Thread: iPAD vs Tablet PC: Forget the iPAD

Originally Posted by nikster

they make $Bns every year investing.

only to lose billions years later

no surprise with the graph. new type of product comes to the market, everyone who has wanted one has bought one, huge jump in sales, subsequently followed by a drop in sales because the buying market has shrinked.

anyone who honestly thinks the iPad is responsible for the decline in sales is deluded.

Uh huh. Sure.

Daffy's lost it with blogs. Now he's resorting to "Uh Huh"s.

Daffy you are so pwned on just about every thread.

Give it up son.



(Or try the Polanski or Burkha thread for even more fun for us)

Uh huh. Sure.

You might want to look up the meaning of '0wned' (and how it's *properly* spelled -- not that a tech wannabe like yourself would know.)

Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your LG Android phone?

Originally Posted by Dug

Daffney really does know his stuff,

arselicker.


Daffney thought the problems with the iPhone4 were because of a software problem, not a hardware problem. He thought apple would release a sofware patch to solve a hardware problem with the design of the antenna.

yup he reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyy knows his stuff LOL

Originally Posted by Dug

Harrybarracuda makes a lot of nise, so much noise that at first it seems he MUST know what he's talking about. It soon nbecomes apparent though that it's just noise.
I've known a few people like that.
Sorry Harry, Daffney really does know his stuff, you would like to but you're not there yet.
Your DEPTH of knowledge is too shallow.

Dug, you don't have to come running every time he pm's you.

Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your LG Android phone?

No idea. I've never bought an LG phone in my life. Where did you get that from?

Originally Posted by Dug

Harrybarracuda makes a lot of nise, so much noise that at first it seems he MUST know what he's talking about. It soon nbecomes apparent though that it's just noise.
I've known a few people like that.
Sorry Harry, Daffney really does know his stuff, you would like to but you're not there yet.
Your DEPTH of knowledge is too shallow.

Dug, you don't have to come running every time he pm's you.

Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your LG Android phone?

No idea. I've never bought an LG phone in my life. You're shooting blanks again.

pwned.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your LG Android phone?

No idea. I've never bought an LG phone in my life. Where did you get that from?

So predictably evasive.

"Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your Low-end, inexpensive, but well-valued Android phone?"

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your LG Android phone?

No idea. I've never bought an LG phone in my life. Where did you get that from?

So predictably evasive.

"Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your Low-end, inexpensive, but well-valued Android phone?"

It says "Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is available for devices with Android 2.2".

And I'm running 2.1.

Cheaper to wait for the upgrade than go out and buy a new phone, don't you think?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It says "Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is available for devices with Android 2.2".

And I'm running 2.1.

Cheaper to wait for the upgrade than go out and buy a new phone, don't you think?

Cool, so when's 2.2 out?

What's with the delay on Flash?

How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?

Oh, and what version of Flash was Apple supposed to have installed 3 years ago on iPhone, seeing as how Adobe cries about somehow having been unfairly left out of Apple devices?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It says "Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is available for devices with Android 2.2".

And I'm running 2.1.

Cheaper to wait for the upgrade than go out and buy a new phone, don't you think?

Cool, so when's 2.2 out?

What's with the delay on Flash?

How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?

Oh, and what version of Flash was Apple supposed to have installed 3 years ago on iPhone, seeing as how Adobe cries about somehow having been unfairly left out of Apple devices?

The Nexus One, various Motorolas, HTCs, Samsungs, LG is releasing 10 this year, and so on.

For legacy phones it may be that you have to flash it yourself, but that isn't difficult (my phone came with 1.6).

F**k knows what version of Flash Apple did 3 years ago, why would I care?

Amusing watching Sky News this morning. They had very glum fanboi who was really upset at being so let down by his latest iPhone (his phone gives him problems even WITH a bumper).

Finished with a spokesman for Which? telling people with the problem to take their phones back, get a refund and "look elsewhere".

Nice little push in the Android direction there.

Man, you gotta love CNN....

If you have an iPad, you already know Apple's dirty little secret.

Despite efforts to brand the tablet PC as a proper computer designed for business, e-reading and productivity, it's basically just an oversized iPod touch that shines brightest when doubling as a 21st-century Game Boy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The Nexus One, various Motorolas, HTCs, Samsungs, LG is releasing 10 this year, and so on.

Oh, I'm sorry - let me rephrase my initial question. I think you missed the relevant part:

How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?

I highlit it for you.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

F**k knows what version of Flash Apple did 3 years ago, why would I care?

....because, best as I can recall, you were one of the ones screaming loudly about what bullshit it was that Apple did not ship Flash on their iPhones and iPads... blah blah blah...

My point was that, precisely, there was no version of Flash available for mobile devices until 'now' (and 'now' is a very flexible term, as Flash 10.1 mobile is still not available for mobile devices, and keeps being delayed.) --- thus, your griping and bitching about 'Apple' being the meanies keeping Flash of the iPhone platform is a bit misplaced.

Then again, you never let facts stand in the way of your whinings and I have no doubt that you won't reconsider your position now either -- you'll just try to bring up something completely unrelated in hopes of distracting the audience.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Amusing watching Sky News this morning. They had very glum fanboi who was really upset at being so let down by his latest iPhone (his phone gives him problems even WITH a bumper).

...and so you did....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Man, you gotta love CNN....

If you have an iPad, you already know Apple's dirty little secret.

Despite efforts to brand the tablet PC as a proper computer designed for business, e-reading and productivity, it's basically just an oversized iPod touch that shines brightest when doubling as a 21st-century Game Boy.

