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    Gaming desktop advice please

    My son wants a fukking 3 grand gaming desktop for his birthday

    I have other ideas.

    Ive been looking at the entry level Alienware Aurora R8 from Dell at 799 then adding a better processor, graphics card and whatever after.

    It looks like everything is a piece of piss to upgrade on that machine.

    So, which components do I upgrade first and in what order please?
    And what should I upgrade to?. I read the i9 is overkill.
    And any other thoughts or advice or better alternatives?

    Thanks in advance


    Heres the specs on basic R8


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    What games does he play ?

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    Fortnite, GTA, Battlefield, Red dead redemption, anything that involves shooting and pillaging

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    Dont buy pre-built, build your own from scratch.

    Build it with your son, he will think you're a god.

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    Wouldn't you go for a slightly better processor? i3, i5, i7, i9 don't always mean what they say; i.e. the core count, hyperthreading, etc, might end up making an i5 better than an i7.

    - processor, start off with a good one, if you have a good cooling system then a i7 will be fine, but a fast i5 with hyperthreading can be good enough. No need for an i9, imho.
    - RAM, 32GB is overkill (a friend of mine does gaming and he has an 8GB system he is happy with); best go for 16GB.
    - graphics card, 560X is about as low as you'd wanna go (the RX 580 would be better)(the Vega 56 or 64 would get the job done really well).

    I've specc'd one out for you $1695:

    i5 9600k
    GeForce RTX 2060
    16 GB DDR4 RAM
    256GB SSD + 1TB SATA (keep the games library in the SATA then transfer to the fast SSD when playing...)
    Liquid Cooling 850w - the cooling will dramatically affect the processor speeds.
    Killer x2 Fast LAN/bluetooth

    &, Bob's your mom's brother...

    Oh yeah, one final bit of advice for gaming = don't buy any of that shifter Apple stuff...
    How do I post these pictures???

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    ^ cheers mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    ^ cheers mate.
    You're very welcome.

    That'll be $1305 for the advice, I'll send the invoice over with the mutt (free)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    That'll be $1305 for the advice,
    Ok. Stick it on the final tab.
    I havent finished with you yet.

    These are the only options that come up. Why no i7 or i9 on there?

    And whats the difference between these two i5s


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    ^ Overclocking ...

    Before you learn how to overclock your CPU, there's a few basic principles to get your head around.
    The first one is heat.
    Inevitably, the more voltage you add to your components, the more heat that component is going to produce.

    Second, the higher the clock speed you're trying to achieve, the more voltage you will need to power that attempt.
    Makes enough sense.

    And thirdly, there's only so much voltage your PC part can take before you start to see detrimental effects.
    These could be a drop in frame rates for GPUs, corrupting processes on the CPU, or even a failure to boot at all.
    https://www.techradar.com/au/how-to/...ur-cpu-1306573

    No charge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    And whats the difference between these two i5s
    the K - usually means unlocked multiplier

    you might find MSI to be better value for money than alienware

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    You tight fucker, just get him what he wants

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    I build my own PC's and I always have. I would suggest that you and the boy do the same together as a family project. It really is not that hard to do. With regards to the gaming laptop stay away from them they are all overpriced shit. A proper desktop for gaming.

    I9 is a rip at this point. Betty's suggestions look pretty good but I would go i7 instead of i5 so I would take an i7 8700k.

    This is where Betty goes off the rails..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Liquid Cooling 850w - the cooling will dramatically affect the processor speeds.
    I have no idea what that is but it seams to me he is talking about two different things. Liquid cooling is not measured in watts but powersupply's are. LC will also not affect a processors speeds as long as it is not overheating. The only thing that can increase a processor's speed is by overclocking it. Something I do as an advanced user but it will not be something that will be of much benefit to your son.

    If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them Dilly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I would suggest that you and the boy do the same together as a family project.
    dill being in thailand and son in the UK means just buying a prebuilt gaming rigs is a better option

    building your own PC is quite simple when you have done it numerous times or have pulled apart and upgraded machines

    what will you suggest they do when they find the new processor and the mobo BIOS do not gel until the BIOS is upgraded ? this is a position I found myself in a couple of years ago , but I had the means and knowledge to resolve the issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    I build my own PC's and I always have. I would suggest that you and the boy do the same together as a family project. It really is not that hard to do.
    Itll be different in the US, cus you get your eletronics far cheaper, but reading on a UK site, the model- the cough 2,800 one, would cost more in the UK to build yourself.

    Plus with Dell, you get a warranty and they send a technician around your house if you really fuck it up

    So we are going with the pre-built easily addable extras.



    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them Dilly
    Thanks.first off will that basic set up even run games with an i3 processor? Should i upgrade it straight away to the 80 quid extra i5 or make him wait for a bit and get an i7?

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    eyefive for games

    the wording seems to indicate the K is already OC'd

    the graphics card is a couple of generations old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack meoff View Post
    You tight fucker, just get him what he wants
    Fuck that shite ... 3,000 Pounds ... that's my budget for a car!

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    ^ He is loaded mate, 3k is carry out change

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    eyefive for games

    the wording seems to indicate the K is already OC'd

    the graphics card is a couple of generations old
    Whats eyefive?

    Do i need to underatand overclocking?

    That graphics card will do for a bit, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Itll be different in the US, cus you get your eletronics far cheaper, but reading on a UK site, the model- the cough 2,800 one, would cost more in the UK to build yourself.
    :......)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Fuck that shite ... 3,000 Pounds ... that's my budget for a car!
    125,000 baht! What????


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    My son had one custom built to his specs, and it was way cheaper than that. My brother is a gamer and has some water cooled monster the size of a couple of suitcases - however he works. Would suggest the same to you - he can blow 3K on a computer when he earns his own money.
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    And whats the difference between these two i5s

    The 9600k uses hyper-threading which effectively doubles the amount of cores (for applications that take advantage of it, as many/most,?, games do nowadays). The number crunching that I've seen averages at between 25%-40% faster for the threaded cores, but it's more complex than that, depending on application, etc - for a small amount of extra money it's worth it.

    Depending on the specific chip, recent intel's, as long as the system is well ventilated, run close to their max clock speed a lot of the time, especially i5s, whereas i7s might boost up and down very quickly; it all depends on the specific chip and implementation, but:

    an Intel i5 6 core 6 threads is fast - should satisfy any game.

    These are the only options that come up. Why no i7 or i9 on there?

    My guess is country option - I looked at the US site. That i5 9600k will see you alright - it's a fast chip...

    Look at it here, see all the i7s below it...

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    Fuck off Jack.

    I used to get a fuckin cowboy suit or subutteo for my birthday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    dill being in thailand and son in the UK means just buying a prebuilt gaming rigs is a better option
    Ah I see. Didn't know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    what will you suggest they do when they find the new processor and the mobo BIOS do not gel until the BIOS is upgraded ?
    Not to buy that motherboard in the first place.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dilly View Post
    first off will that basic set up even run games with an i3 processor?
    No stay away from that i3 it is shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dilly View Post
    Should i upgrade it straight away to the 80 quid extra i5 or make him wait for a bit and get an i7?
    Get the i5 9600k for the extra 170 quid. That is actually a very good processor. Can you upgrade the graphics card as well because the one it comes with is shit?

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    are you charging per paragraph.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    an Intel i5 6 core 6 threads is fast - should satisfy any game
    Thats all you needed to write mate: and all I'm gonna pay you for)

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