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Here are a few pool enclosure on track ideas.
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However I would want to all roll back to one end. The other end would have chairs and BBQ pit etc. I would want it all open air as well so do slats of wood. This would diffuse the sun but still let it in. No glass or plastic.
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Still in sulk mode after Tukcom, will try next week.
Well back to the pool build being I have had time to do some more work and research on it. I am getting close to retiring .... again. I guess the first 2 times could be considered test retirements. I enjoyed both quite a lot and was busier retired then I was at work. anyway I had put a pool build off as I knew there was no way my wife or my FIL would have any clue how to keep it up and I wasn't going to hire a gardener pool guy as I like to do my own up keep. I will likely start a pool build thread if and when I can get it started.
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Pool location. Its really dead space that grows grass during rainy season that I have to mow then turns into a desert during summer. This side gets morning but the house will offer some shade for part of it in the afternoon
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After browsing multiple sites and designs we have decided on this simple design style. I want the stairs to be off to the side so I can swim laps.
Current proposed dimensions will be
10 to 12 m long
4 to 5 m wide.
1.5 m deep at the stair end
3 to 3.5 m at the other end.
I grew diving and like a deep end to play. I do not have children so I am not worried about people drowning albeit my FIL can't swim so he will not go near it anyway.
My other post in this thread showing a nice sliding cover will not be part of the plan. So it will be open but I will have a pool covered area at one end and one side so we can get out of the sun. While I would like to use wood, It wouldn't last long so cement pillars and some roof cover using the same tiles to match the house. We have quite a few left over from our house and car park build.
Originally I wanted to move the BBQ pit near the pool however my wife likes it by the kitchen. However her trade off was I can add a wet bar by the pool which I like WAY better.:smileylaughing:
Now comes the question of cost. From research I have done over the past few months the Pool cost can range anywhere from 500k (Low end quality I suspect) to 1m baht (Not including all the other features I mentioned). Clearly that cost range will be based on who builds it and the quality and design. My wife's cousin who lives in CM has contacts for pool builders that build them for hotels and resorts as she is the property manager. So this may work out to find a reputable business. We have to wait until the lock down is lifted before we can get any estimates.
Now I need to come up with my retirement date. :)
3rd time lucky :) make sure its Tortoise proof, they don't swim well.
Yeah...thats what I am thinking, the 3rd time is the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by NamPikToot
Yes Tortoises sink like rocks...:)
BTW, had 7 more hatch today. Have a total of 18 of the little ping pong balls running around. My niece takes them on early morning walks on the grass. My choco lab thinks they are moving bite size snacks..:smileylaughing:
JPPR2 A couple of things you should look at :chitown:
1 use light coloured tile or paving bricks around the pool.(if you use a dark colour, it will gets hot to walk on)
2 look at heating for the pool, as the concrete pool gets cold very quick.( simple black poly pipe on the roof of the gazebo)
3 make sure your vacuum inlet is half way, on the long wall.(if the vacuum is at 1 end, then you need a long vacuum hose)
Good luck with the pool & your retirement when your ready
Thanks Ratchaburi. Great to hear from you. Hope all is well with life and family.Quote:
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Appreciate the feedback and all very good points. You know in the states I had my pool set up with a Polaris Vac sweep ( Polaris 360 Pressure Pool Cleaner | #1 Swimming Pool Cleaner Worldwide | Polaris Automatic Pool Cleaners ). automatic pool skimmer. I hope to set that up here. They worked awesome and kept the water moving, the tail scrubbed the pool keeping algae from forming and picked up most the debris
I was thinking about the solar heating aspect. Got any links to some Thailand sites? I definitely want to use the pool year round.
Are you speaking about a swimming pool in Thailand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratchaburi
Most of the year I have to cool down the water by my ingenious Hi-Tech cooler over night. Now succeeding to get 29C morning down from 31-32 I got the evening before. At 8pm my tiles (of light color) that are above the water level are still hot when touching.
And during the few cold months in winter mid November - mid February I use the same Hi-Tech cooler as a solar heater, rising few centigrades during the bright sunny days what they lost during the cold nights, so enabling me everyday swimming.
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^^^^^^ Is that a fishpond ?
I would think keeping a pool at a refreshing temperature would be a challenge for smaller pools with less water volumes. My friend had a similar problem in Las Vegas as he had a small shallow pool. He eventually dug and had 2 big tanks buried underground that held pool water then when it started to get warm he switched the valves and then all pool water was diverted through the tanks to cool the pool. It actually worked quite well. Others I know with much larger pools with a deep end do not have that issue as the water after a foot or so remains cool. So running the pump while swimming keeps the pool comfortable. For me the bigger challenge will be in winter to get the temp up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
I am considering a pool deck for the perimeter made of the simulated wood. The reason being is I plan on having the pool a bit of above ground. With a deck the plumbing would all be accessible versus buried and I like that it will have an air gap underneath as the openings will let air out. As we all know, cement and tile are huge heat sinks. Once they are hot they hold that heat for a long time. Ever gone out and touched your driveway at night here. At 6am they are still quite warm.Quote:
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More research to do......
More research to do...
Just remember jp - we'll all be here to support you in that challenging time. :DQuote:
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Another reason is the well being of pets.
Mate of mine with a three year old daughter who doted on her freshly acquired kitten moved to a place with a pool. First night...well, guess what. :sad:
Mate's challenge for the following day: find kitten with very specific colours for its fur.
A pool with surroundings above ground level would have negated the hazard. In your case of course, more important just to keep the dogs from messing up the water.
