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It says "Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is available for devices with Android 2.2".Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
So predictably evasive.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
"Hey, say, how's Flash doing on your Low-end, inexpensive, but well-valued Android phone?"
And I'm running 2.1.
Cheaper to wait for the upgrade than go out and buy a new phone, don't you think?
Cool, so when's 2.2 out?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
What's with the delay on Flash?
How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?
Oh, and what version of Flash was Apple supposed to have installed 3 years ago on iPhone, seeing as how Adobe cries about somehow having been unfairly left out of Apple devices?
The Nexus One, various Motorolas, HTCs, Samsungs, LG is releasing 10 this year, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckCool, so when's 2.2 out?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
What's with the delay on Flash?
How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?
Oh, and what version of Flash was Apple supposed to have installed 3 years ago on iPhone, seeing as how Adobe cries about somehow having been unfairly left out of Apple devices?
For legacy phones it may be that you have to flash it yourself, but that isn't difficult (my phone came with 1.6).
F**k knows what version of Flash Apple did 3 years ago, why would I care?
Amusing watching Sky News this morning. They had very glum fanboi who was really upset at being so let down by his latest iPhone (his phone gives him problems even WITH a bumper).
Finished with a spokesman for Which? telling people with the problem to take their phones back, get a refund and "look elsewhere".
Nice little push in the Android direction there.
:)
Man, you gotta love CNN....
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If you have an iPad, you already know Apple's dirty little secret.
Despite efforts to brand the tablet PC as a proper computer designed for business, e-reading and productivity, it's basically just an oversized iPod touch that shines brightest when doubling as a 21st-century Game Boy.
Oh, I'm sorry - let me rephrase my initial question. I think you missed the relevant part:Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash, then?
I highlit it for you.
....because, best as I can recall, you were one of the ones screaming loudly about what bullshit it was that Apple did not ship Flash on their iPhones and iPads... blah blah blah...Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
My point was that, precisely, there was no version of Flash available for mobile devices until 'now' (and 'now' is a very flexible term, as Flash 10.1 mobile is still not available for mobile devices, and keeps being delayed.) --- thus, your griping and bitching about 'Apple' being the meanies keeping Flash of the iPhone platform is a bit misplaced.
Then again, you never let facts stand in the way of your whinings and I have no doubt that you won't reconsider your position now either -- you'll just try to bring up something completely unrelated in hopes of distracting the audience.
...and so you did....Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
So, what blog did you grab that from, as I note a tell-tale lack of URL with your 'quote' from CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Oh, there it is:
Five iPad games I can't stop playing - CNN.com
It's from the CNN Gaming & Gadgets blog, and it appears that you conveniently left out that an article "Five iPad games I can't stop playing" would use the above quote as a tongue-in-cheek lead-in to the article.
Love the writing: "Here are five of my favorites, none of which helps justify the gizmo's nosebleed price tag ($499 and up). Nevertheless, I can't put them down."
Author's even a published writer:
Video Game Expert Scott Steinberg: Leading National Authority
Scott Steinberg's "Get Rich Playing Games."
You want a list? Go to Google Shopping and type "Android 2.2 (or Froyo) phone". How hard is it?
And the Droid X, which is out today I think and is expected to fairly fly off the shelves, will automatically update to Froyo OTA.
More from CNN on the iPhone 4 thread. :mid:
First rule of Fight Club: before you advocate using Google resources to find something, you *really* should try it yourself. Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I knew the outcome, but I still went through the motions, so I could come back and write this from a position of knowledge.
froogle.com: Android 2.2 phone = nope, nothing
froogle.com: android froyo phone = coolio t-shirts. nothing else.
Oh, and the Droid X ships with Android 2.1 initially. So, still no shipping Flash mobile phone.
Wanna try again?
On the other hand, a client of mine has an HTC Incredible. Neat phone. Horrible on-screen keyboard. I was ready to throw it out the window.
My client : "I only got this because Verizon doesn't have the iPhone. Once they do, I switch immediately"
2012 will be an interesting year for Android, I'm thinking. Too bad you won't be around to witness it.
I don't see Coolio but I see the Nexus One.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckFirst rule of Fight Club: before you advocate using Google resources to find something, you *really* should try it yourself. Really.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I knew the outcome, but I still went through the motions, so I could come back and write this from a position of knowledge.
froogle.com: Android 2.2 phone = nope, nothing
froogle.com: android froyo phone = coolio t-shirts. nothing else.
Oh, and the Droid X ships with Android 2.1 initially. So, still no shipping Flash mobile phone.
Wanna try again?
