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    Did you dig out the wall foundations or just lay concrete on top of the soil.

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    Dennis
    I think you think too much. I have just had another look at the rendering you showed in Post#41 and the differnece between the 2 floor levels is not very much and I think if you zoom in on the final picture in post#75 you will see there is a difference in the "beam levels.
    I have tried to show it in the picture below.
    Also remember that when they tile floors here they don't lay it on the floor slab exactly, in my place they put down 2 to 3 inches of cement and then the tile on top of that. So there is plenty of scope to create a floor level difference.
    I think (too much) but it appears that you will require a pretty thick driveway to get up to the floor level of the car port. In the rendering I only see steps as if it is going to be a porch not a carport.
    Keep the pictures coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    Did you dig out the wall foundations or just lay concrete on top of the soil.
    I think that what you are seeing is not the actual foundations but just a non-structural “blind” layer. They would have scraped out a shallow trench then poured and leveled the concrete you are seeing. This will then be the base on which they pour the actual foundation beams, it’s just to keep the soil and concrete apart, keeping the water in the concrete mix where it should be and not draining into the soil thus weakening the concrete.
    They could have used black plastic sheeting....or they could have been really lazy and just formed the beams right on top of the soil. So doing this is a good sign !

    PS. I think Ootai right about the levels too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    Did you dig out the wall foundations or just lay concrete on top of the soil.
    Hi Mozzbie, If I understand what you're asking, what they did is level the dirt between posts then poured about 2" concrete for base, the wall beams are then formed on top of that.

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    This is a picture of the drawing that nephew and builder are discussing. I'm not good at structual drawings so correct me if I'm wrong. I see 0.00 at street level then there is slope with 0.15 my guess would be 15 cm higher than street, 0.30 or 30 cm which would be step up to house level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    I think you think too much
    Hi Ootai, You may be right but with only pictures to go by and language barrier I have to over think this and hopefully catch any mistakes before there're to late. If you look at print above I think what you see in picture on post #75 is wrong, that support beam should be 30 cm below other beam of house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikenot View Post
    I think that what you are seeing is not the actual foundations but just a non-structural “blind” layer. They would have scraped out a shallow trench then poured and leveled the concrete you are seeing. This will then be the base on which they pour the actual foundation beams, it’s just to keep the soil and concrete apart, keeping the water in the concrete mix where it should be and not draining into the soil thus weakening the concrete.
    They could have used black plastic sheeting....or they could have been really lazy and just formed the beams right on top of the soil. So doing this is a good sign !

    PS. I think Ootai right about the levels too.
    Thanks Mike, I like your explanation, but at this point I'm going to have to argue the level differences.

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    The area in front of the house to the street is for car part and patio, I know there is any where from 50 to 80 cm of fill dirt, the wall beam rebar forms must be 30 to 40 cm so that puts us at 80 cm from house floor level to street, with a 15 cm drop from house to street in 9 meters, that is workable for a patio any more would be too much of a slope IMO. I'm interested in what you guys think.
    The beams from house to front post need to be under finished concrete for patio or car park.

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    Looking at the drawing in Post#80 the way I interpret the levels is 0.00 is the level of the front on the carport floor, it may well be street level but that is irrelevant as the ground can be sloped to meet nicely at the street and the front of the carport.
    The carport floor then slopes up 0.15cm (I am assuming they are cm's) so that would give a slope of 1:40 on the carport floor. This is quite steep as water will flow at a slope of 1:100 but not really a concern.

    Then on the right side (looking from the street) there appears to be 2 steps each 0.15 high with the entrance at a level of 0.45 so 0.30 above the carport floor. Then there is another rise of 0.15 to the final house floor which is at 0.60cm above the carport floor.

    So I agree with you that it doesn't look right at this point but it may mean that they intend to place a lot of concrete to meet the required levels.

    The other explanation could be that the builder has looked at the rendering as I did and proceeded to put the beams where he thinks they go.

    Given all that all that would need to be done is to lower the 2 beams either side of the carport. But that would only be possible if as you have done is to flag the concern early.

    Do you have an elevation drawing to go with the plan drawing you posted?

    Let us know what happens and I hope it all goes well. It nearly did my head in during our build and I was there after the first few weeks.
    As an example when they were building the steps they were only going to make the tread 150mm wide which meant I would have had room for my toes so I made them make the tread 300mm wide so I could put my foot on the step/s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    Do you have an elevation drawing to go with the plan drawing you posted?
    Ootai, No I don't have updated elevation plans, the updated plans were done by nephew and I don't have a copy. We worked off originals and told him changes we wanted which he made and sent to builder.

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    Right now they have flooding going on in RoiEt, our property is high enough but very wet with all the rain. We're still waiting to hear from the builder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    As an example when they were building the steps they were only going to make the tread 150mm wide which meant I would have had room for my toes so I made them make the tread 300mm wide so I could put my foot on the step/s.
    Good point Ootai,
    I checked our plan, steps are at 28 cm, 30 would have been better but I think I can live with that, maybe if we put a wood step tread on I can increase it to 30 which will make going down the stairs much safer.

