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    Help with my lemon Tree.

    As I am sure you all know no Greek(Hellene) can maintain his/hers Hellenic credentials without growing a Lemon tree.
    PS: for those who do not know, no Greek refers to himself as Greek unless talking to foreigners , the name of the country is Hellas, it's offal name is "the Hellenic republic" and those who are of the ethnicity are called Hellenes. But I digress.
    So in my quest to maintain and cultivate my Hellenicity I planted a Lemon tree in Thailand and I am afraid I an in danger of losing my Greek credentials and be downgrade to a barbarian because my lemon tree is not doing well. Or I think . it's not doing well ,and would appreciate a little help in my quest to achieve full Greekdome (Am I now making up words)?
    anyway it seems to be sprouting new growth, it flowered and I have what I hope will be about a dozen lemons . but the old leaves dont look too good.
    What am I not giving it or perhaps giving it too much?

    PS: there I installed a sprinkler system on that side since my grass was dying during this dry season, and have been watering every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    it's offal name is "the Hellenic republic"


    Just down the road from you in Korat we had three lemon trees a few years ago that continually gave us abundant big juicy lemons for at least two years and then they suddenly died. I can remember counting over 200 lemons on one of the trees and we had so many we didn't know what to do with them... gin and tonics, homemade lemonade, fish and chips, etc etc but I just couldn't use them up. I ended up taking a few carrier bags full to a Swiss restaurant and the owner made us up a batch of Limoncello.

    Since they died I have tried a number of times to plant replacement lemon trees but they never seem to take. We have two at the moment and one has never borne fruit while I picked just three off the other a few weeks ago. They seem to struggle and I have no idea why as they're treated exactly the same as the previous successful trees and are planted in a similar location. Our lime trees on the other hand always do well.

    I hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post


    Just down the road from you in Korat we had three lemon trees a few years ago that continually gave us abundant big juicy lemons for at least two years and then they suddenly died. I can remember counting over 200 lemons on one of the trees and we had so many we didn't know what to do with them... gin and tonics, homemade lemonade, fish and chips, etc etc but I just couldn't use them up. I ended up taking a few carrier bags full to a Swiss restaurant and the owner made us up a batch of Limoncello.

    Since they died I have tried a number of times to plant replacement lemon trees but they never seem to take. We have two at the moment and one has never borne fruit while I picked just three off the other a few weeks ago. They seem to struggle and I have no idea why as they're treated exactly the same as the previous successful trees and are planted in a similar location. Our lime trees on the other hand always do well.

    I hope that helps!
    Perhaps there is something the soil, because the lime trees seem to do fine. And the reason why lemons are so expensive here.
    Back in FL in out first house we had a huge lemon three that like yours would give us dozens of lemons all ay the same time. What I did not give away , I juiced in ice cube trays and once they were ice cubes I froze, and had lemon juice for the whole year.

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    Potash and Epsom salts is what my old man used to feed his lemon trees. Magnesium and nitrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    Potash and Epsom salts is what my old man used to feed his lemon trees. Magnesium and nitrogen.
    Thank you for that suggestion,
    Where do I find these, and how often do I apply them? I did a search on Lazada (Citrus tree fertilizer) and did not find anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I did a search on Lazada (Citrus tree fertilizer) and did not find anything.
    BB,
    I have searched all over for Citrus fertilizer here and it doesn't exist.

    Like you my Meyers lemon tree I snuck over here has produced about 5 lemons so far. Recently I have had many buds but they don't seem to go any further. It's really bizarre. In the US no problem. Lemons and awesome naval oranges by the buckets.

    But new challenges for us here. I will follow this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Thank you for that suggestion,
    Where do I find these, and how often do I apply them? I did a search on Lazada (Citrus tree fertilizer) and did not find anything.
    https://www.hunker.com/12555930/how-...ash-fertilizer

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    Few pics of current tree.





    I have 3 lemons in progress.

    Additional comments, I have been moving this lemon tree all over our property trying to find a suitable place it likes. Some locations in a shaded area it started dying in 3 or 4 days. I had it in a pot but it didn't like that much unlike lime trees, which seem to be fine. I have been working under the premise that like all fruit trees that they need a lot of sun. I took a chance and planted this in the ground. It seems to have caught on and has many new leaves, plenty of flowers and as you can see some Lemons. I have also found that over watering the tree kills them so I let it dry out and wilt a bit. It is on the water cycle now that I use for the lime trees.

    Will see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy View Post
    BB,
    Few pics of current tree.





    I have 3 lemons in progress.

    Additional comments, I have been moving this lemon tree all over our property trying to find a suitable place it likes. Some locations in a shaded area it started dying in 3 or 4 days. I had it in a pot but it didn't like that much unlike lime trees, which seem to be fine. I have been working under the premise that like all fruit trees that they need a lot of sun. I took a chance and planted this in the ground. It seems to have caught on and has many new leaves, plenty of flowers and as you can see some Lemons. I have also found that over watering the tree kills them so I let it dry out and wilt a bit. It is on the water cycle now that I use for the lime trees.

    Will see what happens.
    My tree dont look much different from yours.
    I think that I might have to cover it's base while watering the Grass with the sprinklers . and only allow it to be watered twice a week.

