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    Sorry JJ, my mistake, and I haven't even had a drink!!!!!
    Okay genghis61, over to you...............

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    Ghenghis,
    It's a nice looking house, that in my opinion wants treating sympathetically. Something that has stood the test of forty years might not look so good with too many modern additions, essentials like electrical upgrades excepted. But as ever, "you pay your money, you make your choice"!
    Good luck with this project of yours, look forward to the updates to follow.


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    we are living in a similar house in CM city at the moment

    a modern kitchen and bathroom make it excellent, and the bamboo walls make it clean and light

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    Sheet the roof with a cream coloured steel sheeting(cream, not white gives best reflectivity.).
    Put 50mm fibreglass plus silver paper beneath sheeting-anticon in australia.
    Fix a 50mm metal top hat section to the framing inside and fill void with 50mm fibreglass and then drywall.
    Ceiling can be on the rake or better suspended drywall with another 50mm of fibreglass on top.
    All services can be run first and you will have a much more efficient house for bugger all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
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    ... agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
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    just cladding the roof beams
    Essentially what I am suggesting but mean cladding the roof rafters. End up with ceiling same slope as roof but have small space for wiring and overhead lights and fans.
    Agree on this one - don't want to bring it down to a horizontal ceiling that would be too far out of character; aim is to block out view of the underneath of that roof.

    Re: electricity. will get it all wired before any other work starts, ceiling wires will be obscured by whatever cladding we use there, light switches/hot points will do the best I can to make wiring 'discreet'. If I line the main bedroom walls fully and the bedroom opposite also - its three interior walls can have wiring in them thet run to the switches in that room, and the adjoining rooms on 3 sides

    keep those suggestions coming, very useful, and have been looking at other peoples threads in the building for ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
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    Why are you assuming that it is blue asbestos ?
    Most likely it is not asbestos, but kind of a short fibered stuff. on most houses in the lower priced places.
    Good point; it was just a guess. It looks in good condition ie never needed reapir, and no leaks (ideal for a roof!) I just remember similar looking roofs in NZ/Oz being referred to as 'asbestos roofing'. Need to go back and have a better look; preference, rather than replace, would be to spray seal inside and paint exterior side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaiyenyen View Post
    That's a nice looking house JJ. I'm looking forward to seeing you make the improvements as it's something I'd like to do in the future, with a similar type of property.
    Can I ask how much it was, and what you think the refurb costs will be?
    house cost - nil - in GF's name since father died long time ago, farm was split into even shares bewtween the children. Currently occupied by niece/2 kids. Let's just say i won't go totally beserk in spending.
    I'll be keeping records of all expenses - though labour won't be too high I can do a lot of it myself, and have a 'deal' with the brother-in-law about working on each other's property as required, will be handy when ot comes to wallboards/ceilings etc and he has a good range of power tools.
    He's doing an upgrade a bit further down the road, here's a pic of his place. It had been lower than 'ours' so they had it raised and blocked around underneath, gives him a good garage area and has a secure workshop and motorbike storage area at the back 1/3, also added the bit on the side for his beloved tractor.
    Needs to finish his 'test' re-staining on the front corner area or it'll show up as a different shade when he does the rest. I'd like to try for a lighter shade, more golden tones than the one he's chosen.




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    Quote Originally Posted by a. boozer View Post
    Ghenghis,
    It's a nice looking house, that in my opinion wants treating sympathetically. Something that has stood the test of forty years might not look so good with too many modern additions, essentials like electrical upgrades excepted. But as ever, "you pay your money, you make your choice"!
    Good luck with this project of yours, look forward to the updates to follow.

    I won't go crazy re re-styling; aim is to make it more functional, the two main bedrooms I'll line fully for a few reasons, soundproofing (!), the main living area I want to keep the original 'look'. We're lucky to have a good supply of matching timber - nicely stacked under the house are some planks maybe 4m long of the flooring all neatly spaced/stacked, approx 40cm wide and 30mm thick, would like to get some interior furniture - shelves/bookcase/computer table made from this rather than introduce anything trendy/stainless steel to the interior.
    Any suggested alterations will be subject to approval from the 'committee' - if she says ok . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    Needs to finish his 'test' re-staining on the front corner area or it'll show up as a different shade when he does the rest. I'd like to try for a lighter shade, more golden tones than the one he's chosen.
    I'd sand it back and oil it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a. boozer View Post
    Ghenghis,

    But as ever, "you pay your money, you make your choice"!

