Thread: advice needed to get TIN number

Hello there,

I have the thai nationality, i own a website for Adsense. I need to get a TIN number to Google. I need to go to the tax office. Could you tell what the officer will ask me ? If i don't pay tax to Google, what is the income tax rate here in Thailand ?

Thanks for your help
Cheers

Originally Posted by arisa

what is the income tax rate here in Thailand ?

The Thai Revenue Department website has the income tax rates on it in English. I expect they also have it in Thai if that suits you better.

Personal Income Tax | The Revenue Department (English Site)

thanks !

Is there a more current thread on Thai tax returns?
I already had a TIN from the days when I actually worked for a crust, so I went online and drafted a tax return, declaring all the cash I transferred to myself in 2024 as 'Income'. After allowable deductions the final bill wasn't as bad as I had feared.
However, since I already pay UK tax on my pensions I don't believe I should pay any tax at all here. The form is only in Thai and I rely on my helper to take me through it, she couldn't find a box anywhere to add in the information about overseas taxes. Nor did there seem to be anywhere to declare that in December 2023 my cash in overseas bank was greater than my 2024 transfers, so it wasn't income and shouldn't be subject to any tax at all. IMHO.

My plan now is to go and see the ladies in the Tax Office (last time I saw no male staff) and smile sweetly to see if they have any suggestions.

How are others getting on?

Mods feel free to move this if there is a more appropriate thread. I guess there will be some interest in the topic.

Originally Posted by Shutree

How are others getting on?

I have a TIN from around 2006, but will keep on ignoring it all until I'm arrested.

Originally Posted by Shutree

Is there a more current thread on Thai tax returns?
I already had a TIN from the days when I actually worked for a crust, so I went online and drafted a tax return, declaring all the cash I transferred to myself in 2024 as 'Income'. After allowable deductions the final bill wasn't as bad as I had feared.
However, since I already pay UK tax on my pensions I don't believe I should pay any tax at all here. The form is only in Thai and I rely on my helper to take me through it, she couldn't find a box anywhere to add in the information about overseas taxes. Nor did there seem to be anywhere to declare that in December 2023 my cash in overseas bank was greater than my 2024 transfers, so it wasn't income and shouldn't be subject to any tax at all. IMHO.

My plan now is to go and see the ladies in the Tax Office (last time I saw no male staff) and smile sweetly to see if they have any suggestions.

How are others getting on?

Mods feel free to move this if there is a more appropriate thread. I guess there will be some interest in the topic.

from what I've read elsewhere, the only way to get credit for taxes already paid is to go to a revenue office and use a paper form. And if it was indeed savings then it is non-assessable income so does not need to be declared (?) and therefore no need to file a tax return....but make sure you have records to prove it! Expat Tax Thailand have a new video up, a Q+A with a couple of Thai Revenue officials, where they say that "no income, no tax return' (about halfway through)

The ladies at my local Revenue Office say that as my military pension is not assessable, as long as i stay below the threshold for other income i don't need to file a return. Savings is not assessable either so you should be in the same situation.

It depends if there is an agreement between Thailan and UK on double taxation. If there is no agreement then you pay both sides. If there is an agreement then you get credit for tax already paid in UK.

Google will probably be your friend here as off hand I do not know if there is an agreement in place.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

t depends if there is an agreement between Thailan and UK on double taxation.

there is

https://assets.publishing.service.go...-_in_force.pdf

Originally Posted by Edmond

I have a TIN from around 2006, but will keep on ignoring it all until I'm arrested.

That is one possible strategy and in the current climate of ambiguity it makes as much sense as anything else.

Originally Posted by mikenot

no need to file a tax return....but make sure you have records to prove it!

There's the rub. No written document from the Revenue to confirm this.

Today I went to the RD and spoke to them about my draft tax return. In summary, she asked for my nationality, she consulted a list and said UK was on it so no need to do anything. And if her advice is incorrect, what happens a year or two from now?
I asked if I could submit my draft filing and then get a rebate for 100%, due to my cash here coming from income already taxed in UK. The question seemed to go beyond whatever training they have been given. So, no.
I asked if I could submit a return claiming zero income, which would result in a record of zero Baht to pay. No.
She said I could submit the draft filing and pay the resulting tax, a small but not trivial sum. Then I'd have my record. Unsatisfactory from my point of view.
FWIW, she did say that there is no upper limit on the amount I could bring in without filing a return.

As I see it, my nationality has nothing to do with my initial assessment. Suppose, for example, that I have a UK passport but I have a business in Greece where I make a boatload of money that I send to Thailand. Greece is not on the list of treaty countries. How about a Greek passport holder who has a business in the UK, where his income has already been taxed?

For those people with a pink ID, a usually reliable informant told me that your ID number is also your TIN.

Which is interesting, if you think about it.

I can't confirm that information because I had a TIN before I had a pink ID, so my numbers are different.

Originally Posted by Shutree

For those people with a pink ID, a usually reliable informant told me that your ID number is also your TIN.

Which is interesting, if you think about it.

I can't confirm that information because I had a TIN before I had a pink ID, so my numbers are different.

That's interesting. I have both.

TIN from around 2006.
Pink Thai ID from around 2021.

Both are probably in the same folder/case/box in the bedroom. I might just be interested enough to go and look a bit later.


Edit, sorry, I just actually reread what you said and see that there would be no point in me doing so.