Thread: Abandoning Thai kids

Originally Posted by terry57

My question being, if I as the owner of the usufruct want to sell the house who the fuck would actually want to buy it ?

I'm thinking he just going to sell within his English family or one of his mates, the father stays often Thailand so he would be my first suspect.

If I was this girl I would be telling him to fuk off and just stay put in the house.

That's what I said.

She needs to change the locks and kick him out, end of story.

And on his way out the door hand him a notification off assessment letter from the UK Child Support Agency.

Once again not taking sides here but being in possession of the property is 9/10th's of the law as they say.

She must have family contacts that will support her I imagine ? very rarely will a Farang have a Thai evicted out of a house especially when two kids are involved.

First move is to change the locks and get the filth on side.

I would be playing him at his game but maybe this girl ain't the sort to play hard ball.

If she was a hard ball player he would have no chance of gaining fuk all.

Originally Posted by terry57

My question being, if I as the owner of the usufruct want to sell the house who the fuck would actually want to buy it ?

Wife can cancel it, up to one year after the divorce, or simply contact the tax department, it's a business contract, covered under duel taxation agreements.

She's in the house, without using heavies/force, she has a right to stay.

Strange enough, farang I know, mad as a cut snake, broke up with his wife, 4, 5 months ago, she left, big house just outside her village.
Her family are terrified of him, don't blame them, he won't back down, police involved, of course related to her family.
Local cops, civil matter, take it to court, local bad boys, piss there pants at the though of going at him.
She's back in Pattaya, gonna need a big wad of cash to hire a lawyer, or professional hit.

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Yes well that may work for a while but when the big boys come to play he is down the road huh.

I doubt if selling a home in Thailand is quick, but does your ex-wife have some reason to think it will be quick, Stinky?

And is there anything stopping your ex-wife from renting a home? You say she has a job so she should be able to pay the rent - and perhaps she could persuade her partner to contribute something financially either regularly or in a lump sum in advance.

It seems the relationship has broken down irretrievably so your ex-wife might as well try to make the best of it by some level headed negotiations that will help both her and the kids.

As a final roll of the dice, perhaps your ex-wife can even offer to buy the house (she has a job so she should be able to get a mortgage).

^ I've no idea if he has a quick sale in mind but he's is pushing for her and the kids to get out fast. He has also made it clear that he won't pay anything towards the kids up keep, he's washing his hands of them all.

Originally Posted by terry57

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Yes well that may work for a while but when the big boys come to play he is down the road huh.

This Thais are killers is well over rated, loan sharks don't get topped because some peon owes money.
If you can have someone killed for a few grand, you would borrow big time and have the guy [loan shark] wacked.
Hire some yabba head for cheap, he'll be caught, it's all a story, local legends.
Had a few run inns with the locals, gonna kill you, burn the factory down etc.
Crying like babies when the handcuffs went on.
Same anywhere, risk verses reward, killing a farang is a big risk, life in a shit hole Thai prison for a few Baht, or steal a motorbike or 2, same money.
She wants professional to go at him, she needs big bucks, probably more then the gain and who is the first person the cops will look at.
Her only real choice is the courts and that's not cheap, betting she thinks he will just pack up and leave, lonely life at the end of nowhere etc.

Originally Posted by hazz

unfortunatly thiland is not on the remo list so there is not reciplical arrangment to enforce support orders between thailand and the UK. So its down to thai laws covering unmarried couples... I suspect the outlook in grim.... given that freedom in thailand seems to revolve around the freedom to avoid ones responsibilities and behave like a selfish cnut

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I looked into this years ago, since my (step)daughter never got a single Baht from her biological father (comfortable financially, address known).
Yes, apparently according to Thai law he had to pay child support, but... I was told it wasn't worth the trouble and expense, since it's very difficult and time consuming to enforce payments.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

There's a squatters rights law in Thailand i believe,don't know how it works.

Even better if she's registered for the electoral role on the property, then she'd have a good chance of delaying eviction with lengthy proceedings on his shoulders.

Neverna

out of interest why should the woman negotiate at all he has bore two children by her,its his responsibilty to take care of his children,its already been stated he's doing a runner.?

Originally Posted by Neverna

I doubt if selling a home in Thailand is quick, but does your ex-wife have some reason to think it will be quick, Stinky?

And is there anything stopping your ex-wife from renting a home? You say she has a job so she should be able to pay the rent - and perhaps she could persuade her partner to contribute something financially either regularly or in a lump sum in advance.

It seems the relationship has broken down irretrievably so your ex-wife might as well try to make the best of it by some level headed negotiations that will help both her and the kids.

As a final roll of the dice, perhaps your ex-wife can even offer to buy the house (she has a job so she should be able to get a mortgage).

Originally Posted by Stinky

he's washing his hands of them all.

On reflection, tis a strange thing. I know it does happen, but I just can't help but wonder if there is a bit more to the story.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Stinky

he's washing his hands of them all.

On reflection, tis a strange thing. I know it does happen, but I just can't help but wonder if there is a bit more to the story.

I am certain there is always two sides to every story. However, for the sake of peace tis better to take this thread as it is.