    Funny thing, I pay my money, make my choice, Mrs CQF then talks to "chaang" and we get what he and his accomplices think we need and are able to do. Some are fantastic, for example an electrician, and the builder of most of the house until he walked off the job and took all his tools, but sent his cousins to offer to be chaang fai (electrician), chaang taam sii (painter), chaang maai (carpenter), chaang naam (plumber): I have my doubts about all of these except the electrician; time will tell. Chaang might mean expert, but the last carpenters were wood butchers and left many "ventilation gaps"

    I am learning patience and how to be sabaai sabaai, I have never been so relaxed! There is no alternative.

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    meanwhile - back to the house in 2 weeks we'll hopefully get exterior stain finished and a start on the b-in-law's place; i cleverly negotiated that we do 'our' place first on a shared-labour basis, thought he may lose enthusism if we finished his first.

    Give me a chance to get accurate measurements and some planning for the electrics etc. Need to do some serious thinking about kitchen, there are some good thread here I'm scaveniging other people's ideas for future use.
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    been unable to upload pics due to slow internet. this time maybe


    below - not such a good pic, isn't this dark

    I got right round the house with a coat of stain - apart from the ? bargeboards.
    Story re the ladder. i just expected a farm to have a ladder. But no, none of the neighbours either, b-in-law made one for me from fresh-cut eucalyptus. Out of interest, weighed it - 62kg. Bastard of a thing to move around the house but solid enough. Will be lighter in April when I'm back. Game him clear height requirements, but he decided to knock about 1.5m off having looked at my calculations and my almost 1.9m height - not realising I cannot stand on the top rung of a ladder. So a few high bits to do next time.

    Used Beger brand stain. Wood just soaked it up was so dry and a long time since it had seen any paint/stain. What surprised me was that there are clearly two, maybe three, types of wood used - a lighter one for doors and shutters that took on quite a gold glow after the stain. Worked 8.30 to around 12.30 for 5 days, slow as I took the time to do small repairs to the timber as i went along. Before #2 coat want to work on all the shutters and the 3 exterior doors get them opening/closing properly.




    This last pic is of a nearby house - owner not to be found we went three times, want to see inside - I like the style and wonder if it's a 'kit house' or was built to their own design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
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    My issue with these old houses is they have too much wood inside.
    yes, that's why I suggested bamboo sheets, they lighten the look and suit the wood

    "cool eye" as they say
    I realize this is personal, but I don't like the stuff. I associate it with ultra cheap guesthouse rooms and the stuff warps and gets moldy. Don't let that stop anyone from using it, but I'd personally rather not clad an already perfectly fine looking wooden wall, or open roof structure. or if I had to because the roofing material is that horrible gray corrugated stuff, then I'd opt for thin wood sheeting of some kind.

    For my wooden dream-house in the (far) distant future, I've been toying with the idea to have it look utterly traditional on the outside, but modern/trendy on the inside.. So for the interior I might use any light and even material on the walls and then paint it off-white or cream or something else you wouldn't expect the interior of a wooden house to look like. Interior 'furniture' (and I use the term loosely) would also be modern and unexpected, same for the sound system and lighting.

    Would be even better if I could do both.. Both a traditional interior look, (plain wood walls without covering), hang typical Thai stuff on the walls, the ubiquitous Thai calendar, etc. But then be able to pull down blinds, shades, etc to transform into a more modern and clean look.. Anyway, like I said: dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteLotusLane View Post
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    For my wooden dream-house in the (far) distant future, I've been toying with the idea to have it look utterly traditional on the outside, but modern/trendy on the inside..
    that last pic - the 'traditional looking' one is my ideal and am so keen to view the interior. At a later stage I'll surely build my own and this house really appeals, much prefer wood to concrete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    wonder if it's a 'kit house'
    Doesn't look like a kit house but hard to tell with only the one view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Doesn't look like a kit house but hard to tell with only the one view.
    I think it is.

    A kit/prefab job.

    Happy to be wrong though.

