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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Jabir why have you got an A/C in your basement? Mines as cool as fcuk.
    It's been there 5 years, belts and braces I suppose, hardly used and not worth the hassle to remove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Jotun Jota Armour ... available in Thailand:

    Non-slip coating for steel and concrete.
    Jota Armour provides a coarse surface with non-slip performance in wet, oily and icy conditions.
    Exceptional non-slip properties for people and equipment even when applied on a sloping ramp or walk-way.

    https://www.jotun.com/th/th/b2b/pain...ta-armour.aspx
    That looks bladdy useful, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    By the way, Jack answered the question...



    Part of my job 25 years ago used to be creating play areas for kids ()... I worked in a boarding school.

    25 Years ago.
    Which was the last time I worked with kids, repo senders.

    This is exactly what we did with the basement.

    It's by far the most practical solution.
    I took the original as tongue in cheek, but will add it to the list. Astroturf.

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    Jabs, that's whit i'd go with - the space use is transitory - keep the cost down with a focus and practicality and minimum cost - go with Norts and Nevs suggestion. Later if ideas change you ain't spunked a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    That looks bladdy useful, thanks.
    ^^^ They have an office in Chonburi that might be able to point you in the direction of a nearby supplier.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    There are issues of Astro turf and cancer

    Artificial turf that uses infill made from recycled tires (“crumb rubber”) contains a cocktail of toxic chemicals, including benzothiazole, carbon black, and heavy metals. As the Mt. ... Children have increased exposure to toxic chemicals due to the unique way they interact with their environment.
    If use of those toxins result in cheaper production for greater profit, then that's what will be palmed off in Thailand, esp if made in China. Noted, and one scale just went whoosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    A consideration, how long the kids will be playing there? The kids grow very fast, fly away as per their own ideas, not of the father's. What will be the subsequent purpose of the room?
    (Unless another batch of kids is delivered... )
    Won't be my concern but tile, granite and the chemical concoctions are all more aesthetic and useful than bare concrete.

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    Ta all, and good night.

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    Is the Thai strong with you?

    If so ... either a smooth polished concrete but, at the Farm, we are a little more Hi-So.

    Get some off-cuts of Lino
    (linoleum) and loosely lay it on the floor.

    The Cellar will stay cool. You won't get a cold arse by sitting on the concrete.

    If it rains and floods the basement, the Lino lifts ... simples

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    As for using the ramp as a slide ... encourage it. This is Thailand.
    “Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago”

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    I suggest using granito tiles mate.

    They look like real granite and I suggest you buy the 60 cm square ones.

    Boonthavorn regularly has specials on these tiles and buy white tiles as the bunker will look a lot bigger then what it is.

    And great news you have finally moved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Is the Thai strong with you?

    If so ... either a smooth polished concrete but, at the Farm, we are a little more Hi-So.

    Get some off-cuts of Lino
    (linoleum) and loosely lay it on the floor.

    The Cellar will stay cool. You won't get a cold arse by sitting on the concrete.

    If it rains and floods the basement, the Lino lifts ... simples

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    As for using the ramp as a slide ... encourage it. This is Thailand.
    Sure I don't mind going Thai occasionally on impulse, if it doesn't hurt too much.

    The village is on stilts with good drainage, and afaik there have been no reports of flooding in its 6-7 years, so the bunker should be safe from torrents. Flooding might have occurred from within through crap plumbing, but the bunker was added as a self contained storeroom extension with no direct access from the house and no water source. I'm good with that.

    Novel idea for the slide, way out of the box when we were fishing for non-slip solutions. Now one thing I'm not is a builder, and healthwise fine for pointing and barking orders though not in shape to lift/shift or much else along those lines. Gets me thinking back to the good old days, just yesterday when it looked simple enough, head was clearing and all I needed to do was choose which tiles for the different bunker parts. Then the granite angle grew into a maze with a bunch more combo options, so I turned to the lads for help in plotting an exit route; and just as we're getting there you've gone and muddied the chart with your Thai thing, a slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    the bunker should be safe from torrents.
    But is it proof against the water table? My basement was okay for the first few years. Dry as a desert. Then one year we had terrible rains and the water table rose. My 'bunker' filled up accordingly.
    The builder did not do the bunker concrete pour in one go. Recommended. Another way of doing it is to use rubber jointing strips. He didn't use any and the water came in through joints. What to do? I dug a large sump hole and line it with concrete rings. Then I installed a submersible pump with a float switch. Later I laid pipes to the sump and now it drains naturally. Did it all myself as I have no trust in Somchai when it comes to thinking on the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    I suggest using granito tiles mate.

