Thread: Seriously .... no muckin about .

Hello Betty, good to hear your dulcet tones again.

If Wasp were to take Crepitas's excellent suggestion of building some type of space frame, truss affair on top of the pillars, thereby allowing him to remove the central pillar, he might even have a spare Roman King that he could donate to the Parthenon as, truth be told, theirs are getting a bit old.

Of course Betty I do realise that some people enjoy having random pillars in their rooms, so the suggestion is clearly not for everyone.

This is feeling like I've stepped through a Timewarp.



Wasp

Wasp, looking at the back pillars in the photo below it seems that you have pre-formed concrete posts with stepped tops that are specifically designed for bits of wood to be bolted directly onto them:



All you would need to do is unbolt your existing ceiling at the top of the concrete part of the posts, change the original wooden bit of the post with a longer one then rebolt your ceiling back on again.

In most places raising a roof might cause structural concerns, but as we all know the laws of physics are different in Thailand. As long as your brother in law agrees it'll work then I reckon you're good to go.

^ just to clarify, the back pillars I'm referring to are the two concrete ones, not to be confused with the two pillocks holding up the roof beams behind (one of whom appears to have wandered off for something or other).

Originally Posted by Roobarb

All you would need to do is unbolt your existing ceiling at the top of the concrete part of the posts, change the original wooden bit of the post with a longer one then rebolt your ceiling back on again.

39 Minutes and 5 posts ago ↑↑↑↑↑ that's exactly what I asked .

Is it your feeling , as a master of timber construction , that I can remove pieces which are 300mm in length and replace them with pieces that will be 1500mm in length ?

With perhaps a bit of bracing ?


Wasp

...... and it's nice to see you again .
Now where's Marmite ? And Koman ? ..... and Ootai.

Originally Posted by Roobarb

^ ...... not to be confused with the two pillocks holding up the roof beams (one of whom appears to have wandered off for something or other).

I recall he was in a huff because no-one had brought a nail onto which he could hang his little blue plastic bag.


Wasp

Give me strength! You can bodge it up anyway you like, it will probably never fall down. But why not do things properly in the first place, it doesn't cost much more. I am still astounded at the bollocks we see here after all these years, and please get the jargon correct. They are fucking columns, right?
We are not Romans.

They are ' Roman Kings ' .

You are way out of date .

And in a pissy mood too !


Wasp

Originally Posted by Wasp

Is it your feeling , as a master of timber construction , that I can remove pieces which are 300mm in length and replace them with pieces that will be 1500mm in length ?

Ummmm, well, possibly.

Originally Posted by Wasp

With perhaps a bit of bracing ?

Perhaps some bracing would be a good idea, yes indeed.

In terms of supporting the roof against the forces of gravity you can make the extensions as long as you like really. It's the wind, Somchai reversing his pickup truck into a post or the like that may exert a sideways force on the structure that you need to be a bit more wary of.

The roof is bolted onto the house on one side so firmly attaching it to the tops of the outer posts will stop them being able to move towards or away from the house. Some cross bracing between the outer posts may help give the structure a bit of strength and stop the posts from being able to move from side to side.

Really it depends on how good the current foundations are. Given they are unlikely to have benefitted from architectural planning before they were laid it's all a bit of a lottery really. Personally I'd bodge it as above, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Wasp

..... and it's nice to see you again .

Thank you

Originally Posted by blockhead

I am still astounded at the bollocks we see here after all these years.

Hmmm . " After all these years " ???

You have a grand total of 11 posts .
All in different Threads !

Methinks you like to share your misery.
Try writing a Thread instead.To entertain us.



Wasp

Originally Posted by Roobarb

Originally Posted by blockhead

Give me strength! You can bodge it up anyway you like, it will probably never fall down.

My advice therefore stands

Originally Posted by blockhead

But why not do things properly in the first place, it doesn't cost much more.

