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    Snow leopard bug causes data losses

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    Data losses in Snow Leopard bug


    Users of the new Apple operating system Snow Leopard are experiencing massive data losses when logging into their machines under a guest account.


    The problem appears to affect those who had a guest account enabled before upgrading to Snow Leopard.
    Users have in some cases lost their entire main profile, including sites, pictures, videos and documents.
    The problem, reported by more than 100 users on discussion forums, surfaced shortly after the OS's August release.
    The issue follows closely on the heels of vast data losses by the Sidekick handset in the US, whose software was designed by Microsoft subsidiary Danger.

    Unwelcome guest
    Indications are that the Snow Leopard bug simply treats the principal account like a guest account - meaning that the account profile is wiped clean when logging out.
    Users who first log into a guest account and then into their normal account have found it to be completely reset to factory default settings, with none of their personal data or files visible.
    "I've been using Macs for decades...what the heck have I done here?," wrote user Wingrove on the Apple discussion forums on Monday.
    "Repeated restarts and logins never get me back to me usual user acc(ount)."


    Those who use backup services including the Mac's own Time Machine can restore their lost data, but it appears that for those who do not, the data is permanently lost.
    Apple said in a statement that the problem "occurs only in extremely rare cases" and that it was working on a fix.
    In the meantime, users should delete previous guest accounts and, where necessary, create new ones that are "native" to Snow Leopard.

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    ^ Nonsense! Macs are the epitome of perfection and Steve Jobs is God (and not mad at all).

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    Where's Butterfly ?

    Not a bug but a software feature. You upgraded so obviously you didn't want your old data files. Sounds like very poor beta testing before release.

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    Reports of this bug have been around since 2007, but it seems that it is hard to reproduce.

    Apple - Support - Discussions - main user account ERASED as mistaken ...

    Hopefully Apple will pull their fingers out and issue a patch quickly.

    Still, not backing up before you make major changes to your OS is a bad idea no matter what OS you use imho.
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    Best to stick you data in the cloud with Microsoft

    Microsoft says lost Sidekick data will be restored to users | Technology | Los Angeles Times

    Cant trust anyone nowadays........

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    Update:

    World of Apple reports that Apple has seeded a new version of Mac OS X 10.6.2, termed Build 10C527f, to developers. The new build comes one week after the previous seed of Build 10C519f.

    Apple today gave developers the latest built of Mac OS X 10.6.2, 10C527f which contains only one known issues is said to include two sets of release notes, an indicative sign of a possible release candidate. The build is 483.5MB in size.
    Build 10C527f reportedly contains a number of fixes to QuickTime Player, Image Capture, iChat, and a host of other areas and includes one documented known issue related to scanning in Image Capture.

    The update also appears to address an issue in which users have reported their user data disappearing due to a glitch with Guest accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    Where's Butterfly ?

    Not a bug but a software feature. You upgraded so obviously you didn't want your old data files. Sounds like very poor beta testing before release.
    just saw this, glad I didn't upgrade myself

    another example of MacOS complete dysfunctionalities, they make MS looks like God. Fucking tards.

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    ^ MS are gods if you work for Apple's sales and marketing dept

    How many Vista machines do you have/manage BF? Would you care to share your opinions on Vista once again old bean?

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    ^ yes, VISTA is one piece of crap as it tries to copy OSX, but only worse

    tried it, and deleted it

    I am stuck with MacOSX because of PLEX,

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    Okay.... Need some oil added the fire?



    From the BBC, today,
    By Tim Weber, Business editor, BBC News website


    Why Microsoft can't afford Windows 7 to fail



    Will Windows 7 allow users to forget Vista?

    On Thursday, Microsoft launches Windows 7, the latest version of its operating system. Its success or failure will determine the future of the world's biggest software company.
    When talking about Microsoft, it is useful to remind yourself of the sheer scale of its reach. Windows powers about 90% of the world's computers; by the company's own reckoning more than one billion people use it.
    Windows also powers Microsoft. During its last financial year, a $58.4bn (£35.7bn) turnover generated an operating profit of $20.3bn (net profit: $14.6bn). Windows accounted for well over half of that.

