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    Is Roundup the next asbestos?

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    The next asbestos? What do the Monsanto trials mean for the future of Roundup.


    Is Roundup the next asbestos?-6493132-3x2-940x627-jpg
    Protest march against Monsanto in Paris

    It's been touted as the next asbestos and compared to the cover-ups by big tobacco companies last century, but agribusiness giant Monsanto insists Roundup doesn't cause cancer.

    Three US juries disagree, and the company is facing 13,400 plaintiffs who claim the most commonly used herbicide in the world is the reason they have non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

    Key points:

    • Roundup is the most commonly used herbicide in the world and its active ingredient is glyphosate
    • Agribusiness giant Monsanto has lost three trials in the US over links between cancer and glyphosate
    • It's been ordered to pay out billions of dollars in damages to four cancer patients, with thousands more plaintiffs awaiting trial


    It's what's called a mass tort litigation, with lawsuits involving multiple plaintiffs against one defendant, in this case Monsanto, and involves multiple trials in different jurisdictions.

    Unlike a class action, injuries suffered by the plaintiffs in mass torts aren't always the same; they are usually similar but can be wider ranging and individualised.

    In the US, mass torts against pharmaceutical companies are the most common, but other well-known mass torts include cases like asbestos.

    So far Monsanto has been ordered to pay four cancer patients, with the most recent verdict ordering a payout of $US2 billion ($2.89 billion). All the cases are expected to be appealed.

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    And this is the same company that wants the chemical sprayed en-masse on our food crops so that the weeds are suppressed and yields are increased.

    Oh, why don't the plants die along with the weeds? Simples ... the plants, which we were to eat are genetically modified to withstand the powerfull effects of the herbicide.

    Of course, the same company selling you the poison also owns the patent on the GM modified seed stock.

    Fuck that shite.
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    I love this....


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    "Lobbyist" = paid liar.

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    All the cases are expected to be appealed.
    Easier and cheaper to wear down your victims, or play along till they die then offer their nok some token payment without prejudice.

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    Slumbered much too long....

    Whatta shame.

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    I worked on a start up venture with the International Pesticide Center at Oregon State University and one of the biochemists turned me on to this article from NIH. Wheat farmers use glysophate to spur increased growth at the end of the growing cycle to get higher yields. Round Up works in a way that causes increased plant growth which exceeds the ability of the plant so it dies. For wheat yields, that works for yield increases but that glysophate remains in the wheat as it enters the food stream. I started to avoid all wheat products after working with some of those smart dudes at OSU.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/
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    ohfuckthisispartoftheproblemisn'tit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    "Lobbyist" = paid liar.
    Lobbyists, just one of a hundred great things Mellica has brought to the world, and political advisers or are they lobbyists its so confusing to know if business is being paid twice to run the country,.


    We apparently choose parliament to make our decisions for us according to Buttchugger, Teachy et al because its a parliamentary democracy - wankers really

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    I doubt Thai farmers could exist without glysophate. Without it they'd have to weed the fields manually. Production costs would increase and make farming a dead industry. Excuse the pun. I'm against the use of glysophate but it serves a purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Production costs would increase and make farming a dead industry.
    Maybe you should tell the organic farmers that they didn't get your memo.

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    Are you well up on organic farming in Thailand?

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    I spray WD40 on weeds I cannot remove by hand and it really works quickly.

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    What is the point of awarding billions to 1 or 2 individuals who rock up first.

    If there really is a problem then there will be millions of people wanting compo.

    I have been spraying round-up on my legs for 10 years in the course of keeping the jungle in check and Monsanto will be out of business by the time I get non-hodgkins lymphona at this rate.

    So fook these grasping coonts at the front of the queue right off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    I spray WD40 on weeds I cannot remove by hand and it really works quickly.
    Nice one LT.

    Another one to try is salt I heard.

    It is good for pavers since it stay in the cracks and stops the weeds coming back.

    It is quite interesting how it works.

    Plants absorb water through their roots using the root surface is a semi-permeable membrane and the plant fluid contains salts so it absorbs fresh water by osmosis.

    If you salt the earth then the water in the earth is saltier than the water in the plant so reverse osmosis sucks the water in the reverse direction and the plant dies of dehydration.