If it is not a legal marriage then it is my understanding the Thai male has no legal obligations or rights under Thai law.
He is not responsible for financial support to the Thai 'wife' and or children of the relationship neither does he have any status as guardian of any children. This all falls to the woman.
I do not see it as any different if a foreigner is in the mix

Not all that up on how thai law regarding child support really works there are you Horatio? Ask jamescollister to rip and post the engrish for you..

It's far from a shoe in for her to get a satang from him in support. Given the rank-n-file thais complete and abject fear (aka; phobia) of anything to do with the court system and/or thai officialdom, I doubt she's gonna ever man up enough to pursue this.

"Happy As Larry" pointed out, simply being listed on the birth certificate doesn't convey ANY parental rights to the father.. I think the pendulum would swing both ways and he'd also not be required to pay anything should he bail, especially so should he bug out of the country entirely..

Dunno, really but I'm sure james does..

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

inform the local cops he going to abandon his kids, there'll sort it out for her.

I doubt that the police would get involved it being a domestic. This is Thailand.

Thai fathers abandon children on a regular basis. I do not believe there is any legal recourse unless they are officially married

Originally Posted by Kurgen

He sounds like a right cnut.

Name and shame him.

Without knowing the whole story yes he does sound like a heartless bastard.

I feel for her mate and hope for the children's sake he comes to his senses.

Maybe report the situation to the British Embassy.

Quite possibly, and if she can proove he is their biological father British law may rule he is legally and financially responsible for the children's upbringing.

Fingers crossed mate.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

On reflection, tis a strange thing. I know it does happen, but I just can't help but wonder if there is a bit more to the story.

I'm not there mate but I'm happy to take it as is, it's been building up for some time and we're in regular communication so I did see the break up coming, I just never expected it to go down like this.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy;3037108[/QUOTE

Without knowing the whole story yes he does sound like a heartless bastard.

I feel for her mate and hope for the children's sake he comes to his senses.

I hope so too mate, I've been where he is so I know that irrationality can overwhelm the senses at first, I can understand that he doesn't her to have anything but focusing on that is stopping him seeing his kids needs.

Daniels does being a wanker come naturally to you,or do you work at it.?

Under Thai law if she goes to the courts the father could have his home seized and sold to pay child support.

We have been making suggestions for her benefit,though as usual you know it all though contradict yourself in your own post.

So come on Toddy give us your professional opinion does she have the law on her side or not.?

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Not all that up on how thai law regarding child support really works there are you Horatio? Ask jamescollister to rip and post the engrish for you..

It's far from a shoe in for her to get a satang from him in support. Given the rank-n-file thais complete and abject fear (aka; phobia) of anything to do with the court system and/or thai officialdom, I doubt she's gonna ever man up enough to pursue this.

"Happy As Larry" pointed out, simply being listed on the birth certificate doesn't convey ANY parental rights to the father.. I think the pendulum would swing both ways and he'd also not be required to pay anything should he bail, especially so should he bug out of the country entirely..

Dunno, really but I'm sure james does..

I don't know if this has already been offered as a resource which may assist.

Thailand Child Support| Child Support Thailand Lawyer| Thai Child Support Law

Thx Larry anything that can help is appreciated

Child Support for Illegitimate Child

When a child is born out of marriage, the biological father of the child is not bound by law to pay for the financial support unless the legitimation of the child in Thailand issue is brought to the court; then the court will decide such issues concerning legitimation, child custody, and child support in the same case.

I Am Residing Aboard And If I Do Not Comply With The Court Order, Will I Be Enforced To Pay For The Child Support?

Yes. If you have the property in Thailand, the court will order to seize your property and have them sold on the auction; then the proceeds from the auction will be paid for the child support. However, if you do not have any property in Thailand, Thai court will work cooperatively with the court where your property is located to seize your property and sell them for the child support payments.

I Denied Paying Child Support In Thailand, And Currently My Property Is Seized By The Court Order, And It Is On The Auction?

To have your property returned, you have to settle the child support payment first, and once the payment is sufficiently paid or settled in writing agreement, the lawyer of your child will file a petition to the court for releasing your property from the auction.

taken from siamlegal

Dunno, really but I'm sure james does..

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Missed that part of my post in your rush to castigate (castrate) me, did you H/H? WOW, you can rip stuff off the inter-web too huh? Givin' james a run for his money are you?

Christ she ain't the first thai woman who got pregnant by a foreigner who then subsequently cut-n-run or bailed out leaving the thai and the kids high and dry.. I doubt she'd even contemplate throwing good money after bad (in thai eyes) pursuing this in the court system..

I think that's bluster ripped off Siam Legal's site where they say they'll work with the courts in the father's country. Either that or it'd cost a chunk of change up front to push thru.

However I do concur, just being on the birth certificate (even if the kids hold passports from his country) ain't enough in the eyes of thai officialdom to make him pay. <- Which is what I thought I mighta said earlier. It'd have to go thru the courts to recognize him as the father with parental rights and thereby the financial responsibilities that might entail.

I dunno either of the people in question from Somchai the Soi Side Ya-Dong seller. I'm just sayin' what I've read, thought and surmised on the subject.

I'll admit it sounds like it's goin' down bad for the kids, but as stinky said this was a while comin'..

It would appear typical thai fashion, no one decided to be proactive about the impending end of the relationship. Instead they waited until it happened and now they're tryin' to pull some knee-jerk reaction outta the hat.

Man you guys are a tough crowd.. You almost hurt my feelings.