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    Amongst gamers, intel are outselling AMD by at least 3-1. Many were excited by the promise of the new chips, but have gone back to Intel, as they just dont seem to be able to get on with AMD anymore. Its a shame really, as a few years ago anyone who wanted a gaming machine went for AMD. Ask any custom PC company, and you`ll get the same answer. Im not saying AMD are crap at all, its just that Intel are leading the market amongst gamers at the moment.
    Ive had a few AMD based machines in the past, and never had a problem, but speaking to guys in the industry, it seems they are getting a lot of returns or unfavourable feedback. Personally, I`d like to see AMD become the market leader again in the future, but I think thats some time off yet.
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    I just bought a new laptop with an i7 2.2 (boost up to 3.1) with 8GB of RAM and a pretty good video card- I think it will make a decent gamer.

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    Never been a fan of laptops as gaming machines. Not for playing the latest games on hi res anyway. I believe it takes away the gaming experience. Each to their own though.

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    I didn't buy it for gaming (it's for the wife for work) but I spec'd it higher than she needed (15.6" HD screen, i.e.) so I could play with it.

    I agree with you- I will spec-out a gaming desktop in a couple of months.
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    ^ Yep , you got a sweet portable gaming machine. That's the beauty of i7 - the graphics that can fit in a laptop.

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    Theres been a lot of issues regarding liquid cooling. when it works, its superb. However, there have been lots of returns with systems that have LC. Dont believe me, ask K1Klass here. He works in the "boutique PC" industry.

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    ^id stay away from cool it products, this includes the corsair water coolers as they are made by cool it, we have had a lot of bad ones and they have done a product re-call recently they are also issues with the new asus efi bios's when the pump is run off a motherboard 3/4pin header.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    I just bought a new laptop with an i7 2.2 (boost up to 3.1) with 8GB of RAM and a pretty good video card- I think it will make a decent gamer.
    That sounds a nice bit of kit mate , I wonder how heavy it is for a lappy .

    CM you mentioned in the OP about using your nice TV and sound system ,, probably seems an obvious thing to say , but make sure your new machine has an HDMI port built in to take full advantage.

    If you really wanna break the bank hoe about goin for a SSD , no heat and loads a speed
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    So Mao, what have you decided after all the feedback here? Doubtless you've also checked out the interwebs, PC forums, etc?

    Perhaps a highschool homework assistant website is what you need to do your reasearch

    Let us know what you decide, don't keep us hanging on!

    I'm interested on hearing feedback from this new intel chip, looks like we'll have to wait a while though...

    Intel's Ivy Bridge CPU Launch Slips to March 2012
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    Power users were hoping to get their hands on Intel's Ivy Bridge silicon by the end of the year, the time frame the Santa Clara chip maker originally gave for the successor to its existing Sandy Bridge CPUs. Now we're hearing that users will have to wait until March 2012 in order to give notebook vendors more time to sell their existing Sandy Bridge systems.

    According to news and rumor site DigiTimes, Intel's 6-series chipset design flaw back at the beginning of the year ultimately left OEMs holding the bag with two months of lower demand. Combined with tablet PCs cutting into notebook demand, Intel has decided to throw vendors a bone by delaying the launch until next year, giving them more time to clear existing inventory and allow for a more gradual transition.

    Ivy Bridge represents Intel's first foray into 22nm 3D transistor technology and is supposed to offer up to 30 percent better graphics performance and 20 percent better CPU performance compared to current Sandy Bridge parts.
    Maximum PC | Intel's Ivy Bridge CPU Launch Slips to March 2012

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    Maybe this is why they're flogging off i5, i7 laptops so cheap. Thinking of buying a big size i7 laptop myself but will wait and see. The 2 year old 13 aint cutting it. Android tabs could well fill my laptop needs in the next year or so, apart from a quality gaming experience of course.

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    ^ I haven't decided yet.

    Lots of good info though, so cheers.

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    Cool, be sure to let us know then eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim View Post
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    First off let me start by saying that PC gaming is the top of the pack. Consoles have grown long in the tooth and can not hope to compare. BF3 and most new games have been optimized for the PC first and ported to the consoles. Any game that is ported to PC will have junk graphics as the PC is vastly superior to consoles it was the day they came out and everyday after.