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    IMHO, one of the best ways to kill weeds ... with steam.

    Chemical free, cost effective.

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    An ex-mate of mine was a groundsman and he said Glyphosate would kill him as it killed so many of his colleagues. They were supposed to wear full protective clothing but if you are spraying in public dressed like that people get upset.

    He's now dead (59) but it could have been the drink or a combination of illness, lack of hope and the booze.

    And yes he used salt on hard areas, paved areas, where plants are not meant to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    What is the point of awarding billions to 1 or 2 individuals who rock up first.

    If there really is a problem then there will be millions of people wanting compo.

    I have been spraying round-up on my legs for 10 years in the course of keeping the jungle in check and Monsanto will be out of business by the time I get non-hodgkins lymphona at this rate.

    So fook these grasping coonts at the front of the queue right off.



    Nice one LT.

    Another one to try is salt I heard.

    It is good for pavers since it stay in the cracks and stops the weeds coming back.

    It is quite interesting how it works.

    Plants absorb water through their roots using the root surface is a semi-permeable membrane and the plant fluid contains salts so it absorbs fresh water by osmosis.

    If you salt the earth then the water in the earth is saltier than the water in the plant so reverse osmosis sucks the water in the reverse direction and the plant dies of dehydration.
    Recipe I use on my patio pavers is 2 cups of epsom salt, 1 cup of vinegar, a bit of dish soap, and about a gallon of water. Takes a few applications but after that, no weeds. Just remember to rinse out the sprayer as it will crust up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    I spray WD40 on weeds I cannot remove by hand and it really works quickly.
    Kero works as well.

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    What kind of residue does it leave in the surrounding soil, I wonder ? And even salt has its limits...you couldn't use too much of it near a veggie patch.

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    Did everyone really think that Roundup was going to be safe? I always go with the if it kills stuff it's bad rule.
    Remember they told the guys during the Vietnam war that agent orange was safe and guys were sloping around in it. And DDT and all the other bad stuff over the years.

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    Yes...I have mentioned elsewhere that I once saw a 19502 film clip of children running through sprayed DDT and the adults not minding...

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    Austria becomes first EU country to ban glyphosate weedkiller

    Austria has voted to ban glyphosate, the main ingredient in Bayer-Monsanto’s notorious Roundup weedkiller, becoming the first EU country to outlaw the chemical, creating a PR disaster for the troubled German company.

    “The scientific evidence of the plant poison’s carcinogenic effect is increasing. It is our responsibility to ban this poison from our environment,” Social Democratic Party leader Pamela Rendi-Wagner said in a statement on Tuesday. The resolution passed with the cooperation of her party, the right-wing Freedom Party and the liberal Neos Party, and remains only to be signed by President Alexander van der Bellen, a former Green Party leader, unless the upper house of parliament objects.

    “We want to be a role model for other countries in the EU and the world,” said Erwin Preiner, another Social Democrat MP who worked on the ban. Austria has embraced organic farming more than any other European country – nearly a quarter of its farmland is organic – and is thus not a major market for glyphosate-based herbicides, using only a few hundred tons per year. While a ban will have minimal direct impact on Bayer’s sales, the optics of the German company’s next-door-neighbor nation exiling its flagship herbicide are likely to cause a few headaches at Bayer HQ.

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    Just ran across some research papers on how glyphosate affects microbes. Pretty scary stuff. Here in the USA, they sell an air freshener called Fabreze which is a biocide and kills all microbes it comes in contact with. Problem is, the human body needs specific microbes to fight off viruses and disease. It has been shown to make people really sick when exposed to normal pathogens. So now glyphosate is being shown to not only be a carcinogen but an unhealthy biocide. Well, at least some are making money on it. Carry on.
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    There is a lot being written these days about the gut-brain connection, and astonishing links are being found. Roundup kills gut flora and that may be one mechanism for its ruining peoples' health. Apart from a slight case of cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    There is a lot being written these days about the gut-brain connection, and astonishing links are being found. Roundup kills gut flora and that may be one mechanism for its ruining peoples' health. Apart from a slight case of cancer.
    Yet another professional opinion from the know all master of free stupid.
    Your diagnosis of my condition in your recent red repo was another example of your flawed intelligence. Stick to what you are good at, wet lettuce and porridge. You might get one right.

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