But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo. Evo and Droid/Droid X will start official upgrades shortly.
But the unofficial update has been installed on the Droid, the Evo, the Hero, the Touch, etc. Supposed it depends if you buy from Best Buy or eBay.
Just my luck Samsung take fucking ages to get off their arses.
Okay, and so this Nexus One you speak of, it includes Flash 10.1 for mobiles, as part of 2.2 / Froyo? When I buy a Nexus One right now, I'll have Flash on it. Out of the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Wait, there's a section on Google's site about the 2.2 Features:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/and...ighlights.html
There, it says it has Flash....!
Oh no, that's just a 'Camera Flash'. I don't think that's the one we're looking for.
So, back to my original question....
What's the question? Does the Nexus One come with Android 2.2. right now? Yes, it probably does, because if the shop gets it they can upgrade it, or the customer can when he gets it home. Little difference really.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckOkay, and so this Nexus One you speak of, it includes Flash 10.1 for mobiles, as part of 2.2 / Froyo? When I buy a Nexus One right now, I'll have Flash on it. Out of the box?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Wait, there's a section on Google's site about the 2.2 Features:
Android 2.2 Platform Highlights | Android Developers
There, it says it has Flash....!
Oh no, that's just a 'Camera Flash'. I don't think that's the one we're looking for.
So, back to my original question....
Does it come with Flashplayer 10.1? I don't know, I assume most carriers would include it. But if it doesn't, you go to the Android market and download it.
So, notwithstanding who actually does the install, can you get an Android phone with 2.2 and Flash player today? Yes.
Can you get an iPad with Flash Player? No.
And as 2.2 rolls out, you will find dozens of handsets by the end of the year running 2.2 and Flash (hopefully including mine).
Your memory losses are so convenient, aren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash out of the box, then?
It's actually funny seeing you desperately evasive, trying to avoid having to give the right answer.
Daffy, your myopia is kicking in again....
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I don't see Coolio but I see the Nexus One.
But yes, AFAIK that's the only one currently shipping with Froyo. Evo and Droid/Droid X will start official upgrades shortly
Not withstanding their self-deprecating dig at Vista....
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(Reuters) - Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer touted new tablet-style devices running the Windows 7 operating system from about 20 manufacturers at a conference on Monday, underlining the giant software company's eagerness to counter the explosion of interest in Apple Inc's iPad.
New Windows-powered tablet or slate devices -- small, hand-held, wireless computers -- are in the pipeline from Acer Inc, Dell Inc, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd, Toshiba Corp, Sony Corp and a dozen other PC makers, Ballmer said at the company's annual partner conference in Washington, D.C., which was webcast.
"This year, one of the most important things that we will do in the smart device category is really push forward with Windows 7-based slates," said Ballmer. "This is a terribly important area for us."
Apple's iPad, launched in April, has already sold more than 2 million units worldwide, and threatens to take customers away from Microsoft-dominated desktop computing.
Ballmer did not mention Hewlett-Packard Co, the world's No. 1 PC maker, which has said it plans to build slate devices running the operating system devised by Palm Inc, which HP bought this year. However, HP's logo did appear on a slide listing PC makers working on slates which was displayed as Ballmer spoke.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Maybe if I'll repeat it often enough, at one point, you'll get it. (Doubtful, though.)
How many commercial phones ship, right now, with Flash out of the box, then? (i.e. Froyo include Flash, out of the box?)
[QUOTE=harrybarracuda;1504524]Not withstanding their self-deprecating dig at Vista....
Really? Shipping? Available now?Quote:
(Reuters) - Microsoft Corp Chief Executive Steve Ballmer touted new tablet-style devices running the Windows 7 operating system from about 20 manufacturers at a conference on Monday, underlining the giant software company's eagerness to counter the explosion of interest in Apple Inc's iPad.
Oh. Right. Not.
[quote=DaffyDuck;1504754]Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
No Daffy, I think they're aimed to be in the shops for the holiday season.
So the iPad has a clear shot until then. Providing they don't have another iPhone-style fuck-up up their sleeve, of course.
Holiday season = so, 5-6 months from now. Good timing, Microsoft.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
I half expected them to announce how they will corner the holiday season by shipping their competing products in February 2011.
Of course, with iOS 4 being made available around September/October/November, it'll be like a brand new iPad by the time December rolls around.
I love how you treat it as if the iPad is on borrowed time, until MS enters the market.
a) see above about iOS 4 for the iPad.
b) aren't there going to be Android tablets out by then as well?