    They look like real granite and I suggest you buy the 60 cm square ones.

    Boonthavorn regularly has specials on these tiles and buy white tiles as the bunker will look a lot bigger then what it is.

    And great news you have finally moved in.
    Lots of ideas so far, most pointing sensibly at KISS and moderation over unnecessary expense.

    Boonthavorn is on my bucket list for the day; I did intend to keep it bright with a yuge mirror behind the chair stack but that's cosmetic and can be done later.

    Plan is for a slow migration and make it official with the washing machine, after disruptive works are completed; as it stands that is down to the bunker, though it is separate from the house. No hurry.

    Some things we take for granted, which we shouldn't. Been beating myself up for doing all the prep and going through the place methodically with list in hand, and failing to notice that although every bedroom has loads of cupboard space none have any fcuking drawers! Where drawers should be is empty space. Not just that but I also missed the clues, in an unusual number of free standing shelves throughout; my very bad. Not the end of the world, just need to choose between having drawers built to order and or ready made drawer sets to fill the gaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    But is it proof against the water table? My basement was okay for the first few years. Dry as a desert. Then one year we had terrible rains and the water table rose. My 'bunker' filled up accordingly.
    The builder did not do the bunker concrete pour in one go. Recommended. Another way of doing it is to use rubber jointing strips. He didn't use any and the water came in through joints. What to do? I dug a large sump hole and line it with concrete rings. Then I installed a submersible pump with a float switch. Later I laid pipes to the sump and now it drains naturally. Did it all myself as I have no trust in Somchai when it comes to thinking on the move.
    Suddenly I hope we're not neighbours.

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    Jabir I forgot to tell you what a concrete joint is called in case you want to look it up. I was employed as a groundworker and even I forgot to ask the builder how he was going to do the concreting. I assumed he'd know. Apparently not. When concreting in more than one pour it's known as a 'cold joint' and needs to be done if the room is a basement. Leaking usually doesn't happen until after about 3 years of doing.

    A cold joint is a plane of weakness in concrete caused by an interruption or delay in the concreting operations. It occurs when the first batch of concrete has begun to set before the next batch is added, so that the two batches do not intermix.
    https://www.concreteconstruction.net.../cold-joints_o
    Last edited by Pragmatic; 02-08-2019 at 11:08 AM.

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    If your going the Granite way, then on the step & the ramp, I would get the granite tile grit blasted before laying.


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    I am using local granite (Prachuap Kiri Khan) for about 500 THB/sqm in my office (shophouse) for the floor and the bathroom walls. It is very sturdy. I personally like the look. The main problem was, that my craftsman didn't made proper seams. They are little bit too narrow and the contractor made not a proper waterproofing. I am considering granite for my new house again - not for all surfaces, but at least for the main floors.

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    KISS

    Lino ... it's the way to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    The village is on stilts with good drainage, and afaik there have been no reports of flooding in its 6-7 years, so the bunker should be safe from torrents.
    Plan for the worst and hope for the best - the village on stilts is fairly good indication of flood risk i'd say. Prag's advice is good ref a pump etc.

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    Polished concrte Skim it with some cement and glue mix bit of black dye powder. scattered over it and rub it in....apply like a render

    Apply Toa clear for floors once it drys like they do in bars and let them wreck the joint ...tiles will be socaproc in a week

    Then when they can look after things then spend money on it

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    Why go to the expense of granite or even tile for a utilitarian space like this? If kids are going to play here use some kind of indoor/outdoor carpet.

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    1,Fill it full of plastic balls and let the kids have a mega ball pool.
    2, a football net at the far end and green carpet.
    3, Man cave.
    4, Dungeon

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