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    There are many shops across Thailand that sell those colourbond type profiled sheets, they cut them to order on different colours and thicknesses but the important issue is they usually have machines to add bends across the profile and so if you get them to add a 90 degree bend say 1.5 meters from the sheet end you can use the section as the ridge tile and lay the other sides sheet underneath - thats my two pence worth FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    so if you get them to add a 90 degree bend say 1.5 meters from the sheet end you can use the section as the ridge tile and lay the other sides sheet underneath
    That's a good idea. I have never seen that. Next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manc View Post
    Did you have PU foam put underneath your metal sheets? What was the configuration? And how has it lasted? I would be interested to know other posters' experience with this.
    A bit of a story. I ordered the builder to get the specific Bluescope roof steel with metal foil. When the steel arrived there was no foil backing. The builder shrugged and said he thought I meant steel plus a foil sheet he would lay underneath it. One of a hundred 'misunderstandings' from which I assume he profited more. I am now finding small pieces of that metal foil in the garden. Something is causing it to break up, I don't know if it is animals.

    The carport and a storage shed were afterthoughts so I made sure he bought the same colour steel with the factory foam/foil backing. This is the carport:

    Our future home-carport-jpg

    There is no delamination so far. This is 1.5 years old. Of course the underside is quite sheltered, however this roof faces South and does get a lot of sun.

    On the weather-facing outside edge it looks a little less pristine. There is a gutter here so it is quite difficult to see the roof edge.

    Our future home-carport-out-jpg

    The last shot shows the undrside of the shed roof with backing, partly sheltered under the plain backed house roof above.

    Our future home-shed-jpg

    Overall I have no complaints about the Bluescope roof so far. In heavy downpours of course there is some noise, quite soothing really and way, way quieter than some covered walkways in schools I have spent time in. There the noise made conversation impossible.

    Before I decided on this roof I looked at others and in particular a local hotel that built a covered carport with foam/foil backed metal roof. After a year or so the leading edge of that roof began to look a little weather-worn. However, that is a single pitch roof and I was looking at the higher, front edge, so any water getting between the steel and the foam would stay there or flow down inside. They would have been smarter to add a narrow front section sloping down from a ridge or bending the leading edge into a bullnose roof, like this pic borrowed from the Internet:

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    Hi Shutree,

    Thanks for sharing your experience on this.

    My wife contacted BlueScope in Bangkok, and they put is in touch with a supplier/dealer here in Chonburi City called CJ Metal. We popped in there and spoke to them. They showed us their kit.

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    At this factory, they cut the sheets down to the spec you need and then back it with foam/foil there and then. No agency from the contractor here. You can choose between 1" and 2" PU foam. Then you have a choice of making the underside a metal sheet as well (which comes in at over B100 more per linear metre), thus making a kind of "sandwich"; or you can just have a silver foil rim on the underside to round it off, which looks fine to me.

    Seeing this package they offer has increased my confidence with regard to slippage and detachment of the foam/foil. Obviously there is leeway here in how you do this. You could try and buy the metal and sort the foam/foil out yourself, or have your builder do it, but your experience suggests paying a bit more from the supplier is the way to go.

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    They also showed us some metal rim strips (visible here only slightly on the left side of the picture), which came in all kinds of shapes and sizes. Those rim pieces are also coloured to match your Colorbond / BlueScope product. The exposed edges in your picture, and other I have seen, concern me about water ingress.

    Incidentally, they sell non-rusting screws in bags of 100 pcs (B900 per bag!) for nailing down the sheets. They said something about the warranty on the metal product not being honoured if those screws were not purchased. They also said each 72cm-wide sheet would be joined at the sides with silicone to prevent water ingress.

    All this stuff adds up, but it feels more like a holistic package when purchased direct from the supplier.

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    Manc, the 2 inch foam with a further metal sheet underneath looks the way to go. I don't think you can regret spending money on the roof to keep you both dry and cool. My only concern would be this idea of siliconing the sheets butted together, i would rather have a profile overlap which would mean no foam on one edge which you'd use to overlap the previous sheet. I'd not trust the silicone long term.

