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    Microsoft to start locking up illegal OS

    Windows Vista will have new antipiracy technology that locks people out their PCs if the operating system isn't activated within 30 days after installation. If Vista is not activated with a legitimate product registration key in time, the system will run in "reduced functionality mode" until it is activated, said Thomas Lindeman, a senior product manager at Microsoft. In this mode, people will be able to use a Web browser for up to an hour, after which time the system will log them out, he said.
    The new technology is part of Microsoft's new "Software Protection Platform," which the company plans to announce on Wednesday. It will be part of future versions of all Microsoft products, but debuts in Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn," said Cori Hartje, director of Microsoft's Windows Genuine Software Initiative. Vista, the successor to Windows XP, is slated to be broadly available in January.
    Microsoft has escalated its battle with software pirates during the past two years through the "Genuine Advantage" add-ons for Windows and Office, its biggest cash cows. The company is now expanding its push by baking antipiracy features into its new products and taking more drastic action when it finds that a product was illegitimately acquired.
    Many users shouldn't be confronted by Vista's antipiracy technology, however. People who buy a PC with Vista installed from companies such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard and Gateway, for example, should find the operating system activated already.
    "Everything is going to be good to go right out of the box," Hartje said. "This is more for those who install after the fact."
    Those who install Vista themselves, for example on existing PCs, will have a 30-day period to activate the operating system and validate with Microsoft that they have a legitimate license. "During those 30 days, you get warning messages, it counts down. During the last three days they get very frequent," Lindeman said.
    If ignored, after 30 days Vista will display four options. The first will allow the user to activate online, the second is to run in reduced functionality mode, the third is to enter a product key and the fourth displays instructions to activate by phone, Lindeman said.
    "In reduced functionality mode, we will let you use your browser for periods of up to an hour before we log you off," Lindeman said.
    Barring people from using their PC is a significant change from the antipiracy features that Microsoft bolted on to Windows XP with Windows Genuine Advantage. In XP, the piracy-busting features only put a block on downloading additional programs from Microsoft's Web sites.
    Windows XP also included product activation, but people could still use their machine in "safe mode" if the operating system was not activated. Moreover, no activation was required if a volume license key was used, the most popular way of pirating Windows. Starting with Vista, Microsoft will no longer give out those types of license keys, which are typically used by larger organizations.
    "Piracy is one of the most significant problems facing the software industry," Hartje said. More than a third of all software installed last year was pirated or unlicensed, she said, citing figures from the Business Software Alliance, a software industry group.
    Microsoft will continue to check if Vista was legitimately acquired, even after activation. This happens, for example, when downloading additional Microsoft programs. Should a license key be deemed illegitimate, the user will be given another 30-day grace period to acquire a legitimate license key, Microsoft said.
    During this grace period warnings will be displayed and Vista will block access to the Windows Defender antispyware tool, ReadyBoost memory expansion feature and Aero advanced graphics option, Microsoft said. Also, a persistent text will display in the lower right hand of the screen: "This copy of Windows is not genuine."
    If Vista is not validated after the 30 days, the user will again be locked out.
    As part of the increased effort to make it harder to pirate its products, Microsoft is also changing the way businesses license its software. New licensing systems will replace the current volume license keys, which have been widely abused, Hartje said. "Fifty percent of the piracy, we think, uses keys issued to volume licensing customers," she said.
    Volume license keys are registration codes for products that Microsoft gives out to large organizations in plain text. One key can be used to activate and run an unlimited number of copies of the product, for example Windows XP or Office XP.
    Starting with Vista, Microsoft will offer two different types of keys and offer three different ways to distribute them within an organization. In all cases, some more work will be required on the part of the technology department at a company.
    "They will just need to do a little extra planning," Hartje said.
    The first type of product key to replace the current system is called "multiple activation key," or MAK. An IT pro at a company can install a key on a machine that will then need to be validated online. Alternatively a proxy can be set up centrally to activate multiple systems at once, according to Microsoft.
    The second licensing option is called "key management service," or KMS. This requires the organization to set up a KMS service on the corporate network that will activate client machines. The Vista PCs will silently find the KMS service and activate, according to Microsoft.
    It may seem like businesses will have to count all their licenses, but it's really not as bad as it sounds, said Michael Silver, an analyst with Gartner.
    "It has nothing to do with license counting right now, but companies will need to expend time and effort and some money to administer this, in the name of helping Microsoft recoup revenue lost to piracy," he said. "There needs to be more of a benefit (for customers). Linux and Mac communities will try to make hay with this, but this will not be the tipping point."

