Thread: iPhone / Android -- what's your apps?

As I said, more lies, and more fudging.

You're just really falling apart, aren't you? Are you gonna start calling us 'gay' and 'iTards', next?

You're just really falling apart, aren't you? Are you gonna start calling us 'gay' and 'iTards', next?

Who's us? Do you have multiple personality disorder as well?

Or are you trying to hide behind your "buddies"?

Oh, right, you had to call one of yours in, out of desperation, didn't you?

Seriously, like I pointed out, you're just falling apart at this point.

Let me try and make it clearer.

Quote from Daffy:
As we've shown, it applies to you - unless you can pony up a link to substantiate your allegation that I lie? What's that? Silence?

Can't you read, Daffy? It says BILLSHRINK.COM in big letters. I think all that masturbating has ruined your eyesight.

There, even you can't miss that.

- you claim iPhone plans engage in Cartel pricing and price gouging, using O2 as an example.
- I show that O2 smartphone and iPhone plans are nearly identical, if anything, giving iPhone users an advantage by providing more for the same price.
- you suddenly no longer mention O2 and introduce bill shrink, which compares just US carriers (incidentally, of which AT&T is nit the most expensive either, and which also shows that Android phones pay more)

Like I said, not only are you a liar, but when called on your lie, you run away and throw more lies around. Really pathetic.

So, Barracuda, while this diatribe about 'Cartel Pricing' is amusing (and certainly goes along with your other thread about Google conspiracies), this thread is about what apps people have on their phones -- and guess what, despite having an Android phone (as you claim, at least) you've been pretty silent about what apps you have installed, and what apps you use on your AppPhone.

Why is that?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

So, Barracuda, while this diatribe about 'Cartel Pricing' is amusing (and certainly goes along with your other thread about Google conspiracies), this thread is about what apps people have on their phones -- and guess what, despite having an Android phone (as you claim, at least) you've been pretty silent about what apps you have installed, and what apps you use on your AppPhone.

Why is that?

WTF Daffy get yourself down to Beautiful Optic and read

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^ Then I'm confused, as I don't understand what you continue diatribing and monologuing on about...?

I mean, I'm all in favor of discussing your obsession about pricing disparities, but it's certainly disingenuous on your part that when your made up assumptions are dissected, that you tuck your tail and run, abandoning your earlier argumentative points, and throw up entirely unrelated points (which, incidentally, still continue to contradict your statement).

What about blue tooth?
And what is android?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

^ Then I'm confused, as I don't understand what you continue diatribing and monologuing on about...?

I mean, I'm all in favor of discussing your obsession about pricing disparities, but it's certainly disingenuous on your part that when your made up assumptions are dissected, that you tuck your tail and run, abandoning your earlier argumentative points, and throw up entirely unrelated points (which, incidentally, still continue to contradict your statement).

Maybe I'm missing something here, but in your words:

this thread is about what apps people have on their phones -- and guess what, despite having an Android phone (as you claim, at least) you've been pretty silent about what apps you have installed, and what apps you use on your AppPhone.

So I've pointed out that you missed my post on the subject, and then you come back with this bullshit? Nice attempt at a dodge. Actually not, just witless straw clutching, really.

Regarding O2 and Vodafone pricing in the UK, they were admittedly preliminary, so it doesn't surprise me that as we get nearer there are adjustments. Once the new iToy is out, and one of the consumer associations does a review, I'll post that here as well. And it will turn out that the iPhone is more expensive. I gave the caveat that the Billshrink.com figures were not based on iPhone 4, so again, we'll see what happens when they do a revision.

However, the evidence I have provided supports the notion that cost of ownership of an iPhone is more expensive than most Android phones. Of course now you can come back and say why it's worth it, that's your choice, but it is merely an opinion and you have the right to voice it.

But for f*ck's sake do you think you could read all the posts in the thread before you start accusing people of being evasive?

Now that you've (hopefully) read which Android apps I use, would you care to comment on any specifics?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Regarding O2 and Vodafone pricing in the UK, they were admittedly preliminary, so it doesn't surprise me that as we get nearer there are adjustments. Once the new iToy is out, and one of the consumer associations does a review, I'll post that here as well. And it will turn out that the iPhone is more expensive. I gave the caveat that the Billshrink.com figures were not based on iPhone 4, so again, we'll see what happens when they do a revision.