    Get a core i5 2600k as the minimum, at least 8 gigs of ddr3 ram, an ati 5800 series video card at the minimum. I would also recommend an SSD drive solely for running your OS and apps. Then a separate media drive for video, music etc..
    I`d go with something similar to this build. i5 2500k was tested against an i7 2600 a few months ago in PC Pro magazine, and with the massive overclocking ability of the 2500k, it ended being level, if not better than the i7 (also cheaper). The only change i`d make is the graphics card. My personal choice would be an NVIDIA 2Gb GTX560Ti, which should make you future proof for reasonable amount of time. If money is no object then a GTX590.
    The video card was just a minimum. I have a 5850 that I still use and will be upgrading in the near future. But it runs fine in BF3 and Skyrim. I am able to run BF3 on high settings perfectly and Skyrim is maxed out with no issues.

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    ^ Not the impression I got when deciding between i5 - i7 or phenom x6. The AMD was a no brainer if running a decent cooling system and that video card you like (see pic in previous post), going off the research I did into it.
    Dude are you serious? The AMD is not even in the same league as the Sandybridge proc's. The 2500k is an overclocking monster. The intel chips blow the AMD out of the water. I was a loyal AMD customer for years but had no choice but to go Intel with my last build.

    There is just no comparison.

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    ^ Yeah I'm starting to think maybe a mistake, though the machine runs fine. Perhaps the info I read up on was biased - gamers being loyal to AMD etc.

    Running all the latest games though, BF3, MW3, AoC, SkidRow3, all on full spec, never miss a beat.

    What is it that makes the Sandy bridge intels so much better than the AMD phenoms? The AMD was quite a bit cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    I just bought a new laptop with an i7 2.2 (boost up to 3.1) with 8GB of RAM and a pretty good video card- I think it will make a decent gamer.
    That sounds a nice bit of kit mate , I wonder how heavy it is for a lappy .

    CM you mentioned in the OP about using your nice TV and sound system ,, probably seems an obvious thing to say , but make sure your new machine has an HDMI port built in to take full advantage.

    If you really wanna break the bank hoe about goin for a SSD , no heat and loads a speed
    Pretty much any HD laptop has an HDMI port- with torrents so popular everybody wants one.

    It's not lightweight at close to 2.5kg, but that wasn't a big issue as she only needs basic portability from the house to the car.

    I wanted to stay as close to $1,000 (30K baht) as possible, which meant it had to have a bit of heft- an SSD added way too much to the cost- I ended up paying 35K with a RAM upgrade and legit Windows 7 64-bit, which was a good deal for the screen and specs it has.

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    ^ Yeah that's a good deal. Worth the 35K with SSD. How big is the SSD?

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    ^^^ Its the system architecture, Turbo boost (overclocking built right on the chip), and Hyperthreading that make the difference. They overclock like beasts and are super stable. Intel went the extra mile to win over gamers by making the chips super easy to overclock.

    When Sandy bridge came out it really showed how far AMD had fallen behind. Intel is going to push the envelope again as it is going to release the next generation chips Ivy bridge in Q2 2012. They will shrink the form factor yet again from 32nm to 22nm.

    Don't expect AMD to catch up anytime soon.

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    ^^

    It doesn't have an SSD- only a couple of laptops at Pantip had them and they were close to 100K- that was just too much for her needs and my wallet. ..

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    ^ If I'm not mistaken I think he said the SSD option was too much

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Its the system architecture, Turbo boost (overclocking built right on the chip), and Hyperthreading that make the difference. They overclock like beasts and are super stable. Intel went the extra mile to win over gamers by making the chips super easy to overclock.

    When Sandy bridge came out it really showed how far AMD had fallen behind. Intel is going to push the envelope again as it is going to release the next generation chips Ivy bridge in Q2 2012. They will shrink the form factor yet again from 32nm to 22nm.

    Don't expect AMD to catch up anytime soon.
    No problems overclocking my X6 from 2.8 to 3.3 but required an expensive cooling system.

    I'm real keen on to try out the Ivy Bridge. It does look like it will shit all over AMD.

    I'm still convinced that I get more processing power out of an overclocked phenom x6 than a stock i5. I only have a vague understanding of this hyperthreading technology.

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    Here is my last build the video card will need to be upgraded soon. But I think I will hold out for the Ivy bridge proc's before I upgrade again;


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    ^^^ OK gotcha, 35K is still ok for that machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999
    I'm still convinced that I get more processing power out of an overclocked phenom x6 than a stock i5.
    You do for sure but when I overclock my i5 it is see ya later time. I am overclocked at 4.5ghz right now and totally stable.

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