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    What's the difference, though? It's not like all kit houses come out of a factory and are completely uniform? I'm sure there's some overlap, where people/companies make houses off-site and sell them including transportation and construction. Even so those can just as easily be made to order?
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    well we're back
    my other thread re our burglary 2dys pre departure rom Phuket back to Sa Kaeo has upset my plans, we delayed our moving in futile hope that som/all of our items may have been recovered, but no such luck . . . then couldn't get away due to Songkran and all transport being booked.
    So thanks to the friends of friends in Phuket who helped us out - the offer of an apartment at Karon Beach was much appreciated - as were the beers, thanks!
    Some good news - when we made it to Sa Kaeo we checked at Post Office re progress on 5 cartons and my triathlon bike we'd sent pre-burglary - and they had them all there waiting for us, PO must have had a real burst of activity to get freght moved pre-Songkran we'd been told 14-21 days and didn't expect less than seven. And this morning had a call saying the motorbike had arrived, a full week earlier than expected so can collect that tomorow.

    Back to the house, first task is to finish the exterior painting/staining. I've resolved not to have too many projects on the go at once - a habit I need to break.

    we had some very heavy rainfall 14 and 15 April, house is entirely weatherproof not a hint of a leak; opportunity to see what happens outside and the section drainage is poor, very quickly turns to a mudbath with a (OK I exagerate) small stream running past one side of he house. Need to sit and think about this, don't want to cure one problem just to divert it elsewhwere.

    Annoying things - having so carefully cleaned, sorted, packed away my paint gear/tools last time Feb) return to find my 'store' pillaged', of course no one has any idea.

    Finding this persistent noseying to be an irritation. Between getting soaked with water an drinking cheap whisky in last few days I've stripped and rebuilt two childrens bicycles, complete dismantle, re-spray frames, repair as required. I cannot go for a pee without someone taking my seat and deciding to tinker. Or 'borrow' a spanner, for no reason other than I have one and they don't. Only way has been to keep my tools in our bedroom and only have just what i need outside with me at any one time or it will walk. A good warning I suppose for when I have proper building tools on ste.

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    get a decent toolbox, cupboard and fit a good lock

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    get a decent toolbox, cupboard and fit a good lock
    A sound idea.

    First thing we're putting up is a new, lockable shed. There'll only be one key.

    A bloke needs a shed.

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    my "shed" is under the ricebarn and totally open, but I have a lockable cupboard and a box

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    Cool concrete questions - help req'd

    hi
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    had quote yesterday for concreting the entire area under the house
    question is - thickness?
    half of it I want strong enough to support a vehicle, other half to be closed in as workshop/study/hideaway.
    My suggestion was 100mm/4" for car area, 50mm/2" for the room, of course Mr Builder said this was 'too much'.
    Can't see why he disputes, his job is to do the excavating/boxing/levelling gf is paying for the concrete truck directly.
    For the car area - is reinforcing mesh necessary (he said no) I have no idea.
    thanks in advance!

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    Your guages seem fine (4" and 2") and tell him to put light guage Reo mesh across the entire area to be concreted and make sure he adds expansion joints to prevent cracks later on down the line.

    What you have to worry about now is levels and make sure he allows for water run-off away from the centre of you slab.

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    If you make sure that the material underneath the concrete is properly compacted then everything should be fine (as per previous posters advice).
    However if there is a possibility that the material underneath can or will subside over time then you should make sure you add the steel reinforcement to provide some tensile strength which helps prevent "bending" which in turns produces cracks. Also if you plan on using CPac ask for "floor" concrete. I asked my wife to use 25MPa strength concrete and she informed that I was mad as in Thailand you either got floor or wall concrete.

    When my wife was putting down the floor in my shed I wanted 150mm with good reobar steel reinforcing as I intend to drive a tractor over it. When she started to dig out the floor down to the level of the side beams, they couldn't dig it out with a hand hoe and got a tractor in to loosen it up and it struggled. So in the end concrete was at best 100mm thick with thin mesh steel as reinforcing. I believe it will be OK simply because of the material underneath is so settled and hard.

    The other comment is about your tools. Someone on here (Tsicar I think) made mention of how he always lent his tools to the locals but what he lent were the F**ked ones they had returned previously. So maybe you need a set which is crap and then they will not borrow anymore as they know you only have ratshit tools.

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