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    Pragmatic, what crime, if you grow forestry certified teak you thin them out after around 5 years.
    All lumber can then be shipped and made in to furniture in Thailand, un certified lumber is classed a illegally logged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    . ...where trying to go eco friendly ...
    But want to cut down tress to be Eco friendly Use the shade.

    How long does Teak take to season, before it can be used for construction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Pragmatic, what crime
    By putting the (?) at the end of crime I was trying to be sarcastic. As I wrote earlier i don't think HH has a problem.

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    One has to take the lawful side of Thailand with a grain of salt.
    All regulations can be modified and overlooked, especially if there is gain/profit to be made.

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    Horatio Hornblower you said that you were going to use those 5 teak trees in your new building. May I ask you when you going to start this build because you will have to season your teak trees for a minimum of 18 month or longer. You said that these trees were big but you did not how old and big they are. To be used in a house build they have to be at least 25 years old otherwise they will not be hard enough and will not have build up enough sap to repel white ants or other insects. If they are much more older they could be much more valuable if you can sell them legally. A Thai person that I use to know (passed away) had about 20 Teak trees on his land and he was going to use them for his house. They were about 60-70 years old. He got offered 55000 baht per tree and walk away with more than 1 million baht. That nearly paid for his whole house 14 years ago.
    cheers johpam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    We have a plot of land, that we're going to clear for a new build.

    The land has five big teak trees on, and we have been informed by the local Tree feller, that we have to pay 1,000 baht and local govt official will come along and stamp the tree(s), we then have to wait 1yr and 5 months and then can cut.

    Alternatively we can also pay a sweetener and have the trees cut down quickly.

    Due to the present govt paying the sweetener could it get us into trouble.?

    Anyone know if its 1,000 per tree.?

    Anyone have any experience with cutting Teak.?

    A few years back my wife's brother had 20 rai of teak ready to cut, the process of getting the permits was quite involved pictures of the trees, legal survey of the land, and more that I am not aware of it took several months but I don't remember any waiting after the permits were issued. The other thing is getting someone to cut them if you don't have the permits most tree fallers will not and buying a chainsaw in Thailand requires a permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    buying a chainsaw in Thailand requires a permit.
    There's a few threads on this. For one https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...-one-in-2.html I belive this law to be history as every fooker that makes charcoal for a living seems to have one.

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    I think we'll go the Thai way, and get approval first, better for ones wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    buying a chainsaw in Thailand requires a permit.
    There's a few threads on this. For one https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...-one-in-2.html I belive this law to be history as every fooker that makes charcoal for a living seems to have one.
    Not in our area thereare only two or three according to my wife and they will not cut teakwood without a permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower View Post
    I think we'll go the Thai way, and get approval first, better for ones wallet.
    Go along to get along.
    It's been known to be healthy for the soul, occasionally....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    buying a chainsaw in Thailand requires a permit.
    There's a few threads on this. For one https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...-one-in-2.html I belive this law to be history as every fooker that makes charcoal for a living seems to have one.
    Not in our area thereare only two or three according to my wife and they will not cut teakwood without a permit.
    Same out my way, the chainsaw guys would be on to the forestry soldiers like a shot, after all you would be stealing their income.

    Here's the act.

    Thailand Electrical Saw Law | Thailand Law Forum


    Section 17: Whosoever breaks the rules or does not follow the requirements under Section 4, Paragraph 1 and 4 shall be liable to a punishment of a term of imprisonment not exceeding 5 years, or a fine up to but not over 100,000 baht, or both, and the court can order the confiscation of the chain saw.


    Think those little chainsaws under a certain size are exempt, have 2 for cutting wood for the rubber smoker.

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    Save the trees! The rest of Asia is clear cutting. Safe the Teak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Save the trees! The rest of Asia is clear cutting. Safe the Teak!
    Ironically, it was the West's insatiable appetite and lust towards selected tropical hardwoods [as it still is] that were the cause and effect of Asian deforestation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Save the trees! The rest of Asia is clear cutting. Safe the Teak!
    Ironically, it was the West's insatiable appetite and lust towards selected tropical hardwoods [as it still is] that were the cause and effect of Asian deforestation.
    Nothing to do with China then ?

    When I saw the huge trees cut and loaded in Burma I was told its destination was China. Same in Cambodia and Laos.

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    TOTALLY OFF TOPIC;

    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Ironically, it was the West's insatiable appetite and lust towards selected tropical hardwoods [as it still is] that were the cause and effect of Asian deforestation.
    I dunno how much faith I'd put in thaimeme's above sweeping statement. It would appear after a brief google that China is sure a contender for suckin' up the most teak in the world.

