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    Yesterday locals were asked to attend a meeting that would give them free soy beans for planting. Another round of doing what the government tells you to do.

    When there's a soy bean glut, they'll pass out red bean seeds...this cycle is endless.

    Mostly Monkey see, monkey do farming. BIL paid 50 baht /seedling three years ago for his rubber tree saplings. Hes still dreaming of the big payday. Idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Yesterday locals were asked to attend a meeting that would give them free soy beans for planting. Another round of doing what the government tells you to do.

    When there's a soy bean glut, they'll pass out red bean seeds...this cycle is endless.

    Mostly Monkey see, monkey do farming. BIL paid 50 baht /seedling three years ago for his rubber tree saplings. Hes still dreaming of the big payday. Idiot!
    You would think that some so called educated Farangs would know better ,however-----

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    Pragmatic , I've just had a word with Jan ,she remembers quite vividly were the Govt was handing out free rubber tree seedlings she thinks its about 5 years ago ,one thing she is certain of though is they was giving out free seedlings
    I'm not disbelieving your info Pi it's just that the government said in 2000 that it would clear 2% of Thailands rubber trees every year to reduce over production. It, or the Thai farmer, didn't abide by that, causing the recent over production again. Something is wrong somewhere. Is it the farmers or the governments fault? I personally think the farmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    You would think that some so called educated Farangs would know better ,however
    In my experience those ferangs that get involved are generally those new to the country and get the big ideas from their Thai extended families or GF/wife.

    Life as a poor farmer is simply a different way of life for Thais, neither good nor bad just a life among the other choices for life in Thailand as a poor person. Not to many choices for those poor and lacking real education and a sponsor to achieve a life beyond their humble beginnings.

    Its not like someone's going to take pity on them and hand them the keys to success. Foreigners in some cases believe they are brighter and more able to perform their choices of occupations in Thailand for some reason. The reality is far from that. Farming is not something one can ever make a really good long lasting occupation as there's just to many variables to doing it.

    foreigners have "tunnel vision," imo when getting involved in Thai businesses. There are exceptions to every rule, but those Foreigners who run successful businesses here have mega bucks backing, as well as lots of Thai hi-So backing. They also fail and can be caught up in the mirage of Thai business. California Fitness was one such corrupt foreigner/Thai businesses. Even listed on the Thai stock exchange. High flyer for a while, but in the end all was lost.

    If you invest in Thailand or Thai's then don't expect much of a return other than just survival at best. In semantics that's success Thai style piwanoi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    I personally think the farmer.
    Both, however the market was overdone before and after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    You would think that some so called educated Farangs would know better ,however
    I don't think I'm that well educated, as some farang, but having never farmed before what the fcuk would I want to go into it when I came here? Oh yeah. The missus would want me to bring my assets here. The obvious thing is buy land and farm it to make an income. Thai wife can't lose it all goes in her name. What does she know about farming also? Probably less than me. But that doesn't matter your assets are now in her name. She can't lose.
    By the way, I've never bought land other than the land we live on. My observations above are what I see of all the other farangs that settle here.
    When I first arrived here a guy said to me 'how are you at farming?' It took a while for the penny to drop.
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    # Everyone on here is going on about Thailand and the current problem, re supply and demand. The oversupply is actually not that big this year, maybe very little by year's end, and a huge amount of new rubber has gone in all over SE Asia AND Africa in the last 6-7 years, not just here.
    # Everyone on here is going on about felangs and investing in rubber plantations. If you've got enough of it, there is still money to be made, even at current prices. Poor investment and ideas? When prices were high, i knew personally a mate in Bung Khan pulling in over 200k Baht per fortnight. That was when the £ was still 60-65 to a baht. Money not to be sniffed at...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    Pragmatic , I've just had a word with Jan ,she remembers quite vividly were the Govt was handing out free rubber tree seedlings she thinks its about 5 years ago ,one thing she is certain of though is they was giving out free seedlings
    I'm not disbelieving your info Pi it's just that the government said in 2000 that it would clear 2% of Thailands rubber trees every year to reduce over production. It, or the Thai farmer, didn't abide by that, causing the recent over production again. Something is wrong somewhere. Is it the farmers or the governments fault? I personally think the farmer.
    Maybe a bit of both but its oh so easy to con some one who believes in witch doctors or the occult , and can't even read or write in his own lingo, and who believes that by buying a 200 baht Buddha amulet from some saffron robed parasite it will make them some how immortal when riding a Motor cycle or driving a pickup ain't it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Foreigners in some cases believe they are brighter and more able to perform their choices of occupations in Thailand for some reason.
    . . . and become so entrenched in that belief that they won't take advice from anyone

    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
    If you've got enough of it, there is still money to be made, even at current prices. Poor
    Absolutely. What does it cost a rubber tapper to tap his trees as opposed to just staying at home doing nothing but gamble and drink?

