Thread: Macbook Pro vs Other laptop

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

In fact, no obscure digging is needed, it's right there on Apple's pages (proving BF can't even use Google, or typing 'unix' into a search box on Apple's site):

I have been a Linux user for the last decade or so, but cranked up a FBSD (6) machine about 4 months ago to give it a try. I can move around in it pretty good by now, but I am a long way from FBSD gurudom. Since this machine is learning only, I have always had plenty of time to figure out how it works, either from the books or googling.

But a question has come up that I can't answer - or more accurately, am not qualified to answer.

Our school district has switched over to Macs after a disasterous trial of Vista and they like them very well. I knew that Apple's OSX was some kind of 'nix based OS but never thought on it before. After a little googling, it appears that Apple used FBSD as the basis for their OSX platform.

Some of the techier/nerdier/smarter kids have found the terminal application and have (with permission) descended into the insides of the platform. I have also looked and it appears to be fairly FBSD'ish. Their question is , does Apple use fairly standard FBSD, or have they redone it to their needs? In other words, if these kids learn the platform OS on their new Macs, are they learning FBSD or some hybrid OS that only applies to Macs?

Obviously the best place to ask this question would seem to be on a Mac forum, but I have found that while there are many Mac experts who can detail every corner of OSX, very few know anything once they drop out of the GUI. Some even argue that I am in the wrong forum, that OSX has nothing to do with "Unix".

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Short answer - no.

Long answer - Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in Nextstep, the core of Mac OS X. See
History of Mac OS X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, OS X Leopard is UNIX-compliant with some sort of certification. OS X does have FreeBSD's virtual file system, network stack, components of its userspace and few other stuff. See apples on webpage about UNIX technology that is included with OS X - http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html

Personally, I own a mac book and I find it command line quite like UNIX with perl, python, shell and friends. YMMV.

Is Apple's OSX based on a standard FBSD? - The FreeBSD Forums

^ So you are agreeing wholeheartedly with my statements about Unix compatibility, then?

Nice to see.

Doesn't it hurt getting 0wned every 5 minutes?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Bung

It's worth switching just for the mag safe plug alone!

do you mean that MagSafe ?
(image removed)
hardly safe

(rolls eyes)
Where's that picture of your ceiling hole and service trap?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

So you are agreeing wholeheartedly with my statements about Unix compatibility, then?

it's not BSD compliant, read again. Most vendors have that Unix 03 certification, even MS could get it, and they don't have a resellable UNIX platform

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

(rolls eyes)

truth hurts, doesn't it ? explain us again how it is safe

how many laptops have burned because of it ? google is your friend

Leopard is the first operating system with open source BSD code to be certified as fully UNIX compliant.[43] Certification means that software following the Single UNIX Specification can be compiled and run on Leopard without the need for any code modification.[35] The certification only applies to Leopard when run on Intel processors.

Mac OS X Leopard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

POSIX (pronounced /ˈpɒzɪks/) or "Portable Operating System Interface [for Unix]"[1] is the name of a family of related standards specified by the IEEE to define the application programming interface (API), along with shell and utilities interfaces for software compatible with variants of the Unix operating system, although the standard can apply to any operating system.

POSIX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you can see that OS X is fully compliant with both BSD and POSIX.

^ yes it is for the first time, for years it was still not Unix and POSIX compliant

it's still not BSD and SVR4 compliant though, despite using OpenBSD as a base.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

t's still not BSD and SVR4 compliant though, despite using OpenBSD as a base.

It's BSD compliant and SVR4 is a complete different story.

Compared to the other major Unix flavor, BSD, System V was more conservative and focused on open standards. It was favored by commercial enterprises, which contrasted with BSD's strength in the academic arena. However, in 1987, AT&T worked with Sun Microsystems to produce System V, revision 4 (SVR4), which incorporated elements of BSD and SunOS into System V. Most commercial Unix implementations are based on the SVR4 model, and it has also influenced Linux.

What are System V Unix and SVR4? - Knowledge Base

http://www.bsdcertification.org/

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's not BSD compliant, read again. Most vendors have that Unix 03 certification, even MS could get it, and they don't have a resellable UNIX platform

Wallalai took care of setting you straight -- 'Butterfly P0wnage Points' go to him.

Originally Posted by slackula

What is 'BSD compliancy' anyway? Is there any such certification?

Even Butterfly wouldn't even know that, and thus this 'Butterfly P0wnage Point' goes to you.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

(rolls eyes)

truth hurts, doesn't it ? explain us again how it is safe

how many laptops have burned because of it ? google is your friend

There are reports of 2-3 laptops that were damaged - there's pictures of reports of a number of magsafe cables and connectors overheating and being damaged.

Magsafe - Appledefects

The same - frayed cable, connector, etc - has been true for the prior PowerBook AC adapter, and you can find likewise plenty of anecdotal evidence of the same happening to DELL, SONY, hp, etc... power adapters (again, Google is your friend).

The difference is in how Apple handles it.

Apple's Defective MagSafe Adapters Get Replaced For Free! | Apple, free, cords | GeekSugar - Technology & Gadgets

You go to an Apple Store, or Apple Service center, and they will replace your adapter, free of charge - this includes adapters that even just show minor possibilities that they are maybe getting damaged. This includes adapters that are out of warranty.(*)

Furthermore, Apple has re-engineered the adapter to remove the kink in the plug, to be more in line with the way the MacBook Air adapter is designed (with the cable coming off at 90 degrees from the plug, thus eliminating the stress point). hp, Acer, Asus, make you buy a new power adapter.