Nice try -- but you were arguing from a position of 'up to this point' that iPhone OPERATING COSTS were more expensive - trying to weasel out now and claiming "Well, those prices are changing all the time, so..." is rather silly, particularly when the prices quoted by me have been in place for at least a year, if not more.

One thing O2 *has* added recently, was a pre-pay card, with an iPhone plan as a bolt-on, for £10 a month, with unlimited data (wifi would cost extra), which again is a great deal, and identical to the data plans for other smartphones.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

However, the evidence I have provided supports the notion that cost of ownership of an iPhone is more expensive than most Android phones. Of course now you can come back and say why it's worth it, that's your choice, but it is merely an opinion and you have the right to voice it.

Now you come back and claim you are talking about COST OF OWNERSHIP (in which case you are now including the cost of the phone).

Well, of course so - but so are costs of ownership when you compared a high-end HTC phone, versus a low-end Nokia. The only difference between those is the initial cost of purchase. Whereas you can purchase the average Android phone for $400, and the average iPhone will set you back $600, marking a $200 difference, between both worlds.

Sure, at that point it comes down to a question if it is worth to the consumer paying the $200 difference for the advantages and benefits that an iPhone brings -- an equation that only holds true if said consumer decides to purchase the iPhone (or HTC Android phone) outside of a contract. Once under an 18 months contract, either can be 'owned' for as little as 'Free' or an average cost of about $100.

The issue you raised was about CARTEL PRICING, ie an agreement amongst carriers/providers to keep iPhone plan prices artificially inflated, resulting in alleged extra high operating costs for iPhones versus other smartphones -- and allegation of yours that I have proven to be wrong, on your part, but which you are now backpedaling from.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Now that you've (hopefully) read which Android apps I use, would you care to comment on any specifics?

So you can go off topic, again?

Originally Posted by Dug

What about blue tooth?
And what is android?

Android is a free operating system, developed by Google, specifically for mobile devices.

Unlike Jobs vice-like grip on iPhones, where he virtually dictates what you can and cannot do, it is open for developers and cheap to license for phone manufacturers, and has therefore leapt into 3rd place in popularity in less than two years, and is now available on a multitude of phones from different manufacturers, with more models coming out all the time. Version 2.2 of the OS is due for release any time soon, which apparently gives it a big performance boost and adds a load of new features.

In under two years it's application store jumped from 0 to over 50,000 and the GetJar 50,000-strong application pool is about to be added to it (with some duplication, no doubt).

It's already taken over 2nd place in US smartphone sales behind RIM and the Blackberry (although there will probably be a brief swapping of places with Apple when the iPhone 4 comes out).

I'm using v2.1 of Android and it's extremely easy to use and very functional. I'm not sure I'll ever both with a Nokia again, and unless the upcoming Windows Mobile 7 blows my socks off I won't use that either.

I don't use iPhones because I don't intend to have Steve Jobs decide what I can and cannot do on my phone.

The beauty of Android is that you don't have to pay $500+ to get the top of the range version. If you don't use GPS, or an 8MP digital camera on your phone, you can find much cheaper models and still have access to the same applications.

and allegation of yours that I have proven to be wrong, on your part, but which you are now backpedaling from.

No you haven't. You've found a cheap deal du jour. As I told you, unlimited data plans are going out of the window (admittedly not because of the iPhone).

So you can go off topic, again?

Except for the fact that you brought it, ya dumb shit:

How's this work, if the iPhone plans offered are usually unlimited, or high capacity ones?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I don't use iPhones because I don't intend to have Steve Jobs decide what I can and cannot do on my phone.

Perfectly fair decision, yet you do seem to have less of an issue with Google deciding what you can and cannot have on your Android phone? After all, did you not allege that Google conspired to keep Skype off your Android phone?

So far, there seems to be little that 'Steve Jobs keeps off my iPhone' that matters. Can you think of anything?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The beauty of Android is that you don't have to pay $500+ to get the top of the range version. If you don't use GPS, or an 8MP digital camera on your phone, you can find much cheaper models and still have access to the same applications.

Last I checked Apple's business model gave you that same flexibility, as they always take the prior year's high-end model, and turn it into this year's $99 entry level model.

So, this year you can get a $99 iPhone 3GS - a very capable phone. Are there any $99 Android phones? (I'm sure they are, but I would think they were engineered to be entry level, which makes them limited by design).

So, if a 3.2megapixel camera is good enough for you, $99 takes care of you; if you want a better camera, better screen, better battery life and more speed, an extra $100 takes care of that.

If you don't want perceived limitations - heck, there's Android Freedom for you!

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's already taken over 2nd place in US smartphone sales behind RIM and the Blackberry (although there will probably be a brief swapping of places with Apple when the iPhone 4 comes out).

Android passes iPhone in U.S. smartphone share | iLounge News

For the quarter ending in May, Android scored 28% of the market (Apple had 21%)

Apple holds second place U.S. smartphone share | Phones | iPhone Central | Macworld

As compared to March 2010, whereas Android only had 2.8% (with Apple at 25%).

Android's growth came at the expense of Windows Mobile, whose decline continued unabated, as well as Palm. Rim's lead of formerly 43% is also rapidly dropping, now at 36%.

What these numbers mean is that combined Apple / Google strategy is bearing fruits, by marginalizing and eating the low and middle portion of the market (Google), and feeding off the high and premium end of the market (Apple).

When this competition will get interesting, is once Apple decides (and they will) to go after the low and medium end of the market themselves -- albeit that will still be a while off (2-3 years).

In the interim, each year, Apple turns the former high-end model into the $99 entry level model, while introducing a newer model at the same premium price point, with more features and capabilities.

If you don't want perceived limitations - heck, there's Android Freedom for you!

A man who describes himself as "Apple Holic" writes error-strewn article slagging off Android!

What a shocker! More straw clutching, Daffy.

Sales of Android phones that include Google's Nexus One and Motorola's Droid have risen by 8% year on year, while sales of Apple's iPhone OS has increased at 4.9% from Q1 2009 to Q1 2010.

Figures from technology research group Gartner showed worldwide sales of Google's Android rose from 575,000 in Q1 2009 to over 5 million in the same period this year, while sales of the iPhone rose from 3.8 million to 8.3 million.


Sales of Androids have also overtaken Apple iPhone in North America increasing 707% year on year, accounting for 26.6% of all units sold, compared with 22.1% for the iPhone.

And the new Droid X is out. They've been successful so far, so it will be interesting to see how this is going to sell. Sprint are also doing record numbers with the EVO 4G.

Motorola Droid X unveiled, 'made for video' | Signal Strength - CNET News

People like CHOICE.

In this article some dork reckons ther are 48,000 android apps. I contend that sounds like BS and if there are some of these must be mind numbingly useless.

Read on....

Android 2.2 arrives....

Android Android Froyo arrives and Google talks sales

Today at 5:33 am


Google releases Android Froyo 2.2 and says it is activating 160,000 Android handsets per day.

Google’s Android 2.2 ‘Froyo’ OS update has been released while the company also reveals that is activating 160,000 Android handsets per day.

Hot on the heels of the major Apple iPhone operating system release, Google has also released an update of the Android operating system. The new Android 2.2, code named Froyo in the now familiar desert-themed naming scheme, has begun rolling out as an automatic update to owners of the company’s own Nexus One phone.

Google has also made available the source code to partners with third party handset manufacturers such as HTC, Samsung and Motorola expected to also follow with the updated OS.

Many have been able to run the new Android operating system ahead of the official release with many positive reports of a substantial boost in speed thanks to the inclusion of a JIT complier which the company claims speeds up application execution between 200 to 500%. This might make Apple a little uncomfortable given the widespread reports of the iOS4 update resulting in sluggish iPhone 3G handsets.

Android 2.2 is also notable for delivering the capability to run Adobe’s Flash in the new web browser which provides additional functionality on the web through interactive flash applications video streaming and so on. The new OS brings many additional new features and improvements such as a better on-screen keyboard, improved enterprise-class features for business and the ability to ‘tether’ the phone to a computer so it piggy back off the phone’s 3G data connection either via USB or a personal Wi-Fi hotspot.

The activation figures are particularly startling given that the rate was 100,000 in May which represents a 60% boost in take up even in the run up to the launch of the iPhone 4. Many put the success down to the wide variety of cutting edge handsets available from a range of manufacturers at different budget points.

In recent months the pace of third party support for Android has gathered with major phone launches such as the Samsung Galaxy S with the much-vaunted Super AMOLED display and yesterday’s Motorola Droid X launch in the US. The Droid X and Samsung Galaxy S also launched with the new Swype keyboard gesture input system.

