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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    We went for those teardrop hanging chairs for the verandah. Lubbly.
    To hang on your imaginary verandah at your imaginary "villa".

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    Ohhh, hi Joe. :-)


    Tardin' in the top half of the forum again eh. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    We went for those teardrop hanging chairs for the verandah. Lubbly.
    The kid really loves hers.




    But who wouldn't.

    Shure tiz hard to beat island villa verandah living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    irst up was explaining that nowadays just having wires stapled to the wall is not the way to go, they are buried in the wall which is why we have to decide on locations.
    "Why so many power points in kitchen?" ..."One for fridge, one for microwave, one for freezer, another for toaster/blender/whatever, Rangehood"...the last: "we need electric for that?"
    "Why you want power outside on verandah?
    Good to see the progress Mike.

    You may also want to consider where the switch board / consumer unit goes. Thais tend to have it mounted prominently in a main living area, which looks less than aesthetic.
    Also, a trick for mounting power points and light switches is to use a piece of conduit with two pieces of insulation tape on it. One to show the height of the power point from the floor, the other to show the height of the light switch from the floor.
    It saves having various heights for both through the house, something that Thai's don't worry about. Odd heights don't bother them.
    Another thing to consider is mounting the light switches above power points. This reduces the amount of conduit drops.

    Have you / are you considering Solar PV & batteries? Worth thinking about where the combiner box and inverter will be located in relation to the main switchboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    We will probably have a water tank and pump at the left rear corner, so will also run conduit outside, down from soffits for that....out of sight and mind there for 99% of time so not too worried about aesthetics for that.
    Mike, re air conditioning drains. Worth cutting these in while still at the render stage. Makes for a more aesthetic look...out of sight and mind... Getting these put in now can also avoid having to use a pump for the drains too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    The rendering crew started work on Monday, and promptly started rendering over a wall where he was supposed to be cutting out a channel for the electrical conduit.
    Mike, I recommend you get the builder to put stainless steel mesh over each conduit & water pipe channel before it is rendered. Also put it diagonally across each window and door corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peciacake View Post
    Mike, re air conditioning drains.
    And electronics.

    I previously found it odd that a lot of the walls in the villa had an electrical socket at the top, just under the ceiling.

    It took a while to click that when they built it they had put them in for aircons, but in 3 walls of each room, so the owner could easily choose which wall he wanted the aircon on. The result is an aircon on one wall, and an electrical socket 30cm under the ceiling on the other 2 of every room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peciacake View Post
    Mike, I recommend you get the builder to put stainless steel mesh over each conduit & water pipe channel before it is rendered. Also put it diagonally across each window and door corner.
    They are using a fibreglass mesh, but I suspect a couple of the first conduit channels didn't get it used. One of the first interior walls had been done, I noticed an unopened package on the floor nearby...fibreglass mesh. I gave the worker an inquisitive look and he rushed off somewhere. When I came back 30 minutes later he had opened the roll and was busy fixing mesh over the window corners on the next wall.
    The electrical rough-in guy is still AWOL so no more channels have been cut, and the plasterers are still merrily rendering over where he was supposed to cut conduit channels.
    Once more with feeling...mai pen rai...can do it later.

    You may also want to consider where the switch board / consumer unit goes. Thais tend to have it mounted prominently in a main living area, which looks less than aesthetic.
    That is going in the office/informal dining/kitchen area, so out of sight of most visitors except Thai family....and they have no idea of aesthetics any way. Originally I thought of the small storeroom but decided wall space would be better used for shelving/storage.

    Have you / are you considering Solar PV & batteries? Worth thinking about where the combiner box and inverter will be located in relation to the main switchboard.
    Our budget isn't going to stretch that far unfortunately unless one of my more speculative stock investments comes good !
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    Another week done, just more and more rendering. This "should" be the last delivery of render mix:
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    The builder rang up yesterday asking for the next progress payment so he can "give the workers a Songkran bonus". The wife pointed out that payment was due after the rendering was done, and that the previous progress payment was for roof completion...something still not done, probably a few hours work to finish. So when we went out to the site at 6pm this evening we found 2 guys still working on the walls, only 2 small walls and a couple of columns to finish tomorrow. And roof crew "will" be back to finish their work, so that the boss can get his money.
    Looking a lot better with plaster on the walls:
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    I am still not 100% happy about the idea of rendering the walls then cutting out the holes for switch and power sockets boxes, or the 3 small windows that didn't get done for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    I am still not 100% happy about the idea of rendering the walls then cutting out the holes for switch and power sockets boxes,
    Understandable.

    When we made our first build, I just let them do it their way/tradition and was quite impressed that those..."farmers" could put bricks on top of another.

    Occured to me that it was nasty, unfair and bordering......predudicial (ahem) of me.

    Demand what you were promised !!!!!


    Have you considered doing a lot of power socket boxes and then use wireless switches for some of them ?

    Will set you back moneywise, but I have done a few and is very happy with it.

    Did the first one 8-9 years ago and haven't changed the battery yet

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    Coming along well all things considered Mike.
    What's the full pallet of AAC blocks for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peciacake View Post
    Coming along well all things considered Mike.
    What's the full pallet of AAC blocks for?
    Builder still has to do the kitchen and bathroom counters so I suppose some of them are for that, but still going to have several left over. I guess he will use them on another project. It's a fixed price contract so over-ordering is his problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post


    Have you considered doing a lot of power socket boxes and then use wireless switches for some of them ?
    I wanted to, but it was a firm "NO" from the wife for any of that fancy stuff. Back in Bangkok I had Google Home assistant set up with the TV, lights, fan in my condo. She just refused to use it. I did research digital door locks available here that are compatible with Google Home so that I could just group them all together and lock up at night easily, but came up blank.
    I will be splurging on a robot vacuum, a Roomba or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Builder still has to do the kitchen and bathroom counters so I suppose some of them are for that, but still going to have several left over.
    not sure i'd use AAC for that application

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    Some random temperature checks.

