Pragmatic, what crime, if you grow forestry certified teak you thin them out after around 5 years.
All lumber can then be shipped and made in to furniture in Thailand, un certified lumber is classed a illegally logged.
Pragmatic, what crime, if you grow forestry certified teak you thin them out after around 5 years.
All lumber can then be shipped and made in to furniture in Thailand, un certified lumber is classed a illegally logged.
By putting the (?) at the end of crime I was trying to be sarcastic. As I wrote earlier i don't think HH has a problem.Originally Posted by jamescollister
One has to take the lawful side of Thailand with a grain of salt.
All regulations can be modified and overlooked, especially if there is gain/profit to be made.
Horatio Hornblower you said that you were going to use those 5 teak trees in your new building. May I ask you when you going to start this build because you will have to season your teak trees for a minimum of 18 month or longer. You said that these trees were big but you did not how old and big they are. To be used in a house build they have to be at least 25 years old otherwise they will not be hard enough and will not have build up enough sap to repel white ants or other insects. If they are much more older they could be much more valuable if you can sell them legally. A Thai person that I use to know (passed away) had about 20 Teak trees on his land and he was going to use them for his house. They were about 60-70 years old. He got offered 55000 baht per tree and walk away with more than 1 million baht. That nearly paid for his whole house 14 years ago.
cheers johpam
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A few years back my wife's brother had 20 rai of teak ready to cut, the process of getting the permits was quite involved pictures of the trees, legal survey of the land, and more that I am not aware of it took several months but I don't remember any waiting after the permits were issued. The other thing is getting someone to cut them if you don't have the permits most tree fallers will not and buying a chainsaw in Thailand requires a permit.
There's a few threads on this. For one https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...-one-in-2.html I belive this law to be history as every fooker that makes charcoal for a living seems to have one.Originally Posted by RPETER65
I think we'll go the Thai way, and get approval first, better for ones wallet.
Same out my way, the chainsaw guys would be on to the forestry soldiers like a shot, after all you would be stealing their income.
Here's the act.
Thailand Electrical Saw Law | Thailand Law Forum
Section 17: Whosoever breaks the rules or does not follow the requirements under Section 4, Paragraph 1 and 4 shall be liable to a punishment of a term of imprisonment not exceeding 5 years, or a fine up to but not over 100,000 baht, or both, and the court can order the confiscation of the chain saw.
Think those little chainsaws under a certain size are exempt, have 2 for cutting wood for the rubber smoker.
Save the trees! The rest of Asia is clear cutting. Safe the Teak!
TOTALLY OFF TOPIC;
I dunno how much faith I'd put in thaimeme's above sweeping statement. It would appear after a brief google that China is sure a contender for suckin' up the most teak in the world.
I was able to glean these tidbits from the inter-web;
"Allegedly plantation grow teak supplies most of the US demand, and there are HUGE teak plantations in India and Indonesia which actually account for close to 78% of all the plantation teak in the WORLD!! However Myanmar is the largest exporter of teak as sawn timber and even then most of that seems to be plantation grown."
Anecdotally; the oldest and biggest teak in the world is in Uttaradit Province, Thailand. It is more than 1,500 years old. The tree is 47 metres tall, and the circumference of the trunk is 10.23 metres. Couldn't find a recent picture though, so it could have gone the way of the Dodo bird or the Thylacine <-(alleged to not be extinct, but evidently pretty rare on the ground)."The great majority of the world’s teak plantations have been established under government planting programmes. The government has had a dominant role in plantation establishment in India, Indonesia, Myanmar and Thailand, countries that account for about 87 percent of the world’s teak plantations. In the future, however, the role of the private sector in plantation establishment in these countries is likely to be significantly greater. For example, the Government of Thailand currently offers subsidies of up to US$780 per hectare for tree planting. This reflects a shift in government policy from direct to indirect involvement in tree planting."
"The main teak-growing countries are Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand. Eighty percent of the world's remaining teak forests lie along the Burmese border with Thailand, where it provides shelter for indigenous tribal people, tigers, Asian elephants, and the rare Sumatra rhinoceros. Illegal cutting is booming in this area - helped along by the Burmese military regime. Much of the timber is smuggled into Thailand (with the help of corrupt Thai politicians and businesspeople) for processing and export, as is the case with timber originating from Laos."
It would also appear from a brief google on the subject that there are viable teak plantations producing salable timber in many Central/South America.
BACK ON TOPIC:
I'd tell the O/P to have his thai significant other get someone to cut 'em down, and then pretend he's just a stupid white buffalo foreigner if anything happens.. Shouldn't be too tough of an acting gig to pull that off.
"Whoever said `Money can`t buy you love or joy` obviously was not making enough money." <- quote by Gene $immon$ of the rock group KISS
Had a guy around this week about trees.
Says he can cut and get permission to fell the trees and log, for 8,000 baht, normally i would go with it, though now because of the present regime, I'm very apprehensive to do.
Yesterday there were 5 government workers who came out and looked at the teak trees next door. My wife said the owner may be selling the land and maybe the government sent out some cronnies to take a look. Either way, the owner is now on the books with regard to how many teak trees he owns and how big they are.
We will see what continues to happen with this great teak scam of Thailand.
Rick they don't have scams in Thailand,they have procedures to follow, the westerners not understand Thainess.
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