So, what blog did you grab that from, as I note a tell-tale lack of URL with your 'quote' from CNN.

Oh, there it is:

Five iPad games I can't stop playing - CNN.com

It's from the CNN Gaming & Gadgets blog, and it appears that you conveniently left out that an article "Five iPad games I can't stop playing" would use the above quote as a tongue-in-cheek lead-in to the article.

Love the writing: "Here are five of my favorites, none of which helps justify the gizmo's nosebleed price tag ($499 and up). Nevertheless, I can't put them down."

Author's even a published writer:

Video Game Expert Scott Steinberg: Leading National Authority

Scott Steinberg's "Get Rich Playing Games."

You want a list? Go to Google Shopping and type "Android 2.2 (or Froyo) phone". How hard is it?

And the Droid X, which is out today I think and is expected to fairly fly off the shelves, will automatically update to Froyo OTA.

More from CNN on the iPhone 4 thread.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You want a list? Go to Google Shopping and type "Android 2.2 (or Froyo) phone". How hard is it?

First rule of Fight Club: before you advocate using Google resources to find something, you *really* should try it yourself. Really.

I knew the outcome, but I still went through the motions, so I could come back and write this from a position of knowledge.

froogle.com: Android 2.2 phone = nope, nothing
froogle.com: android froyo phone = coolio t-shirts. nothing else.

Oh, and the Droid X ships with Android 2.1 initially. So, still no shipping Flash mobile phone.

Wanna try again?

On the other hand, a client of mine has an HTC Incredible. Neat phone. Horrible on-screen keyboard. I was ready to throw it out the window.

My client : "I only got this because Verizon doesn't have the iPhone. Once they do, I switch immediately"

2012 will be an interesting year for Android, I'm thinking. Too bad you won't be around to witness it.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You want a list? Go to Google Shopping and type "Android 2.2 (or Froyo) phone". How hard is it?

First rule of Fight Club: before you advocate using Google resources to find something, you *really* should try it yourself. Really.

I knew the outcome, but I still went through the motions, so I could come back and write this from a position of knowledge.

froogle.com: Android 2.2 phone = nope, nothing
froogle.com: android froyo phone = coolio t-shirts. nothing else.

Oh, and the Droid X ships with Android 2.1 initially. So, still no shipping Flash mobile phone.

Wanna try again?

I don't see Coolio but I see the Nexus One.

But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo. Evo and Droid/Droid X will start official upgrades shortly.

But the unofficial update has been installed on the Droid, the Evo, the Hero, the Touch, etc. Supposed it depends if you buy from Best Buy or eBay.

Just my luck Samsung take fucking ages to get off their arses.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo.

Okay, and so this Nexus One you speak of, it includes Flash 10.1 for mobiles, as part of 2.2 / Froyo? When I buy a Nexus One right now, I'll have Flash on it. Out of the box?

Wait, there's a section on Google's site about the 2.2 Features:

http://developer.android.com/sdk/and...ighlights.html

There, it says it has Flash....!

Oh no, that's just a 'Camera Flash'. I don't think that's the one we're looking for.

So, back to my original question....

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo.

Okay, and so this Nexus One you speak of, it includes Flash 10.1 for mobiles, as part of 2.2 / Froyo? When I buy a Nexus One right now, I'll have Flash on it. Out of the box?

Wait, there's a section on Google's site about the 2.2 Features:

Android 2.2 Platform Highlights | Android Developers

There, it says it has Flash....!

Oh no, that's just a 'Camera Flash'. I don't think that's the one we're looking for.

So, back to my original question....

What's the question? Does the Nexus One come with Android 2.2. right now? Yes, it probably does, because if the shop gets it they can upgrade it, or the customer can when he gets it home. Little difference really.

Does it come with Flashplayer 10.1? I don't know, I assume most carriers would include it. But if it doesn't, you go to the Android market and download it.

So, notwithstanding who actually does the install, can you get an Android phone with 2.2 and Flash player today? Yes.

Can you get an iPad with Flash Player? No.

And as 2.2 rolls out, you will find dozens of handsets by the end of the year running 2.2 and Flash (hopefully including mine).

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What's the question?

Your memory losses are so convenient, aren't they?

How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash out of the box, then?

It's actually funny seeing you desperately evasive, trying to avoid having to give the right answer.

Daffy, your myopia is kicking in again....

I don't see Coolio but I see the Nexus One.

But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo. Evo and Droid/Droid X will start official upgrades shortly

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Not withstanding their self-deprecating dig at Vista....

(Reuters) - Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer touted new tablet-style devices running the Windows 7 operating system from about 20 manufacturers at a conference on Monday, underlining the giant software company's eagerness to counter the explosion of interest in Apple Inc's iPad.
New Windows-powered tablet or slate devices -- small, hand-held, wireless computers -- are in the pipeline from Acer Inc, Dell Inc, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, Toshiba Corp, Sony Corp and a dozen other PC makers, Ballmer said at the company's annual partner conference in Washington, D.C., which was webcast.
"This year, one of the most important things that we will do in the smart device category is really push forward with Windows 7-based slates," said Ballmer. "This is a terribly important area for us."
Apple's iPad, launched in April, has already sold more than 2 million units worldwide, and threatens to take customers away from Microsoft-dominated desktop computing.
Ballmer did not mention Hewlett-Packard Co, the world's No. 1 PC maker, which has said it plans to build slate devices running the operating system devised by Palm Inc, which HP bought this year. However, HP's logo did appear on a slide listing PC makers working on slates which was displayed as Ballmer spoke.