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    Looking good. Bit of a mud bog though must be tough to work in there.

    Nothing like trying to organize your project while out of town. We did it last year it was always exciting to see the pictures sent to us.

    Unless it was of something done wrong. Luckily it can always be redone most of the time anyway.

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    ^ Almost correct Dennis, judging by the two pillars on the plan the 0.00 datum is atthe front of your carport, which is not necessarily the same as street level. It’s probably best if it is well above actual street level in case they ever have to resurface and raise the road level. Then the carport goes up 15cm to the base of the house and first step. Then the steps rise in 15cm increments up to the internal floor level of +0.60 (60cm).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis4558 View Post
    Hi Mozzbie, If I understand what you're asking, what they did is level the dirt between posts then poured about 2" concrete for base, the wall beams are then formed on top of that.
    Dennis, OK understand that now. Some 5 years ago I was involved in the build of 8 two story units, the faults were plenty, A bigish one was the stairs that go to the second floor, the opening was incorrect, using these stairs you had to duck your head and im'e not tall, Just one FU of many, they wouldn't listen to me tho, im'e just a dumb ass western person. What I am saying Dennis is keep a very close eye on the build. Hey, what about this one, when they set out the foundations, it over lapped the neighbours block of land by some 40 centimeters, this again was under the watchfull eye of the site manager, bloody joke, impossible to fix, no doubt the land owner would have been compensated with substantial baht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naptownmike View Post
    Looking good. Bit of a mud bog though must be tough to work in there.

    Nothing like trying to organize your project while out of town. We did it last year it was always exciting to see the pictures sent to us.

    Unless it was of something done wrong. Luckily it can always be redone most of the time anyway.
    Hi NTM, Thanks for stopping by and commenting, It is a mud bog and I wouldn't want to be working in that, I'm guessing a lot of the work when muddy is done in bare feet.

    Trying to watch the project through pictures is frustrating, you're not the one pointing the camera so don't always get the angle you want, and the photographer is a bit lazy (daughter) so it may take a few tries to get the picture you want. She told me she don't want to get muddy. I told her to take her shoes off and wash them later, that didn't go over very good.

    So far nothing wrong that couldn't be changed.

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    Hi Mikenot,

    You're right on what the print shows but that's not what I was seeing in picture on post #75, they were laying out a beam between house and car port post.

    We talked with builder today and got it straightened out, I think he thought we didn't see what was going on until I sent him picture, he then laughed and said it was a mistake. There wasn't suppose to be concrete of rebar set up for a beam, I'm sure the next picture I see of that it will be removed. He said there should be about a 30 cm drop from car port concrete to street and they will make sure it will not be to steep.

    Later we talked to nephew (engineer) and he also confirmed that, if necessary they would knock out car port post forms and make them lower.

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    Hi Mozzbie,
    We'll try to keep an eye on it and hope nothing slips by that can't be fixed.

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    One other thing that wasn't like we asked was the level of the Thai (outdoor) kitchen, I'm not sure but I think they had it drop 15 cm below inside floor level and we had wanted it the same level. I figured it would be a safety hazard going between kitchens and having to step down or up. He tried to talk the wife into leaving it with a drop saying it would be easier to clean. I didn't figure out that reasoning. It should be an easy fix, just raise the height of the beam form, just a little more concrete but I think the easiest solution. I don't have pictures of that area yet so hope to have before and after pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis4558 View Post
    Good point Ootai,
    I checked our plan, steps are at 28 cm, 30 would have been better but I think I can live with that, maybe if we put a wood step tread on I can increase it to 30 which will make going down the stairs much safer.
    Yes another good point, Thai's are keen to make steps that you use sideways. why I dont know, I do know when you mention it they take no notice whats soever. I do envy you tho Dennis, it is what I always wanted to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozzbie47 View Post
    steps that you use sideways
    You're right there Mozzbie, I don't need to be going down steps sideways with my 12"ers

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    A little update, I got pictures of the outside kitchen, it's a 30 cm drop, that's 2 steps, I'm sure if it is left that way I would be missing 1 of the steps sooner or later.

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    As you can see rebar is partially buried in dirt so would have to dig it out anyway, my guess is they take it out and fill with dirt, any wagers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis4558 View Post
    Right now they have flooding going on in RoiEt
    We certainly do. Stopped now.
    Are you in Roiet city or elseware in province?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Are you in Roiet city or elseware in province
    Hi Norton,
    Nope, still in the states, won't be there until Jan. Hopefully about the time for finishing touches if everything goes good.

    Wife's brother lives just east and north of you, their house is flooded again, they had to move out. I think it was about 2 years ago the same happened. I seen on some news clips the high road/dike was washed out, the news interviewed brothers wife, my wife said maybe because most in that area speak Laos where she speaks both.
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    Let me rephase. Is the house in Roi Et city or elsewhere in the province.

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