Thread: Windows 8 is a Pile of Crap

Originally Posted by MongersSyndicate

What's the point getting personal over computer operating systems lol. Ubuntu is just the easiest alternative for everyone who wants try something else than Windows. 99,9% of the population dont know nor care what a "distro" is anyway, so it's more simple to point them towards "Ubuntu".

99.9% of the population wouldn't understand Ubuntu and it wouldn't work with half of the hardware out there anyway.

I'm still on Vista

I've been using 8 about 3 months now and it does grow on you eventualy.

Must admit it was a complete pain in the arse to start with, so I had to download the classic start menu from windows 7. Now all is good.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

99.9% of the population wouldn't understand Ubuntu and it wouldn't work with half of the hardware out there anyway.

It's more like 50%, and Ubuntu works with any hardware. Maybe it's a long time you didn't check it out.

Canonical has released Ubuntu 13.04 Raring Ringtail, most likely the last release of Ubuntu that will primarily cater for laptop and desktop users. For Ubuntu 13.04, Canonical focused on tightening up the core of the OS and polishing the Unity interface in preparation for Ubuntu’s smartphone and tablet debut, which is slated to occur in October with the release of version 13.10. There’s also the usual slew of package updates, a new Linux kernel, and a couple of new features, too.

The first thing you’ll notice is that the PC in general, is faster and more responsive. This is down to Canonical putting a lot of time and effort into tweaking Ubuntu’s core libraries, to reduce the CPU and memory usage of system processes, resulting in a snappier interface (Unity) and installed apps. This tightening of Ubuntu’s core should also reduce power consumption, which is good news for laptop users. While these changes will obviously help laptop and desktop users, their primary purpose is to prepare Ubuntu for its debut on smartphones and tablets, which generally have less RAM and weaker processors.

Originally Posted by Tickiteboo

Must admit it was a complete pain in the arse to start with, so I had to download the classic start menu from windows 7

So you obtained this from Microsoft?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's not actually, it's quite well done and a serious alternative to Windows

lolz...Ubuntu stopped being cool in like 2011 dude

I don't see the point in an upgrade unless you want to use touch screen.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

99.9% of the population wouldn't understand Ubuntu and it wouldn't work with half of the hardware out there anyway.

Wrong on both counts.

My Windows 8 refuses to start these days, "bad pool header". Good job I didn't pay for it.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

disagree, the users that do those upgrades deserve all the crap they get for being clueless and gullible idiots,
idiots should be punished for not taking the time to investigate and justify any upgrades they want to make,

That's true. At work they asked me if I wanted it installed to replace XP. I told them to go ahead even though I was quite pleased with 7 which I use at home. I thought I would try it out even though I heard some negative reactions from users. I had no idea it was such a radical change from 7 and XP. My fault but I will figure out a way to live with it.

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

99.9% of the population wouldn't understand Ubuntu and it wouldn't work with half of the hardware out there anyway.

Wrong on both counts.

My Windows 8 refuses to start these days, "bad pool header". Good job I didn't pay for it.

No spin on that answer.


What hardware are you using? Is it Windows 8 certified?

And what antivirus?

Originally Posted by Spin

^ Lemme get this straight, first you declare Ubuntu incompatble with half the hardware in existance and then with the next breath you ask me if my hardware is windows 8 certified?

I've installed and run ubuntu on no less than 30 different work computers, all wildly different ages and specs over the last three years. Never had any trouble with bsod and certainly never had to install stupid anti virus software.
Actually, the only place any instance of windows that i have to maintain that doesn't give me headaches sits inside virtualbox.

Even Ubuntu has a certified hardware list, you numpty. Try installing it on a Samsung laptop for example. I don't recall installing Windows ever being able to brick a laptop.



And as for thinks like 3G modems, it's pot luck if you get one that works or not.

Most vendors don't even bother writing drivers for Ubuntu, and if Canonical don't do it, you're out of luck.

That's the point. You can install Classic Shell and use it like Windows 7, but Windows 8 is only a swipe away (although I rarely use it).

Ubuntu will run on everything, the older the PC, the better. Most users don't need the latest PC hardware for doing the lame stuff that they do. Actually, they could use the hardware of PCs 6 or 7 years ago, and they wouldn't tell the difference.

A bit like a grandmother driving a Ferrari, she wouldn't tell the difference and would be better off driving her wheel chair for what she does.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You can install Classic Shell and use it like Windows 7

then why upgrade ? isn't it demonstrating even more the stupidity of those who do ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You can install Classic Shell and use it like Windows 7

then why upgrade ? isn't it demonstrating even more the stupidity of those who do ?

In my case, it came on two of my machines, so what else was I going to do? Downgrade?

Duh.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Ubuntu will run on everything, the older the PC, the better. Most users don't need the latest PC hardware for doing the lame stuff that they do. Actually, they could use the hardware of PCs 6 or 7 years ago, and they wouldn't tell the difference.