    I was able to glean these tidbits from the inter-web;

    "Allegedly plantation grow teak supplies most of the US demand, and there are HUGE teak plantations in India and Indonesia which actually account for close to 78% of all the plantation teak in the WORLD!! However Myanmar is the largest exporter of teak as sawn timber and even then most of that seems to be plantation grown."

    "The great majority of the world’s teak plantations have been established under government planting programmes. The government has had a dominant role in plantation establishment in India, Indonesia, Myanmar and Thailand, countries that account for about 87 percent of the world’s teak plantations. In the future, however, the role of the private sector in plantation establishment in these countries is likely to be significantly greater. For example, the Government of Thailand currently offers subsidies of up to US$780 per hectare for tree planting. This reflects a shift in government policy from direct to indirect involvement in tree planting."

    "The main teak-growing countries are Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand. Eighty percent of the world's remaining teak forests lie along the Burmese border with Thailand, where it provides shelter for indigenous tribal people, tigers, Asian elephants, and the rare Sumatra rhinoceros. Illegal cutting is booming in this area - helped along by the Burmese military regime. Much of the timber is smuggled into Thailand (with the help of corrupt Thai politicians and businesspeople) for processing and export, as is the case with timber originating from Laos."
    Anecdotally; the oldest and biggest teak in the world is in Uttaradit Province, Thailand. It is more than 1,500 years old. The tree is 47 metres tall, and the circumference of the trunk is 10.23 metres. Couldn't find a recent picture though, so it could have gone the way of the Dodo bird or the Thylacine <-(alleged to not be extinct, but evidently pretty rare on the ground).


    It would also appear from a brief google on the subject that there are viable teak plantations producing salable timber in many Central/South America.

    BACK ON TOPIC:
    I'd tell the O/P to have his thai significant other get someone to cut 'em down, and then pretend he's just a stupid white buffalo foreigner if anything happens.. Shouldn't be too tough of an acting gig to pull that off.
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    Had a guy around this week about trees.

    Says he can cut and get permission to fell the trees and log, for 8,000 baht, normally i would go with it, though now because of the present regime, I'm very apprehensive to do.

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    Not under the present admin of the country,it wouldn't be me anyway that would face the problem, that would go to the wife, though i would have to pay.

    Going by the book presently, stops the problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post
    TOTALLY OFF TOPIC;

    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Ironically, it was the West's insatiable appetite and lust towards selected tropical hardwoods [as it still is] that were the cause and effect of Asian deforestation.
    I dunno how much faith I'd put in thaimeme's above sweeping statement. It would appear after a brief google that China is sure a contender for suckin' up the most teak in the world.

    I was able to glean these tidbits from the inter-web;

    "Allegedly plantation grow teak supplies most of the US demand, and there are HUGE teak plantations in India and Indonesia which actually account for close to 78% of all the plantation teak in the WORLD!! However Myanmar is the largest exporter of teak as sawn timber and even then most of that seems to be plantation grown."

    "The great majority of the world’s teak plantations have been established under government planting programmes. The government has had a dominant role in plantation establishment in India, Indonesia, Myanmar and Thailand, countries that account for about 87 percent of the world’s teak plantations. In the future, however, the role of the private sector in plantation establishment in these countries is likely to be significantly greater. For example, the Government of Thailand currently offers subsidies of up to US$780 per hectare for tree planting. This reflects a shift in government policy from direct to indirect involvement in tree planting."

    "The main teak-growing countries are Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand. Eighty percent of the world's remaining teak forests lie along the Burmese border with Thailand, where it provides shelter for indigenous tribal people, tigers, Asian elephants, and the rare Sumatra rhinoceros. Illegal cutting is booming in this area - helped along by the Burmese military regime. Much of the timber is smuggled into Thailand (with the help of corrupt Thai politicians and businesspeople) for processing and export, as is the case with timber originating from Laos."
    Anecdotally; the oldest and biggest teak in the world is in Uttaradit Province, Thailand. It is more than 1,500 years old. The tree is 47 metres tall, and the circumference of the trunk is 10.23 metres. Couldn't find a recent picture though, so it could have gone the way of the Dodo bird or the Thylacine <-(alleged to not be extinct, but evidently pretty rare on the ground).


    It would also appear from a brief google on the subject that there are viable teak plantations producing salable timber in many Central/South America.

    BACK ON TOPIC:
    I'd tell the O/P to have his thai significant other get someone to cut 'em down, and then pretend he's just a stupid white buffalo foreigner if anything happens.. Shouldn't be too tough of an acting gig to pull that off.

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    Yesterday there were 5 government workers who came out and looked at the teak trees next door. My wife said the owner may be selling the land and maybe the government sent out some cronnies to take a look. Either way, the owner is now on the books with regard to how many teak trees he owns and how big they are.

    We will see what continues to happen with this great teak scam of Thailand.

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    Rick they don't have scams in Thailand,they have procedures to follow, the westerners not understand Thainess.

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