20 rai rubber trees

[scrapmetalband]

Does anyone know what 20 rai of rubber trees is worth?I think they are eight years old.

[the dogcatcher]

Depends on alot of fings.
What breed.
Where is it?
Is there a road?
Is there lecky and water.
What's the density of planting?
Is it on a hill?
How big is your willy?
Do the owners know farang are interested?
How desparate are they?
How stupid are they?

Many variables.

[scrapmetalband]

My wifes Thai.She just found out about it today.Shes going to take look at it.Thought I would try to get as much info as I can about rubber trees.The person that owns the land told her that the trees are currently bring 4000 bht per day.My problem is with this I know nothing about this subject.

[the dogcatcher]

1 rai will bring a max of about 400 quid a year before costs. All costs.
400 x 20 is 8000 pound.
Divide by say 300 days is about 25 quid a day.

PM James collister. He has up to date figures.
Also you have to pay wages. That brings it down to 12 quid a day.

[scrapmetalband]

what is a quid?Can we talk baht or usd?I'm an American.

[Red dragon]

a quid is 1 GBP approx 47-50 Baht

[phunphin]

1 rai will bring a max of about 400 quid a year before costs. All costs.
400 x 20 is 8000 pound.
Divide by say 300 days is about 25 quid a day.

PM James collister. He has up to date figures.
Also you have to pay wages. That brings it down to 12 quid a day.

Wages??.... cutters get 40-60% of profits...better off buying palm at the moment.

[scrapmetalband]

A couple of things.How do you make money on palm?Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht for it.Been told by someone that I think knows,that it's an okay price for it.I think they have chanote title.

[phunphin]

Palm can be harvested anytime, unlike rubber that can only be cut in the dry.
also the price is quite good at the moment.
Palm workers are generaly paid a monthly wage , rubber cutters take upto 60% of any money made from the sale of rubber.(usual is 60/40 in favor of the land owner)..

[scrapmetalband]

What do they do to havest palm?Do they cut the trees down or extract something out of the tree?And rubber cutters,what is it that they are cutting,there not cutting down the tree are they?I thought these trees could produce rubber for 20 years or so.And why could'nt I just pay wifes family a decent wage to get this rubber,instead of going for this 60/40 thing.That seems to me to way out of line.

[tsicar]

A couple of things.How do you make money on palm?Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht for it.Been told by someone that I think knows,that it's an okay price for it.I think they have chanote title.

don't know what the rubber trees on it are worth, but that's a hell of a high price for agricultural land.
where i stayed this type of land would go for between 6000 to 15000 thb per rai tops.
check very carefully that the land is chanote title, and that there are no loans registered against the chanotes.

i think you may be better off starting from scratch.

[the dogcatcher]

I think the bank will hold the chanote if there is a ny money outstanding.
In any case it will be on the back of the RED stamped paper I think.
It's gonna take you bloody ages to get your money back.
Non starter for me rubber, well, like this anyway.
As for wages, well how much less than 12 quid a day are you gonna pay?
UPSIDE.
In 20 years time 20 x 80 trees a rai x maybe 40 quid a tree by then will be 64,000 quid in timber.
How much 64k will be worth then is anyones guess.

[superman]

i stayed this type of land would go for between 6000 to 15000 thb per rai tops.

3 years ago Sor Por Kor was fetching about 50,000. Now fetching up to 3 times that, depending on location. It seems that owning land is the way forward.

[Norton]

Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht

150,000 baht per rai very high for agricultural land. I would say anything over 65,000 per rai for a producing plantation would be over priced. Around 55,000 per rai if trees are within a couple years of producing.

[the dogcatcher]

I'd go with that Naughty.
Take this.
1.25 residential around here. 2 mill.

[scrapmetalband]

Again,these trees are eight years old.Property,30 km from rayong.Trees are producing now.I thought price per rai high also.But if chanote is legit,and nothing outstandind on the title.Do you still think this is too high?

[Norton]

Do you still think this is too high?

Thailand Real Estate & Property Guide - Business For Sale Details

Thailand Classified Ads | BahtSOLD.com | 1.500 Rai Rubber Plantation Nong Khai for Sale

[scrapmetalband]

Norton,If the numbers for the Ads are typical,then what I am looking at is good.30 km out of Rayong.Check my my numbers.16872 square yards= 1 rai.1 acre = 208ft x 208ft.theres .39 acre to 1 rai.Theres 20 rai here,thats 7.8 acres.Even if it didnt have a rubber crop on it,you could build 14 houses on more than .5 acres each.

[Norton]

1600 sq meters per rai.

20 rai at 3,000,000 = 150,000 per rai.

37.5 rai at 1,999,000 = 53,307 per rai.
Thailand Real Estate & Property Guide - Business For Sale Details

1,500 rai at 90,000,000 = 60,000 per rai.
Thailand Classified Ads | BahtSOLD.com | 1.500 Rai Rubber Plantation Nong Khai for Sale

16872 square yards= 1 rai.

Should be 1,914 sq yards per rai.

[Happy Dave]

What do they do to havest palm?Do they cut the trees down or extract something out of the tree?And rubber cutters,what is it that they are cutting,there not cutting down the tree are they?I thought these trees could produce rubber for 20 years or so.And why could'nt I just pay wifes family a decent wage to get this rubber,instead of going for this 60/40 thing.That seems to me to way out of line.

No ! Palm tree grows a nut or rather a large bunch of small nuts which are harvested on a 20 day cycle. The nut goes to a mill to be crushed. Present prices are very good and still rising, due to shortage govt is considering importing from Malaysia.
Its about the best farming investment, just a little better than rubber.

[Happy Dave]

A couple of things.How do you make money on palm?Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht for it.Been told by someone that I think knows,that it's an okay price for it.I think they have chanote title.

don't know what the rubber trees on it are worth, but that's a hell of a high price for agricultural land.
where i stayed this type of land would go for between 6000 to 15000 thb per rai tops.
check very carefully that the land is chanote title, and that there are no loans registered against the chanotes.

i think you may be better off starting from scratch.

Depends on where the land is. 100 rai would be worth a lot more in the fertile, high rainfall south, than for example, the dry land of Issaan.

[Happy Dave]

Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht

150,000 baht per rai very high for agricultural land. I would say anything over 65,000 per rai for a producing plantation would be over priced. Around 55,000 per rai if trees are within a couple years of producing.

Rubbish !
Not if the land is in Chumpon-Suratthani-Krabi area.

FOR SALE.
29 Rai with 650 Palms Suratthani-Donsak area, 175,000 baht per rai. ( not bad )

[jamescollister]

Also the owner of the 20 rai wants 3,000,000 baht

150,000 baht per rai very high for agricultural land. I would say anything over 65,000 per rai for a producing plantation would be over priced. Around 55,000 per rai if trees are within a couple years of producing.

Rubbish !
Not if the land is in Chumpon-Suratthani-Krabi area.

FOR SALE.
29 Rai with 650 Palms Suratthani-Donsak area, 175,000 baht per rai. ( not bad )

Even out in remote Issan the Government is buying back rubber land at 100.000 Baht a Rai. Prices in my area are going through the roof, speculators are trying to buy up any thing near a good road. Jim

[good2bhappy]

Depends on where the land is. 100 rai would be worth a lot more in the fertile, high rainfall south, than for example, the dry land of Issaan.

This is critical
Palm maybe good but expensive to set up
needs water and initial high care costs
no sale on the timber at the end of the production cycle