    I seem to remember reading some where that Urinating near it's base is good for for lemon trees , as it changes the acidity of the soil (lemon trees like acidic soil) and provides nitrogen, as well as phosphorous and potassium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Thank you for that suggestion,
    Where do I find these, and how often do I apply them? I did a search on Lazada (Citrus tree fertilizer) and did not find anything.
    Search for potash. If they don't have any, use the ash from your BBQ (If you have one) . Surely they sell Epsom Salts?

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    Missus uses this for most all her fruit trees.

    https://www.lazada.co.th/products/15...572283333.html

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    My understanding is they like fairly well drained soil, don't like their roots crowding by other plants (hence they get planted in containers a lot), don't over water and as has been pointed out as a fruit tree they need more potassium.

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    While lemon trees like plenty of water, they also need good drainage. Yellowing leaves is a sign of too much water around the roots, although it could also be not enough nitrogen. Ideally it would be planted on a mound of earth, or in one of those concrete rings that are often used.
    I doubt you will find a specific citrus fertilizer in Thailand, even on Lazada. If you don’t want to go to the trouble and expense of buying on Amazon try to find a balanced, low strength, slow release fertilizer. Something like NPK 6-6-6 would be ideal, applied 3 times a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    Search for potash. If they don't have any, use the ash from your BBQ (If you have one) . Surely they sell Epsom Salts?
    I have a BBQ that uses Thai coals and produces high quality ash. Hoe much of it do I put and how often. same for Epson salt. I know that too much of anything can be just as bad as not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    While lemon trees like plenty of water, they also need good drainage. Yellowing leaves is a sign of too much water around the roots, although it could also be not enough nitrogen. Ideally it would be planted on a mound of earth, or in one of those concrete rings that are often used.
    I doubt you will find a specific citrus fertilizer in Thailand, even on Lazada. If you don’t want to go to the trouble and expense of buying on Amazon try to find a balanced, low strength, slow release fertilizer. Something like NPK 6-6-6 would be ideal, applied 3 times a year.
    Norton suggested a - Total Nitrogen (N) 15%

    - beneficial phosphorus (P) 15%


    - Soluble Potassium (K) 15%


    - Magnesium (MgO) 0.1%


    - Sulfur (S) 8.3%


    - Boron (B) 0.02%
    From Lazada. do you think that's an adequate balance for citrus ? or too much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    From Lazada. do you think that's an adequate balance for citrus ? or too much?
    We do not have lemons so may be too strong. Found the below on another site.

    "The ideal fertilizer for lemon trees is 6-6-6. You may use a stronger mix if needed but it shouldn't exceed 8-8-8. A good option is the Down to Earth Citrus Mix Fertilizer. Citrus fertilizer will not be suitable for other trees such as apple trees or pear trees."

    Finding it in Thailand may be a problem.
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    I saw a little lemon tree for sale in Homebase the other day.

    I'm no horticulturalist but I'm not fucking stupid enough to think I would be depriving Tesco of lemon curd sales in the UK or Thailand

    They need a Meditteranean climate.

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    I just found this...


    They look like limes to me

    That's the Philippines with your bastardised simplified English again.

    Turtles and tortoise spring to mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Norton suggested a - Total Nitrogen (N) 15%

    - beneficial phosphorus (P) 15%


    - Soluble Potassium (K) 15%


    - Magnesium (MgO) 0.1%


    - Sulfur (S) 8.3%


    - Boron (B) 0.02%
    From Lazada. do you think that's an adequate balance for citrus ? or too much?
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    Your link didn’t work for me, but 15-15-15+TE is a bit on the strong side. The trace elements is a good thing, but you would have to apply that product very thinly, at less than half recommended strength. That’s probably the nearest you will get, I know Osmocote sell a 13-13-13 but I don’t think that has the trace elements.
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    @reg - those are kalamansi fruits (Philippine lime). And Stumpy's pet Monster is a tortoise, not a turtle. That tortoise will probably outlive you. Heck, it will probably outlive all of us! Stumpy said they live until 75 years, and it's only 8 years old now, still a baby!

    Re: lemons (the ones with yellow rind & elongated shape), I've only seen them produced here in PH in the mountains of Sagada & surrounds, which are 1,000+ meters above sea level and has high temps of 25-28 Celsius.

    My mom has lime plants (like the ones used for Pad Thai) and kalamansi plants. Both need to be in sunny areas. AFAIK she doesn't put any fertilizer, but she did use the soil from our dead dog's burial place (after a few months of doggie's decomposition). When she wants to induce flowering, she doesn't water them much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    My mom has lime plants (like the ones used for Pad Thai)
    Here, we can't find proper limes only kalamansi, but lemons are plentiful and very cheap, 100P for 5.

    I would guess too much water is the problem. Think Greece....how much rainfall does Greece have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    Stumpy said they live until 75 years, and it's only 8 years old now, still a baby!
    In their natural habitat...
    Imagine how hot their shells get in 40 degree heat. They prefer like most people, 21-28 degrees...I reckon they wish they WERE fukkin turtles and could take a dip and that Davis will outlive them all and JP's long haired retriever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg Dingle View Post
    In their natural habitat..
    I answered this response in the Day in a life thread to keep this one about Lemon trees..

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    My first thought when seeing your photos was leaf curl fungus. But I don't know if lemons get this. Did it appear after lot of rain? And your response to the curl was to over water. Overwatering will kill the tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Your link didn’t work for me,
    https://teakdoor.com/redirect-to/?re...572283333.html

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