Goodness Wasp, I believe the man has a point. Shame he gave no indication as to what doing it properly would entail.

Originally Posted by blockhead

I am still astounded at the bollocks we see here after all these years,

It's a Thai building thread so I'm not too sure on the relevance here.

The internet does cater to all tastes though. I'm not judging, each to their own I say.

Originally Posted by blockhead

and please get the jargon correct. They are fucking columns, right?
We are not Romans.

Vandal...!

Genuinely .......I've missed this style of writing.



Wasp

As Neal has done there should be successful
That's as good as any, I would probably look at box section steel plate , but maybe I over engineer things.

I think the cross bracing is the most important thing.
In Canada; things like decks and carports use posts that just sit in steel saddles sunk into concrete, relying on the bracing to keep the lot from falling over. Look around at any factory structure or western wood frame building..the do not rely on uprights for rigidity.

As a simple example look at a cardboard box..not framing yet very strong.

When we were building our pole home the whole structure moved in high winds scaring the shit out the labourers and myself (concrete roof tiles already in place) ; as soon as the concrete window lintels, upper floor,walls etc joining the poles were all in place I/we began to breath easier. No poles in the middle of the living area..555

Originally Posted by crepitas

I think the cross bracing is the most important thing.
In Canada; things like decks and carports use posts that just sit in steel saddles sunk into concrete, relying on the bracing to keep the lot from falling over. Look around at any factory structure or western wood frame building..the do not rely on uprights for rigidity.

As a simple example look at a cardboard box..not framing yet very strong.

When we were building our pole home the whole structure moved in high winds scaring the shit out the labourers and myself (concrete roof tiles already in place) ; as soon as the concrete window lintels, upper floor,walls etc joining the poles were all in place I/we began to breath easier. No poles in the middle of the living area..555

Yet, this ain't Canada or the West.

Damn, totally forgot, a thought:
SIL had a lean-to sitting area built onto the front of MIL’s house the approximate same size as your extension.
Just three plain concrete poles across front, same height and width as house roof, substantial wooden beams, corrugated cement roof, open, no walls…ergo perhaps a touch overkill …so many concrete poles..?

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by crepitas

I think the cross bracing is the most important thing.
In Canada; things like decks and carports use posts that just sit in steel saddles sunk into concrete, relying on the bracing to keep the lot from falling over. Look around at any factory structure or western wood frame building..the do not rely on uprights for rigidity.

As a simple example look at a cardboard box..not framing yet very strong.

When we were building our pole home the whole structure moved in high winds scaring the shit out the labourers and myself (concrete roof tiles already in place) ; as soon as the concrete window lintels, upper floor,walls etc joining the poles were all in place I/we began to breath easier. No poles in the middle of the living area..555

Yet, this ain't Canada or the West.

Thank you for your most valuable observation Thaimeme.
Perhaps it behooves me to point out that this is, after all, a construction thread, not geography 101. Please do make an small effort to keep up.
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[quote=crepitas;3202415]Damn, totally forgot, a thought:
SIL had a lean-to sitting area built onto the front of MIL’s house the approximate same size as your extension.
Just three plain concrete poles across front, same height and width as house roof, substantial wooden beams, corrugated cement roof, open, no walls…ergo perhaps a touch overkill …

Oh dear..Drunken Farang..Seems the roof of the extension is peaked following the roof line of the house.

creppy ...... ?????

Based on what I've been told here and on thaimeme's guarantee that this is not Canada I think this is how I must go .

Thank you peoples .



Wasp

Looks like a reasonable plan Wasp.

Good Luck

Originally Posted by Wasp

Based on what I've been told here and on thaimeme's guarantee that this is not Canada I think this is how I must go .

Thank you peoples .

Wasp

As explained in the other thread, DON'T DO IT!!! It's the worst solution, as you're making the weakest point even weaker - probably so weak that you'd be able to snap it off with your bare hands.

I accept your wisdom John.

I do .



Wasp