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    Agree about the sheet overlap and potential failure of the silicone. I have sheet roofs on both a car port at the front, and an outside terrace area at the rear of the house. The sheets have half inch black foam on the underside (this more for rain noise prevention than any thermal consideration), which also acts as a compression seal on the overlapping areas. The main house is concrete tiled, for which I had PU foam sprayed (50mm) some six years ago. Have been very pleased with it, not only the thermal properties, but it effectively locks the tiles together preventing any slippage and/or leaks. Some photos:






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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Manc, the 2 inch foam with a further metal sheet underneath looks the way to go. I don't think you can regret spending money on the roof to keep you both dry and cool. My only concern would be this idea of siliconing the sheets butted together, i would rather have a profile overlap which would mean no foam on one edge which you'd use to overlap the previous sheet. I'd not trust the silicone long term.
    Hi Mike, thanks for the tips. I must admit, I had never heard of the silicone gluing with regard to metal sheets until she mentioned it.

    I agree that the metal "sandwich" thing looks a lot more durable. The specimen she showed us with the film underside looked too "springy" for me, like it would eventually drag on the adhesive too much and pull the foam off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post
    Agree about the sheet overlap and potential failure of the silicone. I have sheet roofs on both a car port at the front, and an outside terrace area at the rear of the house. The sheets have half inch black foam on the underside (this more for rain noise prevention than any thermal consideration), which also acts as a compression seal on the overlapping areas. The main house is concrete tiled, for which I had PU foam sprayed (50mm) some six years ago. Have been very pleased with it, not only the thermal properties, but it effectively locks the tiles together preventing any slippage and/or leaks.
    Hi PAG,
    Ah, Chalong! One of my old haunts. I lived there for about 2 years over ten years ago. I worked for a company in Palai. Had a great time down there.
    Thanks for sharing your experience and photos and giving me some tips. We will hopefully be ordering the BlueScope in the next couple of months...

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    Thought I chip in as well. Been a long time since I last updated.
    PU-Foam backing: Yes, with blue-scope, have it factory applied. Not as messy as having it done after the roof has been installed. And indeed, go with a licensed agent, as they will install everything as the manufacturer requires it.
    My townhouses all have PU-Foam sprayed on. Indeed very good for noise as well as keeping unwanted stuff out (burglars, critters, etc.) But beware that if the tiles itself start loosing their coating, they will leak and it will eventually find its way through the foam. Keep the outside of the tiles clean and apply a sealer if the roof ages.

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    As for my house.. we're hunting for land. Saw some interesting plots. Right now there's 2 main factors:
    1. Size/Price (obviously)
    2. Location (as in: height in meters above sea-level).

    Number 2 is an interesting one. Might all be ok and nice for now, but given the increasing speed in which climate changing events are taking place, I want to make sure I still have dry feet in the next 20-30 years.
    Might sound crazy to some, but sure if I didn't care, I'd find myself under water in 15 years. So better do care and finding it all was no problem after all..lol

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    interesting question I think:
    I'm eyeing a piece of land and there's a landlocked plot behind it which is supposedly claimable (owner has the land for 7 years and the claimable plot does not have any owner)..
    Anybody has any knowledge/experience with that?

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    Our future home-1-jpgOur future home-2-jpgOur future home-3-jpgOur future home-4-jpgOur future home-5-jpgOur future home-6-jpg
    That's the first renderings based on the model I made.
    Architect took the freedom to use stone-walls.. Looks good sure.. No idea yet on the extra cost for that.

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    ^ i presume by your comments on sea level you are look at a seaside / beachside plot

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    ^ i presume by your comments on sea level you are look at a seaside / beachside plot
    Well, Seaview is nice, but at least 10-20m higher than sea-level to cover for future floods/problems.