    Latex is produced, tapped and sold. Lower price? So what.

    Logic 101

    China (Chinese businessmen are) is buying rubber . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
    i knew personally a mate in Bung Khan pulling in over 200k Baht per fortnight. That was when the £ was still 60-65 to a baht. Money not to be sniffed at...
    Past tense mate...nothing now...perhaps tits-up now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    Maybe a bit of both but its oh so easy to con some one who believes in witch doctors or the occult , and can't even read or write in his own lingo, and who believes that by buying a 200 baht Buddha amulet from some saffron robed parasite it will make them some how immortal when riding a Motor cycle or driving a pickup ain't it
    I know this is off topic Pi but I thought you'd like it.

    My BiL used to deal in amulets. Anyway, he'd just started doing his stint in the 'Saffron Robe Brigade' and he was doing a deal with this amulet that he believed to be fake. Knowing that I had a gun he wanted to come round to our house, his intention was to place this 'amulet' around a chickens neck and shoot the chicken. If the 'amulet' was genuine the gun would mis-fire etc etc proving it to be a fake.

    So he come round the house, no chicken. Due to having joined the 'SRB' he wasn't allowed to kill an animal. So he got me to just fire straight at the 'amulet'. The gun fired and blew the 'amulet' to pieces. Both he and the seller walked off accepting that the 'amulet' was fake and both went their separate ways. Absolutely true story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    Maybe a bit of both but its oh so easy to con some one who believes in witch doctors or the occult , and can't even read or write in his own lingo, and who believes that by buying a 200 baht Buddha amulet from some saffron robed parasite it will make them some how immortal when riding a Motor cycle or driving a pickup ain't it
    I know this is off topic Pi but I thought you'd like it.

    My BiL used to deal in amulets. Anyway, he'd just started doing his stint in the 'Saffron Robe Brigade' and he was doing a deal with this amulet that he believed to be fake. Knowing that I had a gun he wanted to come round to our house, his intention was to place this 'amulet' around a chickens neck and shoot the chicken. If the 'amulet' was genuine the gun would mis-fire etc etc proving it to be a fake.

    So he come round the house, no chicken. Due to having joined the 'SRB' he wasn't allowed to kill an animal. So he got me to just fire straight at the 'amulet'. The gun fired and blew the 'amulet' to pieces. Both he and the seller walked off accepting that the 'amulet' was fake and both went their separate ways. Absolutely true story.
    There are two big car scrap yards with 15 minutes drive from me , the mangled wrecks are there for all to see , I have yet to see a car or pick up there that it did not have the obvious signs inside that it had not been blessed (for good luck) by the SRP's

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Foreigners in some cases believe they are brighter and more able to perform their choices of occupations in Thailand for some reason.
    . . . and become so entrenched in that belief that they won't take advice from anyone

    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
    If you've got enough of it, there is still money to be made, even at current prices. Poor
    Absolutely. What does it cost a rubber tapper to tap his trees as opposed to just staying at home doing nothing but gamble and drink?

    Latex is produced, tapped and sold. Lower price? So what.

    Logic 101

    China (Chinese businessmen are) is buying rubber . . .
    Probably the common view that Thai tappers/rubber farmers will take, unlike the highly anxious Farang counterpart....
    It's all about perceived lifestyles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Foreigners in some cases believe they are brighter and more able to perform their choices of occupations in Thailand for some reason.
    . . . and become so entrenched in that belief that they won't take advice from anyone

    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
    If you've got enough of it, there is still money to be made, even at current prices. Poor
    Absolutely. What does it cost a rubber tapper to tap his trees as opposed to just staying at home doing nothing but gamble and drink?

    Latex is produced, tapped and sold. Lower price? So what.