    For years, critics have claimed that Microsoft's virtual monopoly is about to end.
    They say it will be brought down by a resurgent Apple, insurgent open-source rival Linux or a revolution in how we use computers, when the actual computing moves from desktop machines to the "cloud" where software runs on remote servers.

    Windows without a Vista

    In reality, Microsoft has been its own worst enemy. Ruthless behaviour towards rivals earned it the attention of regulators such as the European Commission and the US Department of Justice.

    Windows 7 is much easier to install than its predecessor

    More importantly, three years ago Microsoft botched the release of Vista, the operating system that preceded Windows 7.
    Vista - a bloated, difficult to install operating system - left many early users with suddenly unusable hardware and software. The disaster badly undermined Microsoft's credibility with consumers and software developers.
    Today, Vista is still outshone by its eight-year-old predecessor Windows XP. One (particularly low) estimate from web metrics firm Net Applications suggests Vista has a mere 18.6% share of the market. Others put it at just over 35%, which is still a poor figure.
    Among companies, "Vista is the worst-adopted operating system", according to Annette Jump, research director at Gartner, a technology research firm.
    The president of Microsoft International, Jean-Philippe Courtois, opts for understatement: "We don't feel great about Vista adoption."

    Windows reloaded

    Windows 7 is Microsoft's one and maybe only chance to redeem itself. "We have learned a lot from what went wrong with Vista," is a mantra repeated by every Microsoft executive.

    The preparations for Windows 7 have been a remarkable step up from the days of dealing with Vista


    Alex Gruzen, Dell

    For starters, Windows 7 is on time, arriving less than three years after the launch of Vista, which was two years overdue.
    Early users report it to be fast, reliable, secure and easy to use on the move.
    Most importantly, Microsoft went out of its way to avoid a repeat of its biggest Vista mistake, when it failed to prepare its partners for the new system.

    Windows 7 loves Windows 95

    "Peek" helps users find their way around a crowded taskbar

    "The Windows ecosystem is the broadest in the world, and we have to take care of that," says Mr Courtois.
    Microsoft's partners have noticed the change in tack. "The preparations for Windows 7 have been a remarkable step up from the days of dealing with Vista," says Alex Gruzen, the man in charge of consumer products at the computer giant Dell.
    "In the past, Microsoft looked at its operating system in isolation, and gave it to [manufacturers] to do whatever they wanted," he says. "Now they collaborate, help to figure out which third-party vendors are slowing down the system, help them improve their code."
    We expect a tangible Windows 7 bounce [in PC sales]


    Richard Huddy, AMD

    Microsoft, promises Mr Courtois, has "worked very hard with Windows 7 to achieve applications compatibility." When it rolled out the first service pack for Vista, there were a mere 2,700 applications certified to work with the system.
    At launch, Windows 7 boasts 8,500 certified apps.
    And if you want to use old software on your computer, Microsoft has built in a "compatibility tool" that allows you to run applications that were built for operating systems as old as Windows 95.
    Windows 7 also has a smaller "footprint" than Vista. It needs less computing power so older PCs run it quite happily. "Our PCs have gained another two years lifetime," says Chris Page, who deployed Windows 7 on nearly 700 computers in schools run by Warwickshire County Council.
    Just one five-year-old laptop refused to run the new operating system, he reports.
    The best or worst of times?
    But is this the right time to launch an operating system? Parts of the world may be out of recession, but investment remains low and consumers are facing the prospect of rising unemployment.
    The timing, however, might actually be Microsoft's biggest asset.

    The new Taskbar preview is popular with users


    "Technology has always been leading economies out of recession," says George Colony, boss of tech research firm Forrester.
    Despite the downturn, IT investment is growing three times faster than most economies, reports tech industry analyst IDC. Even among consumers there are still pockets of growth, especially small netbooks with their low-power processors, which cannot run Vista but deliver zippy performance under Windows 7.
    The launch of the new operating system will produce "a tangible Windows 7 bounce", says Richard Huddy of chipmaker AMD.
    "Along with that, we're also seeing evidence on a global scale that the recession is starting to lessen."
    "The fact that Win 7 is more efficient than Windows Vista means that it's viable for lower-cost PCs, so I think we can safely say we're increasingly optimistic."

