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    Reasons to use Organic Fertilizer

    Over the last month there have been two stories in the news that have shown a strong link between chemical fertilizers and diseases. The first is a study that showed that breast cancer may be caused by high cadmium levels in food Cadmium in Diet May Increase Breast Cancer Risk: MedlinePlus. The second is a report from Ohio State University reporting that some people are have strong allergic reactions to the metal nickel in their foods http://medicalcenter.osu.edu/mediaroom/releases/Pages/Nickel-Food-Allergies.aspx.


    Apparently, the heavy metals arsenic, cadmium, lead, mercury and nickel are all present in fairly large amounts in chemical fertilizers. The amounts that can be applied are regulated by federal and state governments. But, since all these metals are present in small amounts in the environment and it is not clearly understood how the man-made metal compounds build up in the soil or are transferred to our food and water, chemical fertilizer manufacturers can find some scientists willing to state that the fertilizers are safe.


    It takes years for the metals to build up in the soils and migrate from the soil into our food and then accumate in our bodies. I would expect more similar stories over the next decades showing the stupidity of introducing additional heavy metals into our diets.


    Of course, buffalo and chicken manure would make a more sensible fertilizer.
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    ^The stupidity of adding metals has been know and documented for some time. The problem is with Big Pharma and related companies, some of which have the same shareholders that basically don't give a fuck. Look how may ingredients, chemicals and other additives are listed as hazardous by the EPA, yet the government allows them to be added to food.

    The 'Codex Alimentarius' is fooking the food system up intentionally. I have attended a few seminars with the UN for food sustainability, their bullshit is shocking!
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    Yes; the stupidity is staggering.

    I know this will come as a real shock to you, but there is no conspiracy involving the pharmaceutical industry to add cadmium, or arsenic for that matter, to phosphate fertiliser.... There is no need to add it, as its there as a contaminant in the source ores used to make phosphate fertiliser. rather like the mercury contamination found in quite a few organic fish meal

    The real issue is are the limits for dangerous contaminates in fertiliser set at a low enough level...... rather than is it organic organic fertiliser or not? And do our governments need to have surveillance programs in place to monitor the contamination levels in our food, given that some plants, such as tobacco and water hyacinth have remarkable abilities to suck heavy metals out of the soil and water.

    BTW hesus if you are worried out food additives added to food that are listed as hazardous materials by the EPA, can I strongly recommend saying away from food that has any flavour to it. The flavour will almost certainly be derived from essential oils within the ingredients and most of these are unpleasant to surprisingly dangerous in their pure form. anyone who has ever mishandled mustard oil, will know were mustard gas got its name.

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    Stick to shit and it'll stick by you Colonel BS thechicken stuff good Bullshit easily obtained here comes wrapped in P News and via your local TV or Buffalo

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    A study funded by Consumer Reports Magazine found elevated levels of inorganic arsenic in US rice.


    Arsenic in Rice: New Report Finds 'Worrisome Levels' - ABC News


    "The researchers also found geographical distinctions in arsenic levels, with white rice grown in Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, and Texas, containing higher levels than rice samples from other parts of the country. Those four states account for 76 percent of domestic rice produced.
    Inorganic arsenic is considered a level one carcinogen, linked to lung and bladder cancer. Today, the FDA will announce it has concerns about rice and arsenic and is studying the issue, but in the meantime recommends a varied diet." Initial FDA studies confirm the higher arsenic levels.
    "Consumer Reports scientists explain that arsenic is fed to chickens, turkey, and pigs, and their manure is used as fertilizer for rice and other crops."


    The implication is that commercial animal foods contain arsenic, which is then entering the food chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borey the Bald View Post
    Of course, buffalo and chicken manure would make a more sensible fertilizer.
    until rather recently, i would have wholeheartedly agreed on that...

    but not anymore... not at all...

    first, the animal manure attracts all sort of flies and other insects, which put their eggs into the place... its awful, what crawls out of it...
    i made the mistake to fertilize outdoor plants with cowdung fertilizer, and took them inside in winter... geez... and it took me time to figure out it were the plants where all the crap came out of... horror...

    second... animals are fed with all sort of crap, and so is there manure..
    there are a lot of bacteria, which are very harmful for humans, e.g. toxoplasmosis gandi, to be found in animal dung...

    organic fertilizer might have less metal, but so much other negative stuff in it, that i am very wary about it... though, im no expert on the subject, but for what i have read (and experienced with plants), i am done with that sort of fertilizer, completely...

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    ^The usual method is not to use the organic matter in its raw form, but rather to compost it first. Composting can destroy pathogens and unwanted seeds typically found in animal dung, and breaks vegetable matter down so that it is more readily used as fertilizer.

    Another problem with using chemical fertilizers, besides containing unwanted metals, is that they do not contain all the micro-nutrients that healthy plants require. It would be like feeding a child only baby formula, and not providing other nutrients as he gets older. The child would almost certainly end up with chronic medical conditions because of a lack of diversity in the diet.

