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    Katie,

    All the joints have rebar inserted, its probably just the timing of the photo, he likely does a course and then goes along afterward. There's no earthquake risk (very minimal) in the area so these are merely strengthening. Its not standard practice that i have seen to include rebar like this.

    On the white Aerated blocks thin rebar is embedded in the concrete columns and run horizontally along every two courses for strength.

    I'll pop an update up soon.

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    I've been trying to keep a running tally on spend at my end, some of the Thai to Whitie translation maybe off but not by much. The 800K ish Baht number is still achievable - her original budget was 900K (pre-COVID) and she knows of other builds around the area which are not as good quality that have run to 1 Mil so she's doing OK.

    5 Room Build Cost Breakdown




    Materials Breakdown




    THB
    Item
    6,000
    Soil & digger – foundations
    5,400
    Concrete for foundations – Readymix
    28,000
    Steel rebar for ring beams & columns
    4,000
    Plastic forms for ring beam and columns
    19,200
    Concrete for Ring beam – Readymix
    9,000
    Termite System installation & pipework
    5,300
    Soak away concrete rings
    25,600
    Concrete for internal floors – Readymix
    2,700
    Soil/drainage Pipe
    5,200
    Steel Mesh for car ports
    1,800
    Stone
    1,800
    Plastic sheeting for floor tanking
    114,000
    Groundworks & Foundations



    18,500
    Aerated blocks 500@ 18.5
    880
    Cement for aerated blocks
    7,000
    Concrete block for Outside walls
    4,500
    Cement for render
    3,600
    Sand for render
    300
    Fine bar for blockwork






    34,780
    Walls (incomplete)






    44,700
    Steel for Roof trusses
    550
    Paint for Steel
    650
    Welding rod
    5,550
    Facia Cement board = conwood
    35,610
    Roof sheeting and fixings



    87,060
    Roofing (incomplete)






    8,900
    Window inside = louvred aluminuim 5 * 1780
    17,150
    Window outside = UPVC 7 * 2450
    14,560
    Window grill = Stainless Steel 7 * 2080
    4,950
    Wood door surround = 990 *5
    6,750
    PVC door surrounds 1350* 5
    4,100
    Taps & Showers
    6,250
    Toilets
    5,400
    Sinks



    68,060
    Furniture (incomplete)






    303,900
    Material Total






    Contractor – stage payments




    THB
    Item
    68,000
    1st payment for ground work, ring beam and uprights
    68,000
    2nd payment for walls and roof
    68,000
    Not yet paid
    68,000
    Not yet paid
    58,000
    Not yet paid
    330,000
    Material Total






    633,900
    Overall Total




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    ^ Brilliant stuff!

    ... I always like to know the build costs.

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    Dave and the rest you are welcome, i'm trying to give some pointers, costs and ideas and i hope they are useful. Of course naming contractor total as material doesn't help

    Now is a good time to build, she's been lucky, very lucky with contractor availability and material cost due to COVID. In reality, its not even for her its a family asset going forward..i love the fact that women in this coven don't let the assets get grabbed - sly minxes hold property in the olds names, largely spinsters and only the cheap stuff goes under marital names. I'm out of luck it seems. Never known this before but its why the assets stay and the blokes get burnt eventually. hence the coven.....

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    Well, apologies for the delay.

    The next few pages are mainly external and internal wall updates, they get a bit samey so just a bit of a fast forward.

    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls28-jpg


    about half way up the walls he adds a concrete beam

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    The roof trusses are not finished, they have to have cross braces added, at present there are only rebar tack welds to keep them in shape.

    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls51-jpg


    At the rear you'll see wide openings, this is the area where tenants do washing and their cooking so it has a need for greater ventilation. These openings will not be windows but meshed.

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    More walls etc.

    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls58-jpg


    The area of bare ground to the right will have a concreted area. Both end walls have additional windows hence the 7 outside windows on the costings shown previously.

    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls59-jpg


    Internally the small bathrooms have yet to get tanked, the concrete for these will be added at the same time the carport, path and hard standing concrete is laid. The Bathroom will have rebar and a plastic tanking membrane added.

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    Getting there........

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    some more wall shots and i'll leave it there for now, we are getting walled out.

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    concrete door and wall framings for the apertures, some have the Wood or UPVC frames added.

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    some are a bit rough but they are not load bearing so no great shakes, they get tidies up.

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    The front area prepped for the last big pour, the hard standing down the left, the carport area to the front, the pathway to the right and of course the pour in the bathrooms - a busy day and all hands to the pump...to follow.