MS won't even be in the running. Oh, sure, there'll be tablet products, and the they'll be able to claim they sold more than the Kin. Maybe.
Huh? Are they downgrading from iOS 4.0.1? Does that fix the design flaw?Quote:
Of course, with iOS 4 being made available around September/October/November, it'll be like a brand new iPad by the time December rolls around.
You need to go to sleep Daffy, it's way past your bedtime.
:sexy:
iOS 4 refers to the 4.x branch -- of course, anyone technical enough would understand that. I will adjust future comments to adjust for your level of experience, okay?
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Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
Says the guy who thought a hardware antenna problem could be fixed with a software patch :rofl:
Can't believe you dipsticks are still on about this shit.
Can't believe Apple haven't admitted this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug
Apple - iPhone - New features in the iOS 4 Software Update.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc2Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
Says the guy who thought a hardware antenna problem could be fixed with a software patch :rofl:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/15/...With iOS 3.2.1
Software updates for iPhone 4 and iPad. Download via iTunes.
Yes Daffy, we know what they think, but what do you think? Do you think Apple will announce a software fix for this problem, despite most experts saying it's a hardware design flaw?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckApple - iPhone - New features in the iOS 4 Software Update.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc2Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
Says the guy who thought a hardware antenna problem could be fixed with a software patch :rofl:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/15/apple-releases-ios-4-0-1-for-iphone-4-3gs-and-3g/]Apple Addresses iPhone Signal Strength Display With iOS 4.0.1 and iPad Wi-Fi Connectivity With iOS 3.2.1
Software updates for iPhone 4 and iPad. Download via iTunes.
Here, let me fix that first link for you.
That's better. *pat* *pat*Quote:
With over 100 new features, the free iOS 4 Software Update lets you do some amazing things. (Except make phone calls).
:)
(sits back) :mid:
Oh alright Daffy, I'll say it for you. You're afraid to state your opinion in case Apple say something different, and your self-created faux expertise on all things Apple is shown to be nothing but wind and piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
Am I right?
Of course I am.
:rofl:
so we should have this press conf soon, tonight I expect, US Pacific Time
I suspect a big recall :rofl:
im betting on a free case / voucher + they will slip in a small apology but mostly the noises from Jobs mouth will be of a reassuring nature.
Oh no doubt it will be carefully worded to grudgingly admit there is a problem but without offering to take blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc2
But they have to make the right noises - you only have to look at the effect on BP shares today, and they actually haven't even fixed their problem yet either.
apparently they have no intention of a recall according to the WSJ,
don't think apple is ready yet, a few more weeks of the scandal might change their tune though
(sits back. whistles...)
I'm actually on my second iPhone 4. I turned it off the other night and it would not turn back on. The guys in the store couldn't either so they replaced it! Battery charge problem they said. I see Steve Jobs has admitted today there may be an issue with reception. I have not encountered this problem at all
In a stale puddle of his own urine...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
I'm into this thread cause you guys seem to have some serious knowledge of this smart phone and I was hoping to take it to Phuket on my maiden vouage to Thailand shortly. However I get the feeling it may not work there as the guys in the store said its locked. Can I get around this in Thailand?
Where did you buy it originally? Is it an AT&T iPhone 4? If so, they are correct, and it would be locked.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fonz
This doesn't mean you can't use it, but rather that you are stuck with AT&T service (at $2/minute for voice roaming, and $100s per day for data roaming.)
Depending on when you go, they *might* have a hack software unlock solution, but I wouldn't bet on it right now. For unlocked iPhones, the best bet is always to buy them in a country where they sell unlocked ones - which is what I do. I offer them for rent for travelers that want to use an iPhone where they go - since Apple hasn't released the iPhone4 internationally yet (July 30th is the date), I don't have any yet (I do have iPhone 3GS', though).
You can still use your iPhone via WiFi as long as you are in WiFi areas, though it's a shame not to have the full functionality because of AT&T's shortsightedness.
I'd stick with them, they don't have the design flaw.Quote:
Depending on when you go, they *might* have a hack software unlock solution, but I wouldn't bet on it right now. For unlocked iPhones, the best bet is always to buy them in a country where they sell unlocked ones - which is what I do. I offer them for rent for travelers that want to use an iPhone where they go - since Apple hasn't released the iPhone4 internationally yet (July 30th is the date), I don't have any yet (I do have iPhone 3GS', though).
:rofl:
China now building an even better copy of Ipad now? Know a fellow who goes there apparently often. Says that there are so many factories building copies it is hard to believe. A $100. copy that is supposed to be very good?
That's about what it's actually worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rascal
:chitown: