Green tree pit viper???

**WhiteLotusLane** · 19-06-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by phunphin

pit vipers are nocturnial , unlikely to see one during the day .

Yes, they typically hide in small crevices and coconut husks during the day.

Originally Posted by buad hai

The Banded Krait is definitely one to stay away from....

If you stay away from it you don't know where it goes or hides. I'd say clobber it.

**phunphin** · 19-06-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by buad hai

The Banded Krait is definitely one to stay away from....

we had one at the resort last year, i poked it with a mop ..it didn't budge..then he decides to slither off behind the bar..beautiful snake.

**friscofrankie** · 19-06-2007, 12:46 PM

If found in the wild I'd leave it the hell alone. If found in or around my home? Think I'd go with WLL's approach.

**phunphin** · 19-06-2007, 01:01 PM

well, after watching dozens of programs on snakes, I know they will only bite if cornered or they feel threatened.
The krait is one cool customer and i gave it plenty of respect.
Also it was a rather cool night and he was a big sluggish.

**DrAndy** · 19-06-2007, 02:15 PM

yep, like she said

Wales has snakes CMN, like he said

**Whiteshiva** · 19-06-2007, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

EDIT: although not poisonus, ALL snakes have filthy mouths and require a tetanus shot if bitten.

I didn't even know that snakes could get tetanus......

**El Gibbon** · 19-06-2007, 02:41 PM

Good un... lol

Snakes poisonous

Snakes non-poisonous

For future reference folks.

Yep Phunpin you posted right in front of me.

E. G.

**ota** · 25-06-2007, 01:13 PM

my wifes dad tod me a child at his school had his father killed in the filed by a King Cobra and he helped collect $ for the funeral. This was a few years ago. That said how much does land cost in your area?

**Little Chuchok** · 25-06-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

Good un... lol

this is one fcuker to stay away from.nasty little buggers.Responsible for many,many deaths in asia.

**a. boozer** · 25-06-2007, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by El Gibbon

Hilly
The pics aren't too clear, can you get better ones next time? maybe use the macro function, would help.

Or be brave (unlike me), take the camera yourself and get a bit closer!

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**KevinCorr** · 25-06-2007, 03:50 PM

Long green one was under our bungalow on Phi Phi. On the beams not on the ground. It went up into the wall. Fear. Don't know if it was morbit or not. Made sense though.

"...wonder if the morbid human fear of snakes somehow provides evidence..." of the fact that some snakes are deadly and others just hurt like a bitch when they bite

**Curious George** · 27-06-2007, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by phunphin

...but thai's treat all snakes as dangerous even old people who should know the difference.

Sorry, but I can't agree with that.

BTW Hilly, Nice photo of the Chrysopelea paradisi.

**Curious George** · 27-06-2007, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Still don't know if the snake is dangerous or not...TIT!

I just realized that your question was not adequately answered.

All 'Flying Snakes' (Chrysopelea) are mildly venomous, but are not considered dangerous to man. They have venom glands and grooved fangs in the rear of their jaw.

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-06-2007, 03:12 AM

Another Hillbilly classic! Thank you, HB.
I love snakes. That looks like a green tree snake, but can't really see. Phunphin, that banded krait is lovely -- I thought they slept all day and hunted at night.
I used to go to the snake farm every month to see which snakes were what (pictures are good, but real live specimens are better for identifying later).
Had many cobras in my yard, but the dogs barked them away. Also crashed through the jungle in my flipflops to take the dogs to the river everyday; never had snake probs.
I try not to kill anything; centipedes are the exception if they are in my house.
No snakehead jokes, please.

**DrAndy** · 27-06-2007, 03:39 PM

we have plenty of snakes on our little rice farm; they are beautiful to watch although can be scary if you nearly step on one

the farmers round there just kill them all, and generally eat them

**phunphin** · 27-06-2007, 07:09 PM

yeah..kraits are nocturnal, we happened to disturb one clearing some bamboo, he was well buried.
All the other kraits i've seen at dusk or night time, cobra at all times of the day.
Nothing beats watching snakes in the wild, specially when you come from nz where we don't get em.
I took a group of tourists to some caves near our resort one time, outside we saw a bright green whipsnake and inside , not 1 but 2 cave snakes
they got some very got pic's, and went away happy campers.

Sorry, but I can't agree with that.

generally speaking,, point out a green snake with yellow.brown tail to a thai and he'll tell you its
bad...
both whip snakes and some pit vipers have brown/yellow tail ends.

**Dougal** · 27-06-2007, 08:54 PM

I heard an odd squeaking noise by the bak door last week and after looking around traced it to a smallfrog who was rapidly disappearing down the throat of this snake.

Rushed in to get the camera but by that time the forg was just a bulge in the snake's middle. Any idea what type of snake it is?

**DrAndy** · 27-06-2007, 10:19 PM

it's a cute one

**Jet Gorgon** · 28-06-2007, 06:40 AM

Maybe a small python, Dougal. If the ate the frog whole that is my guess.

**a. boozer** · 28-06-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

it's a cute one

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I am bloody scared of the damned things!

**Curious George** · 30-06-2007, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Dougal

Any idea what type of snake it is?

Since I didn't know, I called upon my Herpetologist friend (author of A Field Guide to the Snakes of South Vietnam) for an ID. He said there is no doubt that it is of the species Rhabdophis. It looks more like the Rhabdophis tigrinus of Japan, but the two subspecies indigenous to Thailand are the Rhabdophis chrysargos and the Rhabdophis subminiatus. My friend said he is 90% sure it is Rhabdophis subminiatus, even though the usually obvious red on the neck is not seen in Dougal's photo. There are so many variations to the color and pattern that the subspecies may be difficult to pin down.

Rhabdophis subminiatus (Red-necked Keelback Snake)
Thai: ngoo lei sam

The average length is approximately 70 cm, but can attain 100+ cm.

Rhabdophis subminiatus is an adaptable snake which is at home in the woods as well as in residential areas and gardens. It prefers life near to water. The snake is active during the day. Their food is made up of frogs, toads and fish. When threatened, it rears the forepart of the body & flattens its neck, showing bright red skin between scales. It usually is reluctant to bite unless seriously molested or restrained.

Like many water snakes (Natricinae), they have ungrooved enlarged rear fangs and have specialized defensive glands on their neck that contain steroidal toxins known as bufadienolides. It is hypothesized that Rhabdophis subminiatus does not synthesize these defensive steroids but instead sequesters the toxins from its prey. It has been demonstrated that the cardiotonic steroids in the nuchal glands of Rhabdophis subminiatus are obtained from dietary toads. This means that the potency of a toxic bite depends upon the geographic variation of available prey.

Some Rhabdophis are made available for sale in the pet trade. It has been reported that a few deaths have occurred by people getting bitten. Sometimes the bite may be almost painless w/ minimal local swelling. Symptoms of envenomation may include local numbness, headache, nausea, & vomiting; in severe cases renal failure has caused human deaths.

**Jet Gorgon** · 30-06-2007, 04:27 AM

Thanks, George. Great info. Never heard of this one before.

**Dougal** · 30-06-2007, 12:10 PM

Thank you very much CG.

**sabang** · 30-06-2007, 12:25 PM

Red-necked Keelback Snake- Yep, had a small one of those in my garden a few months back, and it had a red tinged neck. Maybe eighteen inches long. Unfortunatey killed by the cat. We live right next to water too.

**hillbilly** · 30-06-2007, 02:40 PM

I have several of these red-neck keelback snakes at my place upcountry. The one in the photo above looks like an adult. The juveniles are much more colorful.

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