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    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls-jpg

    Is that brickwork keyed in anywhere?
    The lintel looks like it is hanging in space.

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    It was keyed as you can see the middle of the beam runs between two courses but they corrected the columns - good spot. I put that one up to see if the crowd were sleeping. I think one of his shall we say junior workers got the accolade for spot the fook up. As is said these are not really load bearing...thank gawd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Will be invisible after rendering...
    But visible again when it drops on Somchai's head when he's knocking up some munchies returning home after a successful night at the cock fights

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    Shutree got there before I did re the lintel ... it doesn't look structural.

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    Really starting to take shape now ... looking good!

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    One logic escapes me.

    The build is using a concrete cinder block on the outside wall, yet the Q-Con/Aerated block is being used for the internal walls?

    I thought, from a insulation viewpoint it would be visa-versa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Shutree got there before I did re the lintel ... it doesn't look structural.
    Its not Dave, he's mainly good, just the odd brain fart which usually happens when the boss has thought he's got the instructions squared and the worker bees can be trusted to get on with it... only two mistakes like this i spotted so far and they weren't catastrophic. The team are a nice bunch and the boss didn't mind my questioning his moves which in the main were good enough for this build.

    Mrs Toot got a visit from the owner of another build who was staggered that what you see in the picture was 6 weeks in, he's 7 months in and still hasn't got the windows in and his build is smaller and is going to run to 1.1M bht - he's not happy.

    Mrs Toot lucked out with this guy so we'll forgive him some cul de sacs when his back is turned. He's not on her back about payments too, all he asks is enough to cover his workers costs and a bit - if anything completion-wise he's owed money. A rare bloke but he wants a wedge at the end so he's clearly a sharp cookie money wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I thought, from a insulation viewpoint it would be visa-versa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    More walls etc.


    Room for some Rooms - par deux-walls61-jpg



    Getting there........
    Are the internal partition walls made by cinder blocks in double layer with cavity so that they are of the same thickness as the columns (20cm)? As per the picture it seems so.

    If yes, surely it 's good for sound insulation between the two units.

    In fact, if such simple 1-storey structure is built by the double blocks - the columns could be omitted. The blocks create a load supporting structure, quite a substantial saving of construction time and material/workmanship money for the erection of the columns and the beams above.

    However, in Thailand, in any builder's mind, a house construction starts always with the structure of many "sau"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    it doesn't look structural.
    The unsupported concrete lintel + 3 courses of block work + the top ring beam + the roof beams.

    I would suggest the concrete lintel is supporting all the above.

    I'm sure once the wooden window frame is inserted all will be well.

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    ^^ Klon, its a Mrs Toot decision. Me i'd have walled the lot in aerated block. When questioned why just the bedroom/bathroom area i got a "its a sound thing" reply. I assume the bathroom because the ladies are shy.

    ^ Correct OhOh - its been remedied.

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    The "saus" create one more unpleasant problem: the layout of the walls - if bricked up by single blocks or bricks (thickness ca. 8 - 10cm) - will be always disturbed by the protruding "sau" 10cm, from one or the other side of the wall (thick 20cm). Even the outer walls have the "saus" always visible inside, not outside since it would disturb the neighbours .

    Therefore, the furniture placing is always with certain constraint...

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    ^ Klon, its horses for courses - these are utilitarian and aesthetics are less an issue but i get what you mean.

    We had a chat today and she is still optimistic of 800K thb, i am going 850K with a slap up Mo Yang, pork short rib soup and 5 Changs on it my side, if she win its a sushi extravaganza (she T total) - 825K either side. I have my ultimate weapon - in some vital upgrades she muuuuussssttttttt have just to lift the cost. I don't think i have explained the words cad or bounder to her yet.

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    ^ You are correct Nev but he's not English and he is variously using the Thai term so its all good - Pillar or Sau

    EDIT

    apologies i was not being inclusive. I will accept Column and That upright thingey

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    she is still optimistic of 800K thb, i am going 850K with a slap
    The price is really not so bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Originally Posted by Klondyke
    "saus"
    "sau"
    "saus"
    I think "pillar" is the English word you are looking for, Klondyke.

    pillar / pillars
    Very kind of you, really, I would not know.

    Anyway, if you are building a house in Thailand, with Thai people (OK, hardly you will find a falang builder - and not for 800 kB), you have to know what is a "sau" (the most spoken word at a construction). With a "pillar" you could confuse the builder, perhaps also insult him...

    In fact, I prefer a "sauless" house - from the reasons I described above. BTW, you will not see many houses built in the Old World with "saus", will you?

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