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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999
    why do you say this, because of the nasty viruses?
    no - because they are not interested in how the machine works

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    Well these new all-in-ones are pretty hot competition for a Mac. The top end Acer is 60K bt and shits all over a Mac in most regards. I'm waiting for the next version of windows and maybe the new chip as they seem to be milking the shit out of these i7, "generation 5" now I beleive.

    Surely an overpriced Mac is not the answer for the gent on the basis of simplicity. Its not like you install your own RAM and stuff these days, I dont see how you need to be in tune with your machine to run windows.

    http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review...u5-610/541282/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999
    Its not like you install your own RAM and stuff these days, I dont see how you need to be in tune with your machine to run windows.
    It's the simple fact that Mac blocks everything and Windows doesn't - allows the fatal click - that anyone who understands executable files would never click on. Macs are good for people that can afford a little more and don't want to worry about basics they don't know about and have no time for (fair enough too)

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    What everyone is saying is if you are a computer retard (like, say, Butterfly), it's best to just buy a Mac but don't tell your mates or they'll think you're a poove.

    And don't expect it to be virus free or unhackable, because it doesn't work like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    If you don't have the most basic computer skills then Mac is much much easier - but you pay for that.
    Spot on there Nastypiece ! your bang on the money

    My piss easy to use for thickos Mac allows me to use a really easy program like Bryce to create what normally would be even to a hi so Windows clever than thou twat to create spectacular works of digital art !

    Yet another endorsement of the superior Mac ( for those who can afford one )
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    buy any apple computer !

    PC'S are for cabbages ! or most people, see avatar !

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    My pragmatic 2c.

    So far I have not had any virus problems and I only use AVG free.

    If you are not a wannabee techie and just want a workhorse PC, buy an HP all-in-one.

    It is essentially a notebook inside a big screen that sits on the desk. Good for surfing, downloading, streaming, posting on TD etc.. No mess just put it on the desk and plug in. Only thing I don't have that I should but.. is USB 3.0, I think, as uploading to USB drives is slow, but I manage. Other than that very happy. Have a couple of mates with them as well and they are happy.

    Dump all your stuff on a portable hard-drive and then simply swap it over.

    At Pantip for instance Window 7 is free. But I am not up on what version is better.
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    If the OP wants a iMac, go for it...

    A couple of people I worked with recently got iMacs, and they didn't do the job for them, but they needed connectivity and flexibility - iMacs are just a pain in the arse in this regard. I wouldn't buy an iMac cause I use my pc/phone for a lot of music, and I don't wanna piss around with iTunes (one of the worst elements of an iMac).

    I don't like Microsoft either and have tried other options like Ubuntu - didn't work too well. I'm thinking about getting a chromebook and going on the cloud along with a decent small portable HD for music/files. Might also go for a tablet running android, hdmi out to the tv, bluetooth k/b, dock, etc for when at home.

    But, at the end of the day, much as I hate them, a Microsoft running laptop/desktop is still the best option, probably.
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    It is the smugness of the Apple stores, their employees, products and, it has to be said, many of their sheeplike customers that I find so grating. Like Starbucks, BMW and Louis Vuitton, their image is more important than what lies behind their facades of quality.

    True, Apple products are appealingly designed, but they are just another form of white goods, and like television sets, washing machines and fridges, they are disposable machines, plastic and metal, obedient slaves to be used, abused and thrown away as soon as their usefulness has ended, rather than loved, cherished, and worshipped for their look, feel, perceived superiority and of course, membership to the smug clique of brandsters that is conferred on users.

    For run of the mill home browsing and e-mails, a cheaper lower specced machine from a decent brand running windows, ( with a decent free anti virus, spybot s and d, automatic cache and registry cleaners etc.) should do all that is asked of it and last for five or six years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    It is the smugness of the Apple stores, their employees, products and, it has to be said, many of their sheeplike customers that I find so grating. Like Starbucks, BMW and Louis Vuitton, their image is more important than what lies behind their facades of quality.

    True, Apple products are appealingly designed, but they are just another form of white goods, and like television sets, washing machines and fridges, they are disposable machines, plastic and metal, obedient slaves to be used, abused and thrown away as soon as their usefulness has ended, rather than loved, cherished, and worshipped for their look, feel, perceived superiority and of course, membership to the smug clique of brandsters that is conferred on users.

    For run of the mill home browsing and e-mails, a cheaper lower specced machine from a decent brand running windows, ( with a decent free anti virus, spybot s and d, automatic cache and registry cleaners etc.) should do all that is asked of it and last for five or six years.
    And then you can bung Puppy Linux or DSL on it and get another five years out of it.

    Most people only email and browse anyway, so why they keep wasting money on overpowered toys I have no idea.

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    People who buy Apple products tend to be a bit dull. They don't have to think about what they are doing when they use them. The downside is that they cannot do all the things a PC can do, they are expensive to run as Apple tries to sell stuff all the time and, of course, the open display of the Mac shows the world "you are not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree".

    The only Apple product I have is an iPod Classic. It's a pain in the arse to use but its huge memory makes it a winner. Otherwise, lay off Apple products.

    Acer are currently producing better products at less than half the price of any Apple computer.

