Thread: Visa renewal - another new document needed

So, doing my annual Visa (non-imm) and work permit renewal.

Office staff just handed me another document that needs to be completed as part of the package. The impressively entitled "Notification form for house master, owner, or the possessor of the residence where alien has stayed" (Sic!)

This I apparently need to get completed by my landlady, and submitted together with a copy of the house papers and a copy of her ID.

Oh, what fun this is likely to be.

God only knows if she will hand over any of that stuff.

Its a two page thing, second page is a table for details of the tenent, including "Date of arrival" and "Expire date of stay". What dates that should be, god knows. Arrival in Thailand close on 15 years ago? Arrival since my last trip? The "date of expire" of my stay is in three weeks - which is why I am renewing the bloody visa!!

Another little bit of grit to grind one down.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

FYI; now at Bangkok Immigrations they are handing this form out when you apply for a re-entry permit. You fill it out and give it back to them when they give your passport back with the permit stamped in it. You can download the form off the Immigrations website here; Immigration Division 1 It is the TM.30 - "Notification from for house-master, owner or the possessor of the residence where alien has stayed" They are NOT requiring that you take it back to whoever you rent from and have them fill it out. You use your name and address on everything. I asked why when the form is addressed to the housemaster or owner are foreign renters having to fill it out and the immigrations officer said, "No one does it so we decided to make you do it." Go figure __________________

Happened to me in July going for a reentry permit. I basically did not know what the hell it was. In fact much of it was blank when time to pick up the permit. I sit down and the duty officer, a male helped me fill it it as well. Easy when we are talking wife and you have her business card with you. I finally asked what it was for. He slid over and said "More paperwork".

Hopefully its a one time thing. One question was about "master" of the house. We had a laugh realizing even though as whiteys we cant own a house, but even the Thai men sure as hell are not the masters of their houses here. Palaya bin poochakan baan is always a good one.....

Easy way for them to find out about farangs having houses in dodgy company names. That will be what they come after soon.

Just another excuse to keep all the immigration chickenheads busy - far too many of them paid black money to get their precious jobs and with the rolling out of very very limited technology that decreases the need for all those thousands of lazy unemployable people, they pump out a few more forms and requirements.

Got to look busy of else the employees will be asking for a refund of their bribes after they are made redundant.

"pseudolus" - did you ever watch how many people it takes to process a "re-entry permit" here in Bangkok? Now they are available in ONLY; single entry or multiple entry and are valid for the duration of your extension of stay. Not the trickiest set of criteria even for a thai to figure out...

First you turn in your form and pay your money to one person. Your passport goes to the person sitting behind them for some obscure reason, perhaps a stamp or their initials. Then it hops magically over the wall to the person at the back of the adjoining cubicle for another good while, then it's handed to the front desk of that cubicle so they can do one more mindless thing before they hand it back to you. There are always a good 20-30 numbers between who they're calling to submit an application and who they're calling to pick up their passport. It's bat shit crazy!

It's the most convoulted process I've ever seen,classic thai bureaucracy and "busy work" at it's best!!

Originally Posted by toddaniels

FYI; now at Bangkok Immigrations they are handing this form out when you apply for a re-entry permit. You fill it out and give it back to them when they give your passport back with the permit stamped in it.

You can download the form off the Immigrations website here;
Immigration Division 1
It is the TM.30 - "Notification from for house-master, owner or the possessor of the residence where alien has stayed"

They are NOT requiring that you take it back to whoever you rent from and have them fill it out. You use your name and address on everything.

Bugger. My company is insisting we do it properly, and get the landlady/lord to do, plus as said, ID and house papers.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

"pseudolus" - did you ever watch how many people it takes to process a "re-entry permit" here in Bangkok? Now they are available in ONLY; single entry or multiple entry and are valid for the duration of your extension of stay. Not the trickiest set of criteria even for a thai to figure out...

First you turn in your form and pay your money to one person. Your passport goes to the person sitting behind them for some obscure reason, perhaps a stamp or their initials. Then it hops magically over the wall to the person at the back of the adjoining cubicle for another good while, then it's handed to the front desk of that cubicle so they can do one more mindless thing before they hand it back to you. There are always a good 20-30 numbers between who they're calling to submit an application and who they're calling to pick up their passport. It's bat shit crazy!

It's the most convoulted process I've ever seen,classic thai bureaucracy and "busy work" at it's best!!

Indeed - and the very process is only in place to justify all these ridiculous jobs. Just a joke.

Just an FYI; usually you can fill out a form at the immigrations office you go to for extensions of stay and they will send you a letter stating you live where you live.

I think in Bangkok it costs 200 baht to have it sent to you, even though the last one I got had only about 20 baht postage on it.

That was a very shrewd move "Albert Shagnastier", giving him the form without having to pay the embassy fee to get it stamped as "official"...

Oh I forgot to say;
IF you fill out that TM.30 form here in Bangkok; fer-fox-sake staple that b/s "receipt of notification" into your passport!

Otherwise you'll hafta fill out the form again, even though the info is in their computer already.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

FYI; now at Bangkok Immigrations they are handing this form out when you apply for a re-entry permit. It is the TM.30 - "Notification from for house-master, owner or the possessor of the residence where alien has stayed"

BREAKING NEWS; Thai Immigrations at Chaengwattana have now STOPPED handing out the TM.30 Form to every Tom, Dick & Somchai applying for a re-entry permit.

I showed up today with an acquaintance and when we applied for his multiple re-entry permit they didn't give him the form, NOR did they take the one I'd already filled out for him before we went out there either.

I went into a cubicle, asked one of the staff why they stopped requiring people to do the TM.30 form. He said no one could fill it out right and it was causing problems in the line.

Now on the oft chance you WANT to fill out/turn in that form seeing as it's free to do it, (just so you can have the receipt and never be bothered ever again by it). Download it, fill it out and turn it into the guy sitting in section J-1 (coincidentally right next to J-2). He'll be more than happy to take it, enter your data and give your the bottom receipt part of the form.

That form had to be the daftest thing immigration have handed out for quite a while. Made no sense whatsoever and was in fact designed for someone else to complete other than a farang applicant. What made it so stupid was the info they wanted had already been given to them in the completed extension form.

^
Make work, job security, new administration scrutiny, the ministries effectiveness measured by the amount of paperwork they produce. See boss, we do our job.

They have their finger on the pulse of Thailand.

Honestly, that was possibly the most fucked up form Immigrations ever handed foreigners to fill out.. The only "catch all" for that form was the word "possessor" of the place, which is why they thought they could give it to us.

Coincidentally or not, that guy in section J-1 had a pile of those forms which were already filled out and he had to enter into his computer. Now normally that guy does fuck all except run herd over the wing-nutz in section J-2 (who do tourist visa extensions, residence certificates and I think correct errant entry stamps).

By that, I mean he had a FUCKING PILE sitting on his desk which was easily over a foot high and he had more in a box at his feet! I didn't ask him if those were done already or waiting to be done..

He was NOT a happy camper, and actually had a moto-cy taxi driver from outside sitting in the chair helping him stamp them all!!