A bit like a grandmother driving a Ferrari, she wouldn't tell the difference and would be better off driving her wheel chair for what she does.

If I was using hardware that old, I'd be running Puppy or DSL. Both perfectly useable.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And as for thinks like 3G modems, it's pot luck if you get one that works or not.

It s actually the contrary, most 3G modems works right out of the box by using generic linux kernel drivers and there is no need for a product specific proprietary driver unless the mfgr has managed to do a fuckup.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Most vendors don't even bother writing drivers for Ubuntu, and if Canonical don't do it, you're out of luck.

Which drivers, not part of the generic linux driver collection, are specially needed for Ubuntu?

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And as for thinks like 3G modems, it's pot luck if you get one that works or not.

It s actually the contrary, most 3G modems works right out of the box by using generic linux kernel drivers and there is no need for a product specific proprietary driver unless the mfgr has managed to do a fuckup.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Most vendors don't even bother writing drivers for Ubuntu, and if Canonical don't do it, you're out of luck.

Which drivers, not part of the generic linux driver collection, are specially needed for Ubuntu?

Most of the Huawei range will not work out of the box, and they are probably the biggest 3G dongle manufacturer. I could list all the model numbers but that would be pointless, I'll leave you to Google it.

Like most things in Ubuntu you can normally frig it or use NDISWrapper, but that is definitely out of the reach of the average user.

You only have to look at this example of such nonsense to realise that Windows is the way to go:

NM Mobile Broadband workaround

Lubuntu ships with console PPP dialer wvdial, and menu driven PPP
configuration utility pppconfig.


1. wvdialconf/wvdial
********************

Plug in your modem and run "sudo wvdialconf". If everything is ok,
wvdial will generate a configuration file /etc/wvdial.conf

Edit this file, uncomment and enter Phone, Password and Username.

Run "sudo wvdial" to get a connection

If you need to enter an Access point, add following lines to the
/etc/wvdial.conf:

Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","your.access.point.name"


2. pppconfig/pon/poff/plog
**************************

Run "sudo pppconfig"

Select "Create a connection"

Enter connection name, e.g.: 3g

Select "Use dynamic DNS"

Check Authentication Method for provider and hit "Ok"

Enter username

Enter password

Enter port speed

Select Tone

Enter phone number, e.g.: #777

Try autoprobe modem.
If it fails just enter your modem device, e.g.: /dev/ttyUSB0
To find out your modem device unplug it/plug it, run "dmesg" and see
log output.

Select "Finished Write files and return to main menu"

Quit

A new configuration file will be placed in /etc/ppp/peers/ folder.

Now when you have made a PPP configuration run "sudo pon 3g" to
initiate connection.
"3g" is a provider name you've entered before.

Run "sudo plog" to see connection log output.

Run "sudo poff" to disconnect.

Who the fuck wants to go through those hoops when you can plug it into Windows and get it working with a couple of clicks?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And as for thinks like 3G modems, it's pot luck if you get one that works or not.

I've configured ubuntu to work with all the major thai carriers 3 g service, also cat cdma. Also 2 different Singapore telecoms with usb dongles supplied in Singapore. Vietnam 3g also, all done over 10 or so different machines over the last few years.

Really do you know anything about Ubuntu and it's capabilities or are you just making this up as you go along?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Ubuntu will run on everything, the older the PC, the better

Indeed

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Who the fuck wants to go through those hoops

Admittedly, spastics should not try and use Ubuntu.

Anyhoo Microsoft stock is going to zero, it's a good long term short-sell in my book.

What are they gonna do when every pc ships with android or ubuntu installed?

Originally Posted by Spin

Admittedly, spastics should not try and use Ubuntu.

And most people stuck on Windows XP and complaining about EOL fall into that category.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Most of the Huawei range will not work out of the box, and they are probably the biggest 3G dongle manufacturer.

Yes they are the biggest and all of their 3G dongles works right out of the box if you are using a recent Ubuntu build.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

NM Mobile Broadband workaround

A workaround from 4 years ago, from Ubuntu 9.04, are you kidding?
Network Manager has been much improved since then and can nowadays handle all kind of 3G dongles from all mfgrs.
Windows forces you to install a Connection Manager software from the dongle, a software which is provider branded so you will end up with one installed for each provider you have and they will often conflict with each other.

^^ Being stuck on Xp is not such a bad place to be.

Just wiped my windows 8 off this machine, what a load of shit that was.

Originally Posted by lom

Windows forces you to install a Connection Manager software from the dongle, a software which is provider branded

Right at the top of the shit-pile was Novotels Mobilink lite, that was a bastard to get runninng well on 64 bit machine! plug and play my arse.

Originally Posted by Spin

^^ Being stuck on Xp is not such a bad place to be.

Just wiped my windows 8 off this machine, what a load of shit that was.

Did it come with WindoW 8 or were you just trying it out?

^ Just trying it out, that whole Metro thing licks balls, just like ubunty unity, what on earth were they thinking?