rock-faced boundary wall cost

**Schuimpge** · 29-05-2023, 03:30 PM

I've tried using the search function, but it always gives me an error.

So I guess I'll have to ask the question in a separate forum-post then..

We're starting (slowly) with our house in Hua Hin. First job on the list is a boundary wall.
I'm a fan of the rock-faced walls but wondering what the current prices are to build it.
Does anyone have any ball-park figures for that?

Got a few prices per square meter, depending on the type of rocks/stone used, ranging from 3,500 to 4,700 ThB p/square meter.

Total length of the wall will be 110 meters, so that's quite an investment at those prices.

Appreciate any input.

Cheers,
Luc

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That's 4700, 3800, 3500 & 4000 THB Left to Right

**malmomike77** · 29-05-2023, 03:38 PM

Can't help you Luc but i'd start by pricing the rock separately, then ask for an estimate on the number of days and how many will be on site so you get an idea of their labour/profit charge, its not highly skilled work so you can assess what labour rate they are building in compared to say 450-600 THB/day for a labourer.

**Schuimpge** · 29-05-2023, 03:51 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Mike. I'll be searching around for that. Not in a hurry, bought the land in January, will take a few years to get it all done I guess. 3,000 sqmt land to build up.

**david44** · 29-05-2023, 05:16 PM

If on site ask for a fixed price for all the Labour, I would avoid employing neighbours or relatives ( it is problematic if there are disputes/delays) Where I live in C Rai the rocks would cost more than the labour today.

If it is your first local build ask around for recommendation, when I last visited many years there were many foreigners resident.

You can pay for the rock on delivery , though your builder will probably be able to find better deals and faster .

From my experience self build nothing ever gets cheaper and delays due to weather "Pittis " and slow delivery may be an issue but you said no such which is always best on any building project. If I had a South facing wall in Hua Hin I would consider Solar panel for some of it to run an electric vehicle which is another debate.

Good luck I would get the house right first and allow Thai partner choice of rock size shade so there can be no argument down the line, but I'm a go with the flow passive type

**helge** · 29-05-2023, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

its not highly skilled work

Hmm maybe not

Have you tried it ?

**david44** · 29-05-2023, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Hmm maybe not

Have you tried it ?

Oh my Hod

Excellent point , it's viiking ridiculous that secrets of masonry are exposed.

Luckily unlike Daegli Danmark a skilled workman here in the sticks is less than my dinner glass of wine and he lasts all day the wine needs a refilll with the jeez and crackers on no sox evenings

Hod carriirs , slurry mixers and general labour have shot up from 200 when I built to 400-500 unrelated to skill but usually when they are busy on the farms and paddies you have to pay more to lure them , rather like Zealanders who'll bend over backwards for a puff pastry

**malmomike77** · 29-05-2023, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Hmm maybe not

Have you tried it ?

yes..

**helge** · 29-05-2023, 06:11 PM

Any pics ?

**malmomike77** · 29-05-2023, 06:13 PM

Somewhere it was a mates place, fooking hideous on a house imo

**Pragmatic** · 29-05-2023, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by david44

I would avoid employing neighbours or relatives

Or friends.

**Schuimpge** · 30-05-2023, 01:43 PM

lol..lots of comments, no pricing estimates yet.. I'm checking with my contractor here in Pathum, see what he'll say.
Will of course let you guys know.
Cheers,
Luc

**reinvented** · 30-05-2023, 04:50 PM

If Pathum Thani, build an ark

**Schuimpge** · 31-05-2023, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by reinvented

If Pathum Thani, build an ark

Already went to one big flood here in Pathum. That's why I bought in HuaHin, about 45m up the hill overlooking the gulf of Thailand..

**Schuimpge** · 31-05-2023, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Or friends.

Understand that sure. Though the guy who gave me the prices did a lot of work around the area for this type of walls.

Here's some pictures around his house/resort, which is opposite our land.

**Schuimpge** · 31-05-2023, 11:42 AM

My contractor and friend came back with some info on pricing for rocks.
About 2,500 THB p/ton, which covers about 2 square meters of wall.
So that's about 1250 THB p/square meter.
Given the price of 3,500 p/square meter for the cheapest wall I got, that works out to 2,250 THB per Square Meter for labor, cement and other prep-work.
Looks a bit steep to me. But we'll keep doing some more research on it.

Another option that I'm looking at is Gabion cages. There's some really nice work that can be done with those, it's faster to do and 'semi-permanent', so can always change things later on.