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    BTB, you are correct, thermophillic or heating stage of composting kills off pathogens in the manure. Naturally occuring microbes decompose organic matter in the present of oxygen, if you boost the population of microbes (bacteria and fungi) then the process gets hotter and is achieved faster. Without oxygen (anaerobic) the organic material can putrify rather than decompose.
    I do not have flies around my compost heaps or my pig sty. Nor do I feed my animals crap! But to add a little fuel for future comment, I do feed them bacteria, it eliminates the smell of their excrement, improves their digestion and their health.
    Organic fertiliser is as must to do with biology as it is nutrient levels.

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    ^^^ Interesting, in what form was the bacteria feed ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    im no expert on the subject, but for what i have read (and experienced with plants), i am done with that sort of fertilizer, completely...
    read the other posts and do it correctly, then you may have no problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    ^^^ Interesting, in what form was the bacteria feed ?
    In the drinking water at a rate of 1 in a 1000. Sometimes in pelleted aquatic plants with rice bran and molasses, when I have to time to make up a batch. The trick there is to limit the pressure and temperature forming the pellets, as they dry our in the sun the bacteria goes dormant.

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    I make my own fertiliser. I would stress some of it (like a lot of commercial so-called organic fertilisers) is not organic entirely. I believe responsible use of chemicals is warranted as is the use of mineral fertilisers. My view "Stay with what organic you can and add only the missing bits for nutrient value needed!"

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    Havent been around here for a while so time for an update. I am now producing organic fertiliser that includes lime, gypsum, dolomite, rock phosphate, potash and vermicompost all combined with the pig manure compost and fermented in probiotic brew with rice bran added. Molasses is used as the binder.
    This is a general fertiliser which has over 80% organic matter included and a healthy microbe population to get things moving. Being organic and pelletised, it acts as a slow release and since the NPK is mineralised there is little loss of nutrients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaanAussie View Post
    Havent been around here for a while so time for an update. I am now producing organic fertiliser that includes lime, gypsum, dolomite, rock phosphate, potash and vermicompost all combined with the pig manure compost and fermented in probiotic brew with rice bran added. Molasses is used as the binder.
    This is a general fertiliser which has over 80% organic matter included and a healthy microbe population to get things moving. Being organic and pelletised, it acts as a slow release and since the NPK is mineralised there is little loss of nutrients.
    Where do you buy gypsum? how much does it cost?

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    I think you should be thankful for the scraps that your duly elected leaders through their God-given rights have allowed you to suck up, you pusillanimous twats. All hail the Red Shield!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaanAussie
    Havent been around here for a while so time for an update. I am now producing organic fertiliser that includes lime, gypsum, dolomite, rock phosphate, potash and vermicompost all combined with the pig manure compost and fermented in probiotic brew with rice bran added. Molasses is used as the binder. This is a general fertiliser which has over 80% organic matter included and a healthy microbe population to get things moving. Being organic and pelletised, it acts as a slow release and since the NPK is mineralised there is little loss of nutrients.
    Nice avatar...a pig with wings...over a recycle symbol...nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    ...and since the NPK is mineralised there is little loss of nutrients.
    The NPK? What the hell is that, expert whatever you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by expattaffy
    Where do you buy gypsum? how much does it cost?
    At the local feed and agricultural supplies store in town. If you cant get it use dolomite instead.

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    You still have to be careful even with the organic stuff. We bought a dozen bags of pig poo mixed with ground up wood waste. Thought that was pretty good until I started finding bits of tile, nails, and what looks like bone in the mulch. I am pretty sure treated wood got thrown in the chipper with everything else so who knows what is in this stuff. Plants seem to be doing okay with it but next time I think we will go directly to the source to see what is going in.
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    we have a local guy who dries out cow manure and mixes it with rice husk and straw

    3 large bags for B100, it works wonders

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    Oh, come on guys, give me a break. Composting is a skill, not a pile of floor sweepings. You seriously want to talk about this, or are you going to buy any old rubbish?

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    A portion of the heavy metal compounds that migrate into the food chain and the ground water is a direct result of the dropping PH value of Rain. A knock on problem cause by Acid rain. When the Rain PH drops below 4.5 (very often below that in places subject to Acid rain) it allows for the heavy metal components normally locked up in soil compounds to leach and move in their elemental forms. Some of these metals travel into uptake by plants, and a other portion moves downward into the water table. A lot of documented research in this area has been discussed by one of the principals behind the origination of the Permaculture movement - Google it and look for the work and lecture series by Bill Molson where this topic is covered in great detail.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaanAussie View Post
    Oh, come on guys, give me a break. Composting is a skill, not a pile of floor sweepings. You seriously want to talk about this, or are you going to buy any old rubbish?
    Not interested in making it myself and a bit hard to get ISO certified poo upcountry!

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    Ithink there is a large "certified" composting business somewhere near you. Also be surprised if you couldnt get some good stuff from the elephant park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakingALife View Post
    A lot of documented research in this area has been discussed by one of the principals behind the origination of the Permaculture movement - Google it and look for the work and lecture series by Bill Molson where this topic is covered in great detail.

    Bill Mollison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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