Conwood is your answer for the surroundings. Above ground and with surroundings of conwood would also, rather happily, make it cheaper and easier. :D
Yes Cyrille. Both my dogs are water dogs and will have to be trained or they will be belly flopping in it every chance they get. :)
Considering what source of water I am using for my "fishpond" (see further at the bottom) as well as for my swimming pool and for the house demand I am quite proud on my achievement.Quote:
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Perhaps you could do better?
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They do not complain...
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Yeah, your pool set up looks great, I must admit.
Our dogs love to go in the pond in the hot weather, but strangely never go in the pool without a push.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPPR2
One thing I would recommend, even for 'water' dogs, is training them where the steps are under supervision. Without the aid of steps dogs generally can't exit a pool and will soon tire and drown if trying to get out of the wrong end. In my experience, even for our mentally challenged street dogs, it only takes a handful of swims before they immediately head for the steps to get out of the pool.
Yeah. I will definitely show them. Most dogs are quick learners. I think my Lab will be the edge of the pool Barker but my Golden will do a one a half twist with a swan dive to get in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
I am thinking about a tortoise ladder as well. :smileylaughing: albeit my big male now weighs 64lbs.
Ours is app. 74.000 litres, which brings with it its own set of problems. I'd suggest go smaller rather than largerQuote:
Originally Posted by JPPR2
Our pool is 12m x 6m x 1.5m average. At the moment the water temperature is a steady 32/33 degrees C, which is too warm to be refreshing.
In the winter it'll go down to around 22 degrees, which now I find a bit cold for comfort. If I could maintain a steady 28 degrees I think that would be good, year round.
I agree Mendip. 25c (78deg) to 28c (82 deg) is optimum temp to make a "dip in the pool" as they say refreshing. It's much easier to heat water up here versus cooling it off. My basic calculation on the volume of the pool design I considering is about 120,000 L ( 31,700 gals). That was about the size I had in the states. The water 3.5 meters down was always chilly which might be an advantage here. I know the few pools I have swam in here the top 25 cm (10 in) are always uncomfortably hot. The sun here is very intense.
That said. Maybe running an extended filter plumbing under the deck area might offer a cooling benefit during the summer months.
Ohhh let the project fun begin...:)
Mendip do you have dark coloured tiles on your pool, dark colour tile heat your pool water up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
To cool the water make a cooling tower.
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ABOUT WATER TEMPERATURES
Water has two unique characteristics: it is a very poor conductor of heat and it has a great capacity to hold energy. In other words, it takes a lot of energy to raise the temperature of water, but once the temperature is raised, the heat energy is dissipated very slowly
.How much do Water Temperatures Change?
When sunlight strikes the surface of water, it heats the top layers most readily. The sunlight is transmitted by the water only enough to heat lower levels a little bit. At 2 meters depth, 98% of the energy has been absorbed and transformed into heat.
Since water has a high capacity to hold on to heat - once heated it stays hot for a long time.
Pulled this excerpt out discussing thermocline principles.
Here in Thailand with the intense sun this becomes important as some have noted that water temperature is an ongoing effort to cool and sustain it. Clearly the deeper the pool the lower depths stay far cooler due to the energy absorption. When I was down in Sattahip and went to the Phx Golf resort to hit a bucket of balls I saw a nice pool and no one in it. Happened to be a security guard near it so I went to look. I asked how come no one is here then felt the water. It was friggen miserably hot all the way up to my elbow. I wouldn't have jumped in. Not when the water is hotter then the ambient temperature outside..
I like Klondykes and Ratchburis cooling ideas.
Anyway, just posting the info for others. Last thing I want to do is have a pool that is too hot.
great idea and if you fashion it in certain way and locate it appropriately it will act as contraceptive device, albeit you may hear a lot of squeeking.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPPR2
My wife got a comprehensive quote from one place today that her cousin has dealt with for a few hotels. It was all done via phone and Lanna Pool quoted 1.3 mil baht. Their quote was quite comprehensive with all top line parts, labor and design all done. Now before anyone says "Oh Farang Fee" they have no idea its a white guy asking. It was all done in Thai. They sent half a dozen links to vids of pools they have done and references should I want to go look.
Couple of notes
- They took exception and would not do my 3 to 3.5 meter deep request, they wanted to only do 2 meters.
- I told my wife while they appear to be a very organized professional business, that's only one quote and I do not want to spend that much. She said she will look at others and will also contact them to test the water on price.
- A guy who built a house about a 1/2 a mile or so from us has a built in pool. My wife knows who is general contractor for the build and the pool was all part of the house bid but he estimated the pool to be to be about 1.5mil baht. It is not yet completed however the owner seems to have run out of money and the house progress has come to a screeching halt. Beautiful house too.
More to come. According to my wife, there are some other businesses but they are not able to travel here due to the covid 19 constraints.
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Do you ever think about what you post or where the post is located? This is construction, pools, and patios. Just try to think for a second before you press enter.
Top of the board stuff and all that.
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I suppose you have already p[lanted the trees to shade the pool (because they were part of the the previous fish pond project) but if not then start that first. It seems to me that the main source of heat for the pool water is the sun so shade should reduce that consdierably.
Also i would make sure you have a good cover that can insulate the water when the pool is not in use.
While I fully understand your reasons for deciding to have the pool partially above the ground I would have thought the more in ground it is the more likely to be cooler.
Anyway after seeing what you have done before I am sure you will over analyse and over engineer it, so good luck.