    I took advantage of the empty worksite while the crew is away for Songkran, and took some temperatures of floor and walls without the workers looking at me and wondering "what's the crazy farang doing now?". At 10.30 this morning the weather app on my phone told me it was 39 degrees with a "realfeel" of 43. I don't know how accurate that is but it felt hot so it will do as a comparison.
    First up was the exterior south-east facing wall, in the sun about 50cm above floor level. 44.2 outside the kitchen and 43.9 outside our bedroom.
    ( There is an existing tree which shades our bedroom in the early morning, and I will be planting more to shade the rest of the wall )
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    Then the same places in the shade of the eaves approx 1 meter higher, about window height...39.5 and 39.6.
    Move inside and repeat at about 1.5m above floor level..31 in both rooms
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    Then to risk life and limb on the wonky scaffolding to get some roof temperatures, 49.7 on top of the verandah roof, 32.9 under the 35mm PU foam.
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    The main roof gave me a reading of 31.5 but I wasn't right up to it so maybe not so accurate.
    External verandah wall, in the shade, was 30.4 and the corresponding spot inside 30.3.
    Moving in to the main living area, interior wall temperatures of 29.3, 29.4 and 30.3.
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    Finally to check the floor temp...a consistent 29.4 or 29.5 degrees throughout the living area.
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    All this is with just the shell of a building, 75mm AAC blocks rendered but not painted, metal roof with 35mm PU foam but no ceiling, nor doors or windows. The breeze blowing through the building does have an evaporative cooling effect on the skin but it is also blowing hot air from outside into the interior, possibly raising the inside temperatures of floor and walls slightly? I will have to check again when we can close the house up. But even so, having wall and floor temperatures of around 30 degrees at the hottest time of the year seems pretty good to me. Maybe we will not need to spend money on ceiling insulation as well ? Whether I can convince the wife that will be cool enough not to need air-con is a different matter !
    As a comparison I also checked our rental home, just your average village house built of cement blocks with no insulation but it does have a generous verandah/awning around 3 walls and the 4th only gets the sun around 4pm at this time of year. 47.9 under the tin roof on south east side, 36.5 on that wall (completely shaded all day). But that same wall was 35.4 on the inside which tells you everything about the thermal efficiency of cement blocks! Living room floor tiles were 34.4 degrees
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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Have you considered doing a lot of power socket boxes and then use wireless switches for some of them ?
    Anyone thinking of doing this needs to know that you will need both an active and neutral at the switch to power the unit . Many light switches and fan controllers will only have active wires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    metal roof with 35mm PU foam but no ceiling, nor doors or windows.
    Good R-Value ceiling batts will bring that down again. We just did a townhouse with a ceiling area of 130sqm for around 20k.


    I'll do the pun, the difference is night and day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    Maybe we will not need to spend money on ceiling insulation as well
    Mike, we have Bluescope ZACS insulated roofing. I wanted to see if it would provide sufficient insulation on its own with a gabled roof. The size of the AC unit was speced on an insulated ceiling / roof cavity. It struggles a bit to keep the living room / kitchen below 25 without the ceiling insulation, which I will need to install at some point in the future. Otherwise the AAC blocks, wide verandas and good ventilation keep the inside temp at 28 when its 37+ outside. Once the trees grow it should be even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peciacake View Post
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    What's the full pallet of AAC blocks for?
    Went out to water the trees this morning and that pallet load of AAC had gone. Don't know if he is using them elsewhere or he got a refund on their return...his problem.

    4 or 5 workers having an overdue site clean up outside and a new guy trying to make sense of the lighting plan inside. Then the wife came out to tell me that the builder wants us to mark out power point locations ...again. I had taken photos of the spots I marked and the conduits for future reference, but they were on the computer at home. I knew they should have cut out the boxes before plastering !

    An evening update:
    The builder messaged the wife saying that rendering had finished and the next payment was due, but when we went out this evening we saw that was not the case. 3 columns still to be plastered, 3 windows to be cut out which would then need plastering, and still 3 small roof jobs to finish from the previous schedule of payments. So she took photos of all these and sent them off to his LINE account. It seems that apparently he is waiting on new fascias because they have been damaged...they would be ok if his guys had put them up weeks ago instead of leaving them laying around to get trodden on and covered in plaster ! No explanation of why the windows have not been done ages after they said "be done soon".
    On the positive side, half of the interior walls had received a coat of primer and many of the socket and switch boxes were in the walls.
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    Money talks ....even the promise of money.
    After yesterday's "discussion" about the next progress payment we went out this morning to find that they are finally cutting out the missing windows !
    The hole for bathroom window is complete :
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    And starting on the others:
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    And the painter continued with the primer:
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    Meanwhile the site cleanup continued outside by the two women. One is, shall we say, rather on the large side...twice the size of most of the guys working here. And the other is small, even by Thai norms. Definitely the odd couple but they made quick progress in cleaning up all the scrap AAC and spilt concrete. Got them to tip a lot of it where I plan to build some steps when I get around to the landscaping after moving in. That will save a bit of time and effort with fill. Anything sellable, such as a decent sized pile of metal scrap, naturally gets sold by the workers. Apparently the plastic strapping around the AAC blocks is worth quite a bit, another big bundle of that.

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