Products can break - it's how a company deals with them is what matters. They fixed your Mac mini, didn't they, and they didn't even hold it against you that you're the village idiot, didn't they?

(*) some service centers in Thailand are usually not aware of this policy and may initially turn you down - you need to insist they call and check with Apple USA directly. If the service center is giving you a hard time and refuses to service the part, contact me directly - with the name and location of the service center, and your situation.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

You go to an Apple Store, or Apple Service center, and they will replace your adapter, free of charge - this includes adapters that even just show minor possibilities that they are maybe getting damaged. This includes adapters that are out of warranty.(*)

Right.

While this means that Apple doesn’t technically have to replace damaged MagSafe adapters, in almost every occurence Apple quickly provides a replacement free of charge. So don’t be discouraged if it happens to you. Call AppleCare and explain your situation, I’m guessing they will continue to replace problematic units that are obviously not caused by user error.

AppleDefects.com MagSafe Melting & Fraying Troubles Not Officially Covered by Warranty, but… - Customer Complaints & Issues - Defective Apple Products, iPod, MacBook, iMac, Mac problems

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Quote: Originally Posted by Bung like I said I am no tech geek, oh yeah, we got that part, which also explain your poor choice too

At least I don't keep making a fool of myself around here and get owned all the time....

Originally Posted by Bung

Got a link to back that photo up and tell us what happened?

Apparently he got the pic (and hotlinked it - naughty naughty!) from here:

MagSafe power connector bursts into flames

Shockingly he omitted to include this bit from the page:

Apple was quick to replace the damaged PowerBook.

Apple support responded very well (thanks Klaas) and fast. Before I called our local Apple support line, the dutch engineers were already contacted by their US collegues (who saw the pics) to inquire if I already called in. I'm getting a new Macbook asap and I will return my current one.

Originally Posted by slackula

Shockingly he omitted to include this bit from the page:

Apple was quick to replace the damaged PowerBook.

the fact that Apple was quick to replace it is besides the point. Like the iPHONE that caught fire, having a laptop on fire is something to take into consideration when buying those devices, they are unreliable, and they can cause fire.

I am sure Apple will replace your house and your belongings once your laptop caught fire

Originally Posted by Wallalai

It's BSD compliant and SVR4 is a complete different story.

no, it's not. See the quotes I included previously. Based on BSD and BSD full compliance is 2 different things. I wouldn't expect you to make the distinction.

for example, applications bin are put under /usr/local

with OSX, it's all under /Applications (cap sensitives)

another example, Users directories should under /home

with OSX, it's all under /Users

Shared Libraries should be under /lib or /usr/lib

with OSX, it's all under /Library

etc... etc...

Originally Posted by Butterfly

they are unreliable, and they can cause fire

Dell Laptop Explodes in Flames - Dell - Gizmodo
HP facing lawsuit over exploding Presario, injured daughter -- Engadget
Tech2.com India > Lenovo Laptop Catches Fire at LA Airport > News on Laptops PCs & Laptops
Toshiba Laptop Catches Fire, Again! - LaptopLogic.com
Sony Vaio Catches Fire!!!
Samsung P10 Laptop Battery Meltdown, Caught Fire
NEC Recalls 970,000 Defective Notebook PCs for Repair
LG reports Blast of Lithium-ion Laptop Batteries, still considering it as Safe

Clearly this issue is unique to Apple

Originally Posted by Wallalai

What are System V Unix and SVR4? - Knowledge Base

BSDCertification.org

Tard Alert !!! Those 2 links are saying fuck all. One is for becoming a BSD Certified Engineer and the other is a very brief history of the origin of SVR4, without much details.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Wallalai took care of setting you straight -- 'Butterfly P0wnage Points' go to him.

See above, you probably didn't even click or understood anything in those links. YoU oWnED again !!! tard.

Originally Posted by slackula

Originally Posted by Butterfly

they are unreliable, and they can cause fire

Dell Laptop Explodes in Flames - Dell - Gizmodo
HP facing lawsuit over exploding Presario, injured daughter -- Engadget
Tech2.com India > Lenovo Laptop Catches Fire at LA Airport > News on Laptops PCs & Laptops
Toshiba Laptop Catches Fire, Again! - LaptopLogic.com
Sony Vaio Catches Fire!!!
Samsung P10 Laptop Battery Meltdown, Caught Fire
NEC Recalls 970,000 Defective Notebook PCs for Repair
LG reports Blast of Lithium-ion Laptop Batteries, still considering it as Safe

Clearly this issue is unique to Apple

old stories. Strangely Apple laptops catching fire has been an issue since the 90s, and yet they still can't solve it. Maybe it's due to their battery power lasting so long !!!

at least they are consistent,

This could have been a good and useful thread until you fucking morons decided to have another pissing contest!

why, plenty of useful information in it

Originally Posted by Butterfly

See the quotes I included previously.

Quotes without links is just rubbish, like your rant against MAC OS X.

Originally Posted by jizzybloke

useful thread until you fucking morons decided to have another pissing contest!

useful thread until Butterfly decided to fuck it as usual!