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    Clever , OhOh .
    Simple but clever .
    I like it . And I'll do it . Thank you .

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    Your main problem is the window. Stick some shutters on it.

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    You always make the same mistake in thinking you decide when the thread is finished, you don't.

    So in my opinion all you or Missy need to do is wait a little while longer and the sun will be directly overhead or heading north so that wall x is no longer going to get the direct sunshine all day. This is of course based on my assumption that wall x faces south.

    If you really want to be a cheap Charlie then tell Missy to just hang 80% shade cloth from the edge of the eaves down to the floor of the balcony.
    You would be very surprised how much difference there is in the temperature under shade cloth.
    My shade house only has 60% on it but it is many degrees cooler than outside in the direct sunshine.

    Another passing thought is to get someone to install blinds then they could be raised if you wanted the view out of the window.
    I seen a guy drive past our place yesterday flogging blind that were probably 4m long.

    Anyway I will cease now.
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    Hello Klond !!!

    I did find this from you in my earlier attempt to deal with things .

    You did what I was asking about ....... but you used foam behind those Shera boards . And it worked fine for you .
    When I came back to it today I was musing whether it might be equally as cooling to leave an air gap rather than using the foam rectangles .

    The feeling I got was to go for the air gap .
    I don't mind which way we go ......... I was looking for opinion about it .

    And thanks for taking the time Klond .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post


    Your main problem is the window. Stick some shutters on it.
    Well you're right . The window does get ferociously hot too . But it cools down pretty quickly when the sun moves around the corner . It doesn't retain the heat for another 6 hours like the walls do . And its simple enough to cover them .

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    That's what I don't like .
    The ' cheap Charlie ' jibe for no reason at all .

    It's ' simple fix Charlie ' having to send instruction to a cousin who is not a cousin whose work is deplorable and who just might make a difference if I ask for a ' Simple Fix ' that he can not really get wrong .

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    Or maybe too because theres nowhere for the heat to escape on that first floor. Heat rises and theres no air gap near the eaves... I lived in a duplex and the top floor was unbearable without aircon.

    Anyway good luck with it... although the lazy fuckers should be at work in the day instead of dossing around in the bedroom

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    Build in a traditional style.

    Might be surprised at the advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    When I came back to it today I was musing whether it might be equally as cooling to leave an air gap rather than using the foam rectangles .
    Oh yes, now I know it was your problem some time ago. Yes, even an air gap instead of the foam material will help. Or yu can use other natural material if available (coconut or rice husk, straw, etc).

    I do not think any chimney system would make a difference for you. You would not have enough draft and a cool air either.

    If you insulate the wall and improve the window (a shutter) that's a maximum what you can do in case of your simple construction. (You would not install a sophisticated a/c system from a RollsRoyce in your Fiat Uno...)

    How is the floor insulated?

    Sometimes a sheet hanging in front of the wall will help a lot.

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    ^^Agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Or yu can use other natural material if available (coconut or rice husk, straw, etc)
    Don't forget the
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    I do not think any chimney system would make a difference for you. You would not have enough draft and a cool air either.
    I suspect your are correct.

    Anyone interested here is a research paper of a Thai experiment.

    Ventilation impact of a solar chimney on indoor temperature fluctuation and air change in a school building

    "The aim of this research was to investigate, experimentally, both the feasibility of a solar chimney to reduce heat gain in a house by Ž. inducing natural ventilation and the effect of openings door, window and inlet of solar chimney on the ventilation rate.

    The study was conducted using a single-room school house of approximately 25 m3 volume. The southern wall was composed of three different solar chimney configurations of 2 m2 each, whereas, the roof southern side included two similar units of 1.5 m2 each of another solar chimney configuration. Those configurations were built by using common construction materials.

    Experimental observations indicated that when the solar chimney ventilation system was in use, room temperature was near that of the ambient air, indicating a good ability of the solar chimney to reduce house’s heat gain and ensuring thermal comfort.

    The air change rate varied between 8–15. Opening the window and door is less efficient than using solar chimneys, as temperature difference between room and ambient was higher than that obtained with solar chimneys.

    q2000 Elsevier Science S.A. All rights reserved."


    https://people.wou.edu/~mcgladm/robo...520Chimney.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Build in a traditional style.

    Might be surprised at the advantages.
    It WAS built in the traditional style .

    Unfortunately it was the " traditional style " of the moron builder .
    I wasn't there . My Bahts were sent there to represent me and Missy was doing a relatively simple conversion . Just replacing crappy wood walls with cement bricks . Taking off a corrugated tin roof and using cooler materials .
    But the 'cousin-builder' knew she had access to English ££ and just kept going . That's how she got all that extra floor upstairs and -- again in ' traditional style ' -- she would not confront him .

    It's the "traditional style" of a thieving lying builder .

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    You can erect the shading wall ot the outer edge of that balcony. So you have more distance and also a shading for the windows.

