Thread: Anyone have sample construction contracts?

mr ree have u changed your nick from wanna?. cant understand why your asking about a builders profit, in another thread. if your having a house built,small job, a contract isnt worth the paper its written on, you need inteligent supervision not a contract, of course if u pay the earth for your job then u may get a contract, but probably still worthless. TIT

lob, whilct i agree that a contract may not hold as much weight as it does in other countries, it does have some good reasons to have one.
1. stage payments, these ensure the builder is not paid too much in one go, keeping him on the job a little longer.
2.completion date, this gives a general guideline to all as to how long the job should take.
3. liability, this details exactlty what the owner and builder are to supply for the job.preventing delays

although these items are often broken, just to get the job done. they do act as references and hold some weight.

Originally Posted by lob

If your having a house built,small job, a contract isnt worth the paper its written on, you need inteligent supervision not a contract, of course if u pay the earth for your job then u may get a contract, but probably still worthless. TIT

Good points, I'd imagine a lot of reputable builders would be busy and not have extra time for writing or even reading contracts, especially if some were written in English.

If you are using anyone who has very good English, they are probably expensive. Few Thais speak decent English, those that can usually charge more/are better paid.

Supervision is the answer, however owners are often in different cities or countries, so self supervision may not be an option. Paying someone to supervise would be expensive and still no gaurantee.

Originally Posted by splitlid

lob, whilct i agree that a contract may not hold as much weight as it does in other countries, it does have some good reasons to have one.
1. stage payments, these ensure the builder is not paid too much in one go, keeping him on the job a little longer.
2.completion date, this gives a general guideline to all as to how long the job should take.
3. liability, this details exactlty what the owner and builder are to supply for the job.preventing delays

although these items are often broken, just to get the job done. they do act as references and hold some weight.

ive always been on site with my builds so supervision covers all the above, and on paper worthless i fear, if it makes you feel secure go for it, ever heard these contracts challenged, used two different builders and both good lads. one i gave him the cash for materials as required the other he ordered and cash on delivery, over four jobs. never any probs apart from not compacting the soil to my likeing, and the plumber was shit, threw him off site, on one job. must say the tileing is as good as you get, strange they can do that with no training, and the plastering is amazing all by eye. sorry i digress.

although these items are often broken, just to get the job done. they do act as references and hold some weight.[/quote]


yes paper weight.lol.

Originally Posted by splitlid

lob, whilct i agree that a contract may not hold as much weight as it does in other countries, it does have some good reasons to have one.
1. stage payments, these ensure the builder is not paid too much in one go, keeping him on the job a little longer.
2.completion date, this gives a general guideline to all as to how long the job should take.
3. liability, this details exactlty what the owner and builder are to supply for the job.preventing delays

although these items are often broken, just to get the job done. they do act as references and hold some weight.

Agree with all your points and I think the 3 rd one is the most important : to make things clear. A lot of problem are based on misunderstanding ... "but I thought you thought ..." and also to prevent memory loss , especially when asking for modification.

Originally Posted by Smithson

There's an awful long list ppl being generated here, I reckon a reputable builder would work away due to the bookwork and overly suspicious customer - remember chances are even in hard times, a good builder still has work.

Having 'fines and penalties' for missing deadline would be enough to scare them away. The country is unreliable, missing a deadline is likely to be due to factors out of the builders control.

The agreement contract is between you and your builder...many times with the bank also.

What may seem silly for you may not seem silly for others.
I just throw everything in like a fruitecake, what I had when my family had the house built couple years ago,...those were on the list.

I don't know where do you all trying to build, but believe it or not...my example is between thai-thai+thai bank....in bkk
worked fine, no major problem.....this was about 10 years ago.
....but of course we weren't trying to build a shack.

mc

Mooncake,

I agree with everything you have stated, but I would like to ask how would you enforce the conditions of the contract between Thai builder and Farang paying cash staged payments?
What if it comes down to the final 5% stage payment and a major f**k up is discovered. How would you stop him running away and fix the problems? Many farang don't supervise the construction because they are not in country and only really inspect at the completion, no way I would but it has happened.

^ Thanks for the info. Could you let us know roughly what the size of the house or prices, something to help put things in perspective.

A lot of ppl are building places in Isaan, I'd imagine the process to be different there. On a small job so much paperwork would add to the costs considerably and is still no guarantee.

Originally Posted by skidley

Mooncake,

I agree with everything you have stated, but I would like to ask how would you enforce the conditions of the contract between Thai builder and Farang paying cash staged payments?
Like I said, scope of work for the specific draw should be detailed in the contract!!!
Do not ever have a weak knees!
Do not pay when the works is not performed/completed….simple as that

What if it comes down to the final 5% stage payment and a major f**k up is discovered. How would you stop him running away and fix the problems?
You can’t stop them from running away, but you can take them to court later on. That’s why you got to take time finding the reputable ones and visit the on going project they might have, establish your standard what is acceptable but you got to know if your builder is capable nor not, ask many questions …etcs.
Many people think it’s would be a walk in the park to have it built,…. just because you have the money it doesn’t mean “miracle” will happen.

Don’t always blame others for your own mishaps and downfalls, you’re a part of the problem too….my thought here



[color="Yellow"]Many farang don't supervise the construction because they are not in country and only really inspect at the completion, no way I would but it has happened.

Not only they don’t supervise, but many times they do not even have the knowledge in the construction or armed themselves prior ….that’s where most of the problems stem from.
again.... Don’t always blame others for your own mishaps and downfalls, you’re a part of the problem too….my thought here

In the construction business, dog eats dog….and you trust “no body”!…until the project completed.
If you don’t know what you are doing, the contractor will pick pocket you dried

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