**Norton** · 31-05-2023, 11:48 AM

250k baht all in sounds about right for a ball park figure.

**Schuimpge** · 31-05-2023, 01:42 PM

The wife likes dark. Found a thread here on Gabion walls, and one of the posters gave www.okdplus.com as a source for rocks.
Great find. Ex quarry, 170 Baht p/ton for this one:

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Wife is like yes yes yes...lol. For once, she likes the cheapest stuff...

Still need to do the transport, but that's minimal compared to the overall cost (and savings)

**malmomike77** · 31-05-2023, 01:48 PM

^ Gabion walls are great but you need to make sure you get good hot dipped zinc cages, good ones can last 60 years. Don't scrimp on the cages is what i'm getting at, especially as you'll have salt air breeze

**Schuimpge** · 31-05-2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

^ Gabion walls are great but you need to make sure you get good hot dipped zinc cages, good ones can last 60 years. Don't scrimp on the cages is what i'm getting at, especially as you'll have salt air breeze

Yep. Understood and agreed..thinking of having it painted as well, black so it blends a bit more with the stone. It's an extra layer of protection. And yes, might start to peel after a while, need to check on what's possible.
Lots of work to do and it's only the boundary wall for now..lol..

**Schuimpge** · 27-06-2023, 11:08 AM

Just a quick update on the project.
Had Gabion walls quoted from 2 different sources. Both came out about 5500 THB p/square meter.
That includes foundation and everything for a complete wall.

Depending on the thickness of a rock-faced wall, you either pay 1x 4000 Baht p/square meter, or if you want a thicker wall, you'd pay both sides.
So both are expensive options given that we need about 110-120 meter wall.

To move this forward, I had a meeting with my architect and instead of having a continuous wall of the same type, the design will consist of segments of thick (80-100cm) rock-faced wall connected by sections of normal plastered block-wall.
Picture attached is what I have in mind.
There's some challenges in that the land slopes by about 2.5 - 3 meters from the highest corner to the lowest corner, see how the architect works around that first.
Using this design allows me to have sections of the plastered block wall aligned with the inside and other sections with the outside of the rock-faced wall, creating planting areas to break up the wall.
Makes for a much more playful, interesting wall..

Will update when the design drawings come in.

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**Shutree** · 27-06-2023, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Schuimpge

the design will consist of segments of thick (80-100cm) rock-faced wall connected by sections of normal plastered block-wall.

Using this design allows me to have sections of the plastered block wall aligned with the inside and other sections with the outside of the rock-faced wall, creating planting areas to break up the wall.
Makes for a much more playful, interesting wall.

Sounds like a good plan. One hundred metres of continuous rock wall could look a bit overwhelming.

**Schuimpge** · 27-06-2023, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Shutree

Sounds like a good plan. One hundred metres of continuous rock wall could look a bit overwhelming.

Doing both sides of the wall, between 160 and 200cm high, 4000 b/sqmt x2 x120m, that'll be close to 2m THB with some pocket money for a beer or 2 left..

**Schuimpge** · 15-08-2023, 12:20 PM

Been a while since I posted here. We're getting a house in Petchaburi rebuilt first for wife's parents.
Did get first design drawings, and it's pretty much ready for detailed construction drawings to be done.
Still need to discuss on water and electric pipes, outlets and some design details, but that's for after finishing Petchaburi project.
Planters will get galvanized wire-mesh to close it up and to support the bushes going in.

Obviously, the water-pipes (with drip-emitters) are to keep the plants happy.
Electric conduit with cables for soil-moisture sensors and separate lines for electricity.

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**Schuimpge** · 15-08-2023, 12:45 PM

Just a quick de-tour: House in Petchaburi, old garage with some sleeping quarters. Build almost 30yrs ago.
Bought it because the concrete frame was good and it would be an easy conversion using all existing beams and pillars as wall-supports. I've included floor-plans which show that.
Neighbor next door is the wife's uncle, we always celebrate new-year over there and it's the house where Mom grew up.
So with both of them getting older, we wanted them staying at a familiar and comfortable place.
Dad is checking every day on construction, can't wait to move. Mom is happy and will be in her comfort zone as they get older.
They will have the ground floor to live, large outside area, everything level for easy walking, 1 meter wide sliding doors and for example all power-outlets at 1.20m high.
External stairs to the 1st floor, so we don't disturb them going in our out when they are sleeping. 2 bedrooms upstairs, with living and 2 shower/bathrooms.
This will save us from the hotel-stays and I can peacefully retreat to my balcony with a beer when the Thai chatter drives me nuts...lol

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