    Logic 101

    China (Chinese businessmen are) is buying rubber . . .
    Probably the common view that Thai tappers/rubber farmers will take, unlike the highly anxious Farang counterpart....
    It's all about perceived lifestyles.
    Could well be, but on the other hand as two farang rubber farmers informed tonight in my local , any Kunt can work for nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thaiguzzi
    i knew personally a mate in Bung Khan pulling in over 200k Baht per fortnight. That was when the £ was still 60-65 to a baht. Money not to be sniffed at...
    Past tense mate...nothing now...perhaps tits-up now?
    No. Still going. Still earning. Just less than before.

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    OckerRocker, how about some advice then,
    You posted that you nor your wife were Thai citizens, so how do you manage to own a rubber plantation.

    As I'm always interested in all things rubber, can you post the name and address of your rubber research facility, sure I and others would love to pay a visit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    OckerRocker, how about some advice then,
    You posted that you nor your wife were Thai citizens, so how do you manage to own a rubber plantation.

    As I'm always interested in all things rubber, can you post the name and address of your rubber research facility, sure I and others would love to pay a visit.
    Since when was it any surprise that a foreigner owns something in a foreign country? Ever heard of Singapore, the West Indies even London for that matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    OckerRocker, how about some advice then,
    You posted that you nor your wife were Thai citizens, so how do you manage to own a rubber plantation.

    As I'm always interested in all things rubber, can you post the name and address of your rubber research facility, sure I and others would love to pay a visit.
    Since when was it any surprise that a foreigner owns something in a foreign country? Ever heard of Singapore, the West Indies even London for that matter?
    Non Thais are prohibited from owning land in Thailand, very simple and agriculture is a prohibited occupation here.
    Don't live in Thailand do you.

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    maybe I mis read - but where did he say he owned a rubber plantation in Thai ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    My plantation in Chanthaburi has been converted to d4 with no stimulants, a six-inch panel tap at 220 degrees . . . tapping downward to 4ft from the ground and upward after 4 ft. I've also altered the fertiliser quantities to be used at crosspoints every four months and just to leave the trees alone during wintering.
    Rainy times can be tapped using a skirt.
    Here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    OckerRocker, how about some advice then,
    You posted that you nor your wife were Thai citizens, so how do you manage to own a rubber plantation.

    As I'm always interested in all things rubber, can you post the name and address of your rubber research facility, sure I and others would love to pay a visit.
    Since when was it any surprise that a foreigner owns something in a foreign country? Ever heard of Singapore, the West Indies even London for that matter?
    Yes, but different Countries have different rules regarding foreign ownership .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    I guess this is why the internet is 'useful', one is introduced to people one would usually never spend a minute with.
    We have a winner! Quote of the day! Sorry can't green ya...but very pithy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Originally Posted by OckerRocker My plantation in Chanthaburi has been converted to d4 with no stimulants, a six-inch panel tap at 220 degrees . . . tapping downward to 4ft from the ground and upward after 4 ft. I've also altered the fertiliser quantities to be used at crosspoints every four months and just to leave the trees alone during wintering. Rainy times can be tapped using a skirt.
    I believe this to be the "Royal We", not the ownership we own this or that turn of phrase, but then I've been wrong before, not like some people always right.

    Wasn't he referring to a agricultural test farm in some location that he and wife worked on improving methodology of tapping, processing and growing rubber trees?

    As much as I hate it, I'm going back to the thread and re-read the article OkrRkr posted. I'll get back to you...maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    My father in law has rubber and palmoil plantations in Negeri Sembilan, Perak and Selangor so we studied his methodologies and worked on them. We both quit our jobs and moved to Thailand and built a factory for rubber enhancement and research in Chanthaburi and two sites in Isaan - near Loei - for bio-diesel on a small scale. Community-based, 5k litre max a day transestrification method that involved the whole community.
    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    We worked on a minimal return basis - products going cost plus 10%. Which we used for further testing and development . . . it went ok for a while . . . until the Thai greed entered the room
    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    We also developed a substitute for the nasty acids used for coagulation and sheet making etc....
    Some quotes that lead me to believe that these rubber farms were not their own, but I'll look further for clarification of this point. Perhaps OkrRkr will at some point step in from the veranda and his coctail hour to address this issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    We both quit our jobs and moved to Thailand and built a factory for rubber enhancement and research in Chanthaburi and two sites in Isaan - near Loei - for bio-diesel on a small scale. Community-based, 5k litre max a day transestrification method that involved the whole community.

    Neither of us are Thai,

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