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    Get Somchai the retard to bang up a Shade covering that wall and then install a inverter A/C.

    Job done Wasp dude.

    Don't fook around. Cost fook all and job done

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Get Somchai the retard...
    Why not to advise him a Non-Somchai who are not supposed to be "retard", some like the one who let his head blast off when looking into the cannon barrel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I would suggest large blinds or put a verandah or even a pergola with vines along that wall. Anything that shades the wall from the sun will be much better than anything else. The heat absorption of an unshaded wall is roughly 5 times that of a shaded wall. If using trees you also get the benefit of transpiration. I assume your roof is insulated. The transmission through the wall will be approx (not knowing the size but assuming concrete) will be between 1 to 2 k/w. In other words if you turn on the A/C, around 1 plus kilowatts of your A/C cooling load is coming from that one wall.
    Have you considered the angle of the sun when it shines on the wall. A very short blind or awning may do the job as the angle of the sun maybe quite high. Awning sticking out will do the same as one sticking down.

    Misting the wall would also work. A bit more techie but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post

    Why not to advise him a Non-Somchai who are not supposed to be "retard", some like the one who let his head blast off when looking into the cannon barrel...

    Nope,

    Cant do that, Somchai only come in two colours.

    Middle of the road retarded or fookin full on Retarded.

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    Having a senior moment yesterday. Of course the quick fix is shade or awning but to fix the problem i'd go permanent and smack out the red brick infill on the walls and re-install Q Con, no need for a double skin and should be quick... relatively speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    smack out the red brick infill on the walls and re-install Q Con,
    Why to smack? (surely not so easy job). It can be left within. Just to add the new cladding with a cavity...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Why to smack? (surely not so easy job). It can be left within. Just to add the new cladding with a cavity...

    You could KD but the concrete ring beam construction with those little red bricks which are part hollow would not take much knocking out with a sledge hammer imho, i reckon you could take the infill of those two walls out in a couple of hours and then a could you clear it away in a couple more, from there drill a few holes to locate 4-5mm rebar to anchor the new block and the QCon could go up in one day. Just another thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juehoe View Post
    You can erect the shading wall ot the outer edge of that balcony. So you have more distance and also a shading for the windows.

    Not a bad idea actually .
    I lose a bit of 'solidity' in the sense that it will always flex more than being attached to the wall by fifty thousand screws ...... but it will cool down that walkway too .

    Hmmm .................

    Thank you juehoe .


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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Have you considered the angle of the sun when it shines on the wall. A very short blind or awning may do the job as the angle of the sun maybe quite high. Awning sticking out will do the same as one sticking down.
    Maybe I should look at that . A problem is I don't want any Thais back if I can avoid them .
    I'm sure there are many , many , many , many BRILLIANT Thais out there but I've only come across one and he died .
    Buying Battens and Boards and Paint is something I can do myself .
    And screwing the Battens and Boards to the wall is also in my limited range of skill .
    Getting up to the height of the eaves/roof ....... not so much .

    Neal .

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    Quote Originally Posted by [COLOR=#00ffff
    NamPikToot[/COLOR];4046295]Having a senior moment yesterday. Of course the quick fix is shade or awning but to fix the problem i'd go permanent and smack out the red brick infill on the walls and re-install Q Con, no need for a double skin and should be quick... relatively speaking.
    That's certainly an idea but its an awful lot of work .
    And mess .
    I am pleased to get ideas ....... but think how much work THAT is !?!? A day of mess to get out the old cement blocks . Another day to put in Q Cons . Mixing and hauling Cement up to the first floor . Then rendering . It's a STACK of work !!
    I can certainly attach Battens and Boards in a day ....... or maybe Venetian screening .

    I've always been stopped from moving to Thailand by the thought of having nothing to do . All day . In that heat .
    And I always quite fancied setting up a workshop with a few good machines and air-conditioning . Churning out Venetian slats would be a great activity !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasp View Post
    That's what I don't like .
    The ' cheap Charlie ' jibe for no reason at all .

    It's ' simple fix Charlie ' having to send instruction to a cousin who is not a cousin whose work is deplorable and who just might make a difference if I ask for a ' Simple Fix ' that he can not really get wrong .

    Wasp I think you are a little bit over sensitive, I didn't say you were a cheap Charlie but its an expression I use to define a cheap and as you put it simple solution, one that I think any rural Thai could knock up without stuffing it up.

    Now today you are going along trying to upset me. I suggested an awning but today someone else mentions it and they get praise what did I get?
    I also mentioned the angle of the sun t this time of the year but again someone else says about that and again praise him.
    I mentioned the "simple" solution of shading and got told off but someone else mentions it and you again lavish him with praise.

    I think its time I took my bat and ball and went home dragging my tail.

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    Mr. Wasp,
    Tear down the wall...
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