No, that just makes you a smartarse.Quote:
Originally Posted by quimbian corholla
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No, that just makes you a smartarse.Quote:
Originally Posted by quimbian corholla
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This, to me, is the crux. Price. & the way some folks worship the brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by robuzo
I also agree with AO that Apple make decent products that work well and continue to work well for years.
Ontheotherhand, other manufacturers have caught up with regard to quality and are superior with regard to technology and function.
My beauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutiful Sony is 16,000 baht and is superior in every way to an iPhone that costs more than double the price. &, get this, it's waterproof too... :)
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Dead.
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Alive.
&, here's one I took earlier...
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I don't buy Apple stuff but I admire where Apple comes from. They emphasise design and style often at the cost of price point, they innovate products in radical ways, the world copies them. All today's mp3 players, smartphones and tablets are Apple rip-offs. They have a vertically integrated design philosophy which does not work for me personally but it works for lots of consumers and the design flowdown benefits us all.
Sony Walkman never existed ? My current phone is Sony Xperia. It does everything I want to do with a phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
^you're not worthy, Cannot321.
Having said that, I had a tiny Sony mp3 player (some bloody Sony ATRAC s/w...) probably 20 years ago that was the first of its time, well ahead of an iPple device. Although I accept some of Looper's points, I don't believe that Apple stands for those design principles any longer. Jobs was obviously a smart guy, since his demise, the company have really gone downhill, imho.
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Expensive, but it was the dog's bollocks at the time. :)
The Network Walkman was boasted as the smallest digital music player on the market and featured flash memory storage of up to 1 GB. The downfall of the Network Walkman came in the form of its supported file format: The dreaded ATRAC. Sony refused to support the more widespread MP3 file format, insisting that ATRAC was superior.
http://www.geekosystem.com/history-of-the-walkman/
Ah yes, and I am forgetting the transistor radio too, how foolish of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by can123
If I were Sony, I'd sue Apple. Their latest phone, the iPhone 5c, is clearly a copy of an earlier Sony device... :)
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The original (and best...):
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Oh the memories...
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& they call them iTards... :)
(I've probably owned every Sony device above, and more - when's the xperia Z1 available???)
Many of Apple's technical innovations borrowed ideas that had been started unsuccessfully and implemented poorly on a small scale elsewhere. They adapted the ideas using great design and a commercially scalable market model. I do not own any Apple products. I do not sympathise with Apple complaining that other manufacturers are copying them since they borrowed many ideas themselves but I admire the commercial success of their design ethic.
Yes, I have to agree. Sony couldn't have made a bigger bollocks of the Walkman if they had tried ! Silly Japanese people !Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
^is that sarcasm?
The Walkman is and always has been a great brand.
Under Jobs, Apple was an excellent company; quality and design were great, but they've always looked to tie/lock you in (not that Microsoft, Google, Sony (ATRAC...), etc, don't - but Apple are extreme there) and push the brand at massively inflated prices. Great business if you can get away with it!
They were an exceptional brand for a good few years. They no longer are, hence why Árry and others have a pop at the converts. Better tablets and phones exist. Better designed. Better prices. Better technology. Better functionality. i.e. the number 1 tablet in the world (below), and guess what - that's right - it's waterproof too!
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You have to respect what Apple achieved. But, they've lost their mojo...
The Walkman was an epic product and massive success.
It shares as much DNA with an iPod as a sea cucumber does with a dolphin.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
No, I don't. They've ripped people off consistently and now people are catching on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bettyboo
And, if you were a fish, somebody should knock you on the head. What a silly person you are ! Your sermon in praise of Apple is not backed by facts. Nobody is going to think you a little bit daft if you stop promoting Apple goods. Does the story of the little boy and the King who wore no clothes ring a bell with you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
^^hmmm, not sure about that, Looper.
Functionality. Purpose. Quality. Pricepoint (for equivalent product). Colour (:)). Size. They're the same. Evidence number 1 - the latest versions:
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Previous generation:
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Sorry Loops, but they seem pretty similar to me - other than the fact that the quality of the Walkman is gonna be a fair bit better... :)
Of course, I get a great Walkman experience in me Sony xperia Z (one of the main reasons I bought the phone) and all the rest of the phone (camera x 2, HD vid, NFC, all the rest a phone can do), for the price of a iPod.
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That's why folks get irked by Apple - the 64GB iPOD costs nigh on the same as my phone with 80GB memory and all the rest. Who the fuk, in their right mind, would buy one???
I am not a fan of Apple goods personally but history has shown us that they design great products and the world copies them.Quote:
Originally Posted by can123
^Sony's iPod clone is a good example.
I can't see a picture for 2005 but i guess it is an iPod?
The iPod launched in 2001.
Its original design led to it being a market leading and iConic product that will always be remebered as the seminal mp3 player even if the technology could have been seen experimentally elsewhere before 2001.
Many of Apple's ideas are copied but they do great design and I admire the way they turn that into commercial success. It is an opinion of the company and its design philosphy and market strategy.
I personally do not get excited about Apple product launches and do not own any Apple stuff.
^ it's the little iPod shuffle; looks very much like the Sony of the previous decade...
^That might've been the case - and they have come out with some very nice designs; The i4 upto the present day i5s are nicely designed phones.
But, the iPads are now outdated, selling for prices well above their 'worth'. The i5c is low technology by today's standards, it's plastic and cheap feeling, but the price is premium - they've lost the plot, imho, as the loss of ,market share shows.
5c:
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HTC One which is superior in every way, according to masses of reviews, yet they are the same price... :(
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ok, the new 5s, although it has problems and is very expensive, is a new and nice phone. Not worth the money, imho, but it's a top end phone... But, the 5c above is expensive and cheap and low tech... :( Apple have lost the plot.
^thankyou Betty. I now regret jailbreaking the teakdoor picture resize script!
^it's fine on my 800 pixels...
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Haven't you got the Google Nexus 4, Looper? An excellent buy; best value for money top end phone from the last 18 months.
^I do.
My opinion of Apple Corporation's methodology, performance and place in history are separate to my personal product preferences.
^fair enough.
I don't have a problem with Apple, just their prices and the way they treat the sheeple... I would be quite happy with a i5s - nice camera, nice size, nice screen (it's just not worth the price when compared to other products - it's 3 times the price of your phone and, arguably, no better at all). I'd have a problem with iTunes though, and I love me music. The Sony running Android is great for music, and this win8 laptop is great for music, downloads vids straight from Youtube via Megatube into MediaMonkey.
Even folks that love Apple complain about iTunes - music is probably my number one concern in a phone, so I just couldn't deal with iTunes.
The new Nexus should be out within a month - might make my xperia z look dated, and probably cheaper too...
Not any more it doesn't. They haven't had an original idea since the iPad. Everything they've done since is copying everyone else. Smaller tablet, bigger phone, Android-like UI, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
Apple made the first tablet?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
No but they made the first consumer-accessible tablet and that's why it flew off the shelves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
Try and keep up, FFS.