    The bottom line

    At Dell, Alex Gruzen sounds bullish too. Many companies have kept old computers running for at least a year longer than they would normally do. Now "there is some optimism that the refresh cycle will begin over the next year; Windows 7 certainly helps, it provides a good catalyst for it."

    April 2014: the deadline for Windows XP

    A changed digital world is also driving change. Consumers and corporate computer users are becoming more mobile and Windows XP simply was not built for that.
    Forcing the issue, Microsoft has said it will stop supporting Windows XP in April 2014. And even if there is an extension, by then most makers of third-party software for XP will have phased out their support, says Steve Kleynhans, vice-president of research at Gartner, "which will increase the pressure to upgrade" to Windows 7.
    Also, organisations testing Windows 7, such as the UK accounting firm Baker Tilly and the City of Miami, report sharply lower support and energy costs, and higher productivity, according to Stella Chernyak, the product manager for Windows 7 Enterprise.
    Gartner's Steve Kleiynhans also counsels companies against the traditional wait for "Service Pack 1", because these days Microsoft rolls out upgrades and updates continuously. The service pack will be a mere catch-up for those who have failed to install them.
    The bottom line for Mr Courtois: "We expect business to adopt Windows 7 much faster" than previous operating systems.

    Watching rivals

    Microsoft has tidied up Windows Explorer

    At Gartner, Annette Jump is more cautious: "We don't expect that Windows 7 will drive PC shipments," although companies "really will have to" upgrade to Windows 7, because otherwise "the support costs for older PCs will be piling up".
    Microsoft's timing has been helped by the fact that one of its arch rivals, Google, won't launch its lightweight operating system Chrome OS before the middle of next year, which will be plenty of time to establish Windows 7 firmly in the netbook market.
    Also useful is the misstep of its other nemesis, Apple, which uncharacteristically botched its new operating system Snow Leopard, not anywhere near as badly as Vista, but enough to give Microsoft a clear run for its Windows 7 launch.

    Windows' last hurrah?

    "I really have to go back to Windows 95 to remember people being so excited about a new operating system," says Mr Courtois, a 25-year veteran of Microsoft.
    "Windows 7 is everything that Vista promised to be and more," enthuses AMD's Richard Huddy. Dell's Alex Gruzen calls the software "outstanding."
    This may be hyperbole. Gartner analyst Annette Jump, for one, calls Windows 7 "a polishing release of Windows Vista".
    But most reviews have been positive, even enthusiastic. "The fact it's an operating system I see nobody complaining about [suggests] you have something that's really good and solid," argues Mr Huddy.
    That alone will not banish the fundamental threats to Microsoft's business model, though.
    Over the next few years there will be "a big shift to [operating system] neutral applications like browser-based apps, Java, Silverlight, Flash, .Net", says Mr Kleynhans at Gartner.
    "That will limit the dominance, the factors that drive people to have Windows."
    Should Microsoft rest on its Windows 7 laurels, it might end up being its most, but also its last, successful operating system.

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    why are these people upgrading ? if it works, don't change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    why are these people upgrading ? if it works, don't change
    Which people? Mac or PC users?

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    It's trump cards for geeks. Who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Which people? Mac or PC users?
    PC in that case, actually same with the Macs

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    Well, if W7 is quicker than XP and more compatible with contemporary software releases, it would make sense to upgrade. The main reason for me would be to get past the 3 Gb RAM issue, but I could also upgrade to XP64 to do that.

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    ^ Have you tried the new Windows Explorer in Win7 ? you are going to cry, it is like being on MacOS X, unusable

    3GB RAM for watching porn sounds a bit high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    3GB RAM for watching porn sounds a bit high
    Some of these HD movies need quite a bit of RAM, especially when you're got 3 or 4 movies showing at the same time for that extra special wanking session.

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