Speaking in an interview with the Guardian, Schmidt said, “We have seen a tremendous increase in adoption. We've also seen a growth in the number of apps available for Android – there are now approximately 65,000 compared to only 50,000 a month ago."

He believes that that means Android could have reached the volume necessary to become an essential mobile operating system – and perhaps the equivalent of Windows on PCs.

Schmidt wouldn’t be drawn on whether Google would look to producing its own Android-powered tablet to go head to head with the iPad, like the firm did with the Nexus One handset.

A new on from Huawei.... although I must say the only device of theirs I've ever owned was a "pen" phone with a built in laser pointer.

Huawei demos 7 inch Android tablet

Chinese telecomms titan Huawei showcases a 7 inch Android tablet plus a 3.5 inch Android smartphone.



Huawei is the latest vendor to catch Android fever, with the company showcasing two Android-powered devices prior to Australian availability.

The S7 ‘e-tablet’ is a 7 inch slate powered by a 768MHz Qualcomm SnapDragon ARM processor, runs Android 2.1 and like Dell’s Streak it supports 3G voice as well as data – although you’re more likely to use the S7 with a Bluetooth headset than hold it up against your face.

Whereas the compact Streak could be considered as a replacement for a smartphone, the S7 would complement an existing smartphone but give you the option of adding some voice to your 3G data account.

This will make it interesting to see how local carriers position the S7, and how this affects their choice of bundled plans, should any carriers decide to stock the device (given that Huawei doesn’t sell to the public in Australia).

Another carrier-only play is the U8220 Android mobile phone, with a 3.5 inch HVGA screen and 3.2 megapixel camera.

Carriers are expected to have the option of rebranding this as their own device and possibly adding it to their existing line-up as a budget-priced entry level Android handset to attract first-time smartphone buyers to the platform.

I was going to buy a hiphone.

Originally Posted by Dug

I was going to buy a hiphone.

Can't really comment. I wouldn't buy a real Rolex, so I reallly wouldn't buy a fake.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you don't want perceived limitations - heck, there's Android Freedom for you!

A man who describes himself as "Apple Holic" writes error-strewn article slagging off Android!

What a shocker! More straw clutching, Daffy.

There you go again, ad hominem again -- because you're unable to refute the factual points made. Is that why?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Sales of Androids have also overtaken Apple iPhone in North America increasing 707% year on year, accounting for 26.6% of all units sold, compared with 22.1% for the iPhone.

...and I've explained what these numbers mean, and how they came to be. Android will keep eating WinMo's market share for lunch - which is a market that Apple is not interested in.

Despite all of Android's growth, and I'm quite happy for Google for it, there's no money in it for Google (and that is also not what Google is in it for, by the way).

I find your desperate need to turn this into a competition amusing - when you don't grasp the simple concept that Google and Apple are not actually in any sort of competition.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And the new Droid X is out.

Yes, quite a huge phone.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And the new Droid X is out. They've been successful so far, so it will be interesting to see how this is going to sell. Sprint are also doing record numbers with the EVO 4G.

Actually, they are not, as it was just revealed.

Individually, the Android phones are actually not selling so well, while as a platform, Android (the OS) is seeing some very decent growth.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

People like CHOICE.

Sure, nothing wrong with that. Like I keep trying to explain - it's not a competition.

You're the one who started turning this into a "you vs. them" argument.

There you go again, ad hominem again -- because you're unable to refute the factual points made. Is that why?

Why bother, there's pagefuls of comments on the link you provided that do exactly that. Do you honestly expect a fair and reasonable comparison from a tit that calls himself "Apple Holic"?

Pfft.

I said "Sprint are also doing record numbers with the EVO 4G."

Actually, they are not, as it was just revealed.

Yes they are Daffy; they got their sales ratios wrong, that's all:

Sprint then clarified for the Wall Street Journal that its sales of the HTC Evo 4G have indeed set a new record for the company, but revised its estimates to six times better than the Samsung Instinct, and twice as strong as the launch of the Palm Pre.

Once again, you read the headline and not the article. Selective myopia seems to be a trait with you for some reason...

I'm afraid listening to you is like listening to a broken Steve Jobs record, and really offers nothing of any interest other than your Apple fanboi soundbites and futile - and frankly rather puny - attempts at insulting people.

So what I'll do is I'll open an Android 2.2 thread and ignore all of your beloved Apple threads. How's that?