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    Quote Originally Posted by RDN View Post
    This thread has pretty much confirmed what I always thought I would do if I needed surgery - I'll get a flight home.

    Thai Hospital are the pits ! Unfortunately I had to visit them in December 3x , because of my children. Fortunate that there was no blood involved.
    I always thought about what I would do if my family becomes seriously ill. Would I fly back home or risk it in Thailand? How about Singapore? Has anyone suggestions or experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva View Post
    ...The only difference is that the nurses are prettier here than back home!
    That in itself could be a problem - lying on your back with a tent pole in your trousers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDN
    That in itself could be a problem for you younger guys - lying on your back with a tent pole in your trousers! Us old guys don't get that problem.
    OY, you editing your posts again RDN

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    [quote=HermantheGerman;278312]
    Quote Originally Posted by RDN View Post
    Fortunate that there was no blood involved. I always thought about what I would do if my family becomes seriously ill. Would I fly back home or risk it in Thailand? How about Singapore? Has anyone suggestions or experience.

    The diplomatic staff I know in Bangkok get medivaced to Singapore if it is serious.

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    Hootad very sorry about your loss.

    Very sad story.

    Wondering how is it that she did die so quickly of AIDS ?


    Were there not any signs of the disease in the early stages ?

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    No, no signs. We both went for HIV tests when we were pregnant and we were both negative. Then we she got sick she got sick very quickly, which is what usually happens from a blood-borne infection. Her neck swelled up and we thought it was a thyroid thing or a saliva-gland infection, etc. She didn't want a respirator in the end so she slowly suffocated at 5 am with the hospital not letting us in to see her until after she was dead and the nurses too arsed to bother changing her sheets. At least her Mom was with her; I was only allowed in shortly after she died.

    My son and I were re-tested last year, more than a year after she died and we're both fine, putting the lie to the hospital's suggestion she had been infected during a "window period."

    Haven't heard from them since (Camillian Hospital, that is, on Thong Lor). I can't prove anything, but I think they know now that something went wrong.

    It's now almost 2 1/2 years since she passed away and I've recovered with a nice place for my son and I, so the worst is now over.
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    ^ Really sad to hear this tragic news, Hootad. A webiste would be good -- anyone with the same tragedy could share their views, too.
    Hospitals anywhere scare me. These superbugs and shoddy practises, cut if off or cut it out mentality.
    Your wife's case is especially strange, Hootad. Have you asked a Canadian doctor to review her case file, just to get another opinion? Thing is, he/she would be against publishing that if it went against the Thai doc's opinion. Maybe try the UVic med school.
    For something major like this, always get a second or third opinion; just don't tell the new doc what the previous one said. A friend who just had bypass surgery is getting the major "ignore" treatment from Vancouver docs coz they know his sister works at the Mayo Clinic. Geez.
    Anyway, now, the key thing is that you and your son are healthy. Perhaps time to move on? Lots of life to live.
    Oh, an English friend who has donated blood regularly said he was recently banned from donating in England coz he had just been to Thailand. Ouch.

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    Hospital infections are a leading cause of death these days everywhere in the world, especially MRSA.

    The opinion I got from my doctor was that because neither my son nor myself contracted HIV, and because my wife was not having an affair while nursing my son (I'm SURE about that one), and because both my wife and I tested negative when we were pregnant, then hospital contamination is most likely. When all plausible explanations have been eliminated, and only one explanation exists, then that's the plausible explanation.

    Also a Brother in the Camillian Order admitted to me by email that blood contamination is routine in India, China, and SEA. When I forwarded his email to Camillian, I didn't get any more responses from the Good Brother.

    It happens. And when it does you can't prove anything.

    I never got an opinion from any Thai doctors because when my wife was still alive in the hospital and we explained everything to them none of them could look us in the eye. They would mumble something about "bad luck" and leave the room sharpish. Once Sopine explained to a doctor what happened and even showed him all the test results and he shouted her down. Lucky for him I wasn't there.

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    I can't believe that I missed this thread, I know Hootad Binky has left the forum, but never the less I would like to pay my respect.
    I have similar experience with hiv, not from Thailand but Sri-Lanka.

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    What a tragedy!! My heartfelt condolences, Hootad. If it was me, I would certainly do my utmost to make the hospital pay for this.

    The only good thing is your wife will continue to live through your son. Lovely boy, by the way.

    All the best to both of you for the future.

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    I'm amazed that after living here for so many years I was unaware of this fact (lack of testing for donated blood.) Possibly because I have been lucky and not needed major medical care.

    Good luck HB.

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    Copy of latest letter to Camillian Hospital:

    "Hello,

    Maybe you remember me; my wife died mysteriously of HIV/AIDS in October of 2005 after giving birth to my son 22 months before at Camillian Hospital, Bangkok, even though she was tested as HIV negative when pregnant.


    It is now my determinatin that she was murdered by the then-boyfrtiend of her sister, a Thai-Chinese man named Wichai. He did this by getting someone on the Camillian staff to inject her with HIV-infected blood (or doing it himself with Camillian staff consent) while she was recouperating from Caesarian section. He had many contacts in the healthcare field in Bangkok, and his brother was also a doctor. He had hoped her infection would be blamed on me, and that I and my son would also be infected; however this did not happen. The sicker she became, the happier he was, and he made sure she never received HIV medication while she was in Siriraj Hospital. I also recall my wife mentioning one of the Camillian doctors or nurses, a woman, crying after she gave birth to my son.



    I will continue to publicise Cammilian's role in my wife's murder."

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    That's pretty heavy stuff, HB. Can you give more details of how you determined this ?

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    He had plenty of motive. He hated my wife, because she was trying to set up her sister, his recent ex-girlfriend, with a farang boyfriend. Wichai was an aging, unmarried Thai-Chinese man with no heir. His girlfriend had also caught him cheating. He was desperate. He hated how all the sisters in the fmaily had married farang men, whom he hates, myself included. And injecting someone with HIV-positive blood is the perfect crime; leave a culprit (me) but no fingerprints, and happens a lot more frequently in Thailand than people realise.

    Anyway, the family knows it's him, now. Once my late wife's brothers find out, I don't give him long for this world.

    In any case, Wichai is a dentist, living in Bangkok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky
    In our heart of hearts, can we really trust Thailand in regard to the blood supply?
    Sorry to hear about your loss, Hootad. I had read your thread when you first posted it, but I can not agree with your statement above. Have you forgotten about the scandal with the Canadian Red Cross giving hepatitis- and HIV-infected blood to many patients? The lost alot of face over that and they were too stubborn to apologize or to acknowledge their wrongdoings.

    Canadian Red Cross Pleads Guilty to Distributing HIV-, Hepatitis C-Contaminated Blood in 1980s - The Body

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    sorry to read of your great loss.

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    Ok...he had a motive, and the story fits, but do the family have any evidence ?
    I mean....your wives brothers may kill him for something he actually did not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    Ok...he had a motive, and the story fits, but do the family have any evidence ?
    Yes, could you fill us in on this. This is a whole new story, so it definitely does not tar all Thai hospitals, just a criminal who happened to be able to gain access in a hospital to commit his crime.

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    i remember you from AF. so sorry for your lost; if there is such a thing as karma i hope the scum that did this pay dearly

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    A shame this thread is dormant, because nothing of the OP's narrative adds up.

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