    Microsoft to lock pirates out of Vista PCs

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    Just makes my Mac look that much better.

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    ^Yep, MS are doing all they can to help the Mac and Linux market

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    I am happy with Windows 2000 and WinXP

    Why would I need another PC with 2Ghz CPU and 1GB RAM to run another pretty Windows interface ?

    I don't expect many people to upgrade except the corporate whores.

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    I won't and I've had the opportunity to beta test and use RC1 and RC2. I've been dealing with computers for over 10 years and I see not one reason to upgrade. I was excited when XP came out as it was a definate improvement over 9x (since 2000 didn't play games so well).

    There isn't one single thing in Vista that my computer will do better, faster, or more secure than how I use it now.

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    I thought the way that Vista did graphics meant that it was significantly faster? Also, if a program crashes, it doesn't bring down the whole system like it can do on XP.

    I'm still tempted to look at Linux, just for the performance increases, as long as I can run Photoshop on it.

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    The main difference in graphics abilities refers to the abandonment of applications drawing directly to the screen and instead using DirectX capabilities of the installed graphics card. In reality this means shiny translucent MacOS X style icons, windows, etc.

    What I hate the most is that things that have been consistent since day one from Windows 95-XP are now moved around, changed, and even missing (referring to control panels, access to them, location, etc.). Just fucking stupid to move or change things like that. Right-clicking on the desktop has always brought you to the display settings CP. Now it doesn't, for example.

    The only improvement I've seen in my personal use is that if I hit my MP3 directory it loads faster. In XP it hangs for several minutes because there's so many files to access. Even the implimentation of the OS X 'look' is half baked.

    This will give you a rundown of everything:

    Features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    From what I hear the most important useful improvements apply to those who manage networks or LANs.

    For the average end user? Not much.

    If you're going to futz with Linux why not OSX?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    If you're going to futz with Linux why not OSX?
    Because I have a PC, not a Mac.

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    Well the 150 baht copies of Vista i have seen dont have any of this log out bullshit and I have been using it way longer than 30 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by surasak
    If you're going to futz with Linux why not OSX?
    Because I have a PC, not a Mac.
    What are your specs? There are OSX for Intel torrents out there.

    You are aware, of course, that the new Macs are actually Intel-based and you can install XP natively on them as well?

    There's really no such thing hardware-wise as a 'Mac' any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helicopter View Post
    Well the 150 baht copies of Vista i have seen dont have any of this log out bullshit and I have been using it way longer than 30 days.
    You paid for Vista? It was free. The beta copies are haXOreD to take out the logout crap. It remains to be seen if the final will be hacked or not.

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    So, you're saying that I can install OSX on my AMD Athlon PC? It's an XP2600 or similar.

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    If it's an AthlonXP no because the AthlonXP doesn't have SSE2 or SSE3 capabilities. I don't recall that any Socket A processors support those instruction sets.

    In that case I don't think it works under VMware either.

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    OSX sits on top of a unix clone OS, as I understand - FreeBSD.

    Perhaps Linux could offer a platform on top of which OSX could be run? There will probably be something like that around in OS software...

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    Why bother with that? The end result is a bunch of work for the same outcome.

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    Just download OpenSuse & you're in business... at THB 0... Does need a little TLC though...

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    I just want a stable, easy to use platform that can run all my essential software. I'll prolly hassle friscofrankie to sort it out for me (when he stops working).

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    You could do like this as well:



    I use XP for my main OS with OSX and others as virtual machines. I do have a hard drive that I swap my main hard drive with that has other native installs as well.

    Stable, easy to use? XP or OSX.

    I guess it depends if you think on getting a newer PC or not. Vista isn't going to work well in terms of performance if you have an older Athlon.

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    fuck, how can you run OSX from VMWARE ?

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    Meaning?

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    well, how can you have VMWARE run OSX ???

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    Seriously?

    There's a torrent floating around. You simply need a beefy machine (like a 3GHz P4 or Athlon64 with a Venice core or better to run it) and a few modifications to the VMX file.

    Here's a fun one for you:


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    holly fucking shit BeOS

    I haven't seen that one for a while.

    But how do you resolve OSX on VMWARE CPU architecture ? can they emulate PowerPC ? or is it the OSX Intel version you are running ?

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    btw, which version of VMWARE is that ?

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    VMware 5.5

    This is the x86 version of 10.4.6

    Fucking BeOS rocked in its day. I remember how pissed off I was when TEH STEVE was bought by Apple and Amelio instead of Be. I still have my Power Computing clone.

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