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    My dear Tax, run-of-the-mill is perfectly fine if that is what your aim in life is. Cloistered in dismal obscurity amid the anodyne it is quite natural for you to opt for the mediocre and humdrum.

    Frankly, I have had enough of laptops and Microsoft.They get filthy inside, particularly in Bangkok with the omnipresent pollution and humidity, over heat and cut out and despite one's best endeavours some nasty virus inevitably finds its way in.

    I have decided to go with a Mac mini, configured with a fusion drive, and to sort some display out etc. Incidentally, I have found that in each apple store there is some chap who speaks reasonable English, knows his product line and is quite capable of conversing intelligently about the pros and cons of Apple. Contrast this with the usual, insipid, bisexual chickenhead to be found elsewhere who, in between bouts of pimple squeezing and nose picking, follows one around inanely grinning and occasionally uttering the word "discount " whose ignorance of the product is only exceeded by his hopeless inability to express it.

    Sorry Tax, you're batting on a sticky wicket here. Apple is cool and folk like me who choose their products are,de facto, cool too.

    Anyway, you haven't a clue about fusion drive or FireWire , so, up your bottom.

    Can 123, you are a self confessed Ŵelsh person and therefore an idiot. Be quiet.

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    Good choice ^ your just gonna love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    I have decided to go with a Mac mini, configured with a fusion drive, and to sort some display out etc.
    Congratulations on coming out.

    Incidentally, I have found that in each apple store there is some chap who speaks reasonable English, knows his product line and is quite capable of conversing intelligently about the pros and cons of Apple.
    Well that's not very difficult is it?

    Pros: "They look pretty, and are recommended for idiots who don't understand how to use proper computers".
    Cons: "They're overpriced shit".


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    Does Apple give you a special badge to wear to show how silly you are when you don't have the machine with you ? The Mini is ridiculously expensive and cannot run many conventional computer programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    The Mini is ridiculously expensive
    It's only 340 pounds in Thailand, the same price as a midrange smartfone

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    cannot run many conventional computer programs.
    WTF is a "conventional computer program"?

    The disinformation and FUD being thrown around in this thread is really quite shocking.

    Who was it referred to the Mac mini as a "high end machine"? On what fucking planet is a mini a high end machine? Planet Butterfly maybe..

    I am sure gent will enjoy his nifty little Mac, and the comfort of knowing that a full-blown UNIX operating system sits beneath the pleasant GUI and is just fingertips away if he wants to open a terminal and use it.

    Personally I wouldn't go for a mini, by the time you have shelled out for a decent display and a nice keyboard and mouse you might as well just buy the smallest iMac if portability is not an issue and have it all in a neat package.
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    Dillinger, he's Welsh and therefore quite thick. The poor numpty probably can't comprehend the notion that with the disparity in VAT rates, things can be cheaper in Thailand.

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    Well said, Corholla.

    Actually, I thought I was boxing a bit clever in opting for a Mac mini in that should I wish I can unplug it and take it wherever I want. Also, as I understand it, I can upgrade the RAM capacity from cheaper third party sources but at a reasonable initial cost I can increase operating speed through their fusion drive.

    A decent display can be had for 10,000 bt and I figured I could get the best of both worlds for around 40,000 bt.

    Incidentally, can't one download windows if one wishes?

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    incidentally, can't one download windows if one wishes?
    snigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    The Mini is ridiculously expensive
    It's only 340 pounds in Thailand, the same price as a midrange smartfone
    You can buy a superb Acer machine for that complete with display. Conventional programs used by me include those for trading foreign exchange and sports betting, none of which will run on a Mac at the same speed they run on a PC.

    People cannot help being dull, helpless and hopeless and I am pleased that Apple cater for them.

    More intelligent people will, of course, continue to understand how their tools work and use them properly. None of my tools has been infected with a virus and all work splendidly.

    I would be ashamed to be seen with a Mac. My grandfathers didn't struggle up to their knees in water, picks in hand and gulping down coal dust for me to be so uneducated as to use a Mac. I owe it to them to exhibit the intelligence they clearly passed on to me.

    My birthright is "not to own a Mac".

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Actually, I thought I was boxing a bit clever in opting for a Mac mini in that should I wish I can unplug it and take it wherever I want.
    I am sure that it has come as a relief to all of to be told that you appreciate the significance of the word "mini". None of us would seek to own a big laptop which came with a fork lift truck as a standard accessory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent View Post
    at a reasonable initial cost I can increase operating speed through their fusion drive.
    So how much extra was the fusion drive and how big is it?

    Did you compare the price to, say, a Seagate hybrid, which is essentially the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post

    My birthright is "not to own a Mac".
    Only the Welsh could reduce life to such piffling terms.

    Just as well there are so few of the silly little fuckers.

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    Harry, it would be 6,500 bt for 1 TB. Not that much different I suppose from the Seagate thingy when one takes convenience into account.

    To be fair, as in all my high ticket items bought through life, I do like the aesthetics of things and I think Apple stuff is just so damned attractive. My first real camera was a Nikon FE2. Beautiful bit of kit, did the biz, absolutely gorgeous to look and to hold. Handsome is as handsome does.....

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