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    Be very careful when buying near the sea, possibly the most unscrupulous vendors of land in these locations. Had two people i know nearly come a cropper purchasing land nearly on the beach. Just take extra care over rights to development on the land and the vendors title to it. Oh and be wary of which lawyer you use, some crooks out there in cahoots with vendors.

    That said, i wish you luck with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Be very careful when buying near the sea, possibly the most unscrupulous vendors of land in these locations. Had two people i know nearly come a cropper purchasing land nearly on the beach. Just take extra care over rights to development on the land and the vendors title to it. Oh and be wary of which lawyer you use, some crooks out there in cahoots with vendors.

    That said, i wish you luck with it.
    Thanks for the warning Mike, well noted.
    Everything I do is going through my sister in law, who's working at Petchaburi Justice department.
    Aside from that, her husband is a police officer.
    Will have everything double and triple checked sure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuimpge View Post
    Our future home-1-jpgOur future home-2-jpgOur future home-3-jpgOur future home-4-jpgOur future home-5-jpgOur future home-6-jpg
    That's the first renderings based on the model I made.
    Architect took the freedom to use stone-walls.. Looks good sure.. No idea yet on the extra cost for that.
    Two buildings. Will that space between them become cluttered with stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Willy View Post
    Two buildings. Will that space between them become cluttered with stuff?
    Interesting point. I think the space is narrow enough to avoid that and wide enough to comfortably walk through.
    The smaller building is a bedroom/bathroom unit. There will be more of them eventually, as homestead/resort units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuimpge View Post
    interesting question I think:
    I'm eyeing a piece of land and there's a landlocked plot behind it which is supposedly claimable (owner has the land for 7 years and the claimable plot does not have any owner)..
    Anybody has any knowledge/experience with that?

    Hi Schuimpge,

    With regard to your question about the landlocked plot: permission to access it via land belonging to another plot owner might be an issue. I think you may need to look into servitudes if you go for that plot.

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    I made an entry on my story about this here (Solex project). In my case, the other plot owners are family, so not an issue.

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    Our future home-schuimpge-plot-jpg

    The pics look great. I take it the land is merely for illustrative purposes only? I was about to comment on the landscaping here and potential water run-off, and then realised: you do not have a plot yet, do you?

    I also think the stone walls are a nice touch. It's great when a designer inadvertently adds inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manc View Post
    Hi Schuimpge,

    With regard to your question about the landlocked plot: permission to access it via land belonging to another plot owner might be an issue. I think you may need to look into servitudes if you go for that plot.

    Servitudes in Thailand | Siam Legal International
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    I made an entry on my story about this here (Solex project). In my case, the other plot owners are family, so not an issue.

    Thanks Manc, appreciate. I read the whole story you mentioned with interest.. I looked up the plot in the government website and now understand what's been done so far. (Need to carefully check if it is legal or not.. later).
    The landowner bought 7 plots, from the road sloping up a hill/rock formation in the back.
    The 7 plots take up about 2/3 of the total plot that he has walled in.
    The 1/3 at the back is not registered in the government land-database (ระบบค้นหารูปแปลงที่ดิน (LandsMaps)).
    There's no title deeds listed for that part, which got numerous alarm bells ringing.

    So, there's a legion of possibilities, to name a few:
    1. The agent is correct and it's claimable land, having been walled in possibly for 7 years already.
    2. The owner committed an offense, illegally claiming government owned land

    Sure something to very carefully check and sort out.
    Will keep you guys posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manc View Post
    Our future home-schuimpge-plot-jpg

    The pics look great. I take it the land is merely for illustrative purposes only? I was about to comment on the landscaping here and potential water run-off, and then realised: you do not have a plot yet, do you?

    I also think the stone walls are a nice touch. It's great when a designer inadvertently adds inspiration.
    Indeed no land yet.
    The landscaping would include a large swimming pond/pool in front of the decks, just to name one item missing.

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    His is how it looks like:

    Our future home-screen-shot-2564-11-04-14-a

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