Thread: Where to buy a Dell R320 in Thailand (Chiang Mai)

Picked you to be first in I should be a gambling man.

Your insight is appreciated.

This is for a dirty stinking start up sports betting operation

Got the story covered, but if I ship it to PH, will there be problems at that end?

What a bunch of corporate anal tossers. let a punter have a server ffs. Unfortunately they must have Dell for whatever reason, they can get R310 but no it's gotta be R320

Oh yeah, the re-seller had a price, a flat rate plus extra for components, they'll be sending a quote, it's about 60K TH each I think.

Anyway this little favour has become a headache now should have consulted the butterman earlier.

Manila has prices quoted too, cheap, about the same as Thailand, US about the same too, just Australia expensive, and they also won't send to PH. Just that PH only has R310 and not R320. It does sound like a load of shit eh.

why does he want to host himself ?
get a decent VPS host

Originally Posted by 9999

Got the story covered, but if I ship it to PH, will there be problems at that end?

yes, could be for the warranty, usually 3 years with parts and labor, the DELL reseller there might refuse to serve you since you didn't buy from him. If you are a multinational, it could be accepted but an individual ? probably not,

Originally Posted by 9999

Unfortunately they must have Dell for whatever reason, they can get R310 but no it's gotta be R320

depends on the application specs, some software publisher have tendency to "overstate" specs to hide the fact that their application is a bloated piece of shit. Sometimes pure ignorance on the real performance will have them ask for the maximum specs. DELL usually asks which application and they will size it for you. That's probably why they were asking all those questions. Their role is to make sure you don't buy something that is under specs or even over specs (if they do their job well, some do actually) for that application.

Also some licensing costs are CPU or Core based and DELL will have "solutions" to minimize those costs for your licensing optimization. Again, a service attached to the questions they might have.

so again, it's not simply about buying a server but how about to build a feasible solution for a given IT project.

No wonder you are having headache, it's not for your average user or TD resident PC tard

Originally Posted by 9999

US about the same too, just Australia expensive

could be import duties, a lot of countries with no DELL assembly base nearby will ask for import duties if they are shipped from overseas. It used to be the case for Thailand, DELL were very expensive and had no service then, and were imported from SINGAPORE. Since they installed a reseller base here (BOI I suspect)

Originally Posted by baldrick

why does he want to host himself ?
get a decent VPS host

VPS are for tards and small players, some apps need to be dedicated on a real physical server with a real P2P network behind it, not the hack you get for 100 USD per year

Originally Posted by Butterfly

VPS are for tards and small players

translation

" I cannot configure a server via CLI "

Originally Posted by baldrick

" I cannot configure a server via CLI "

how is it fucking related, you idiot

Originally Posted by Butterfly

so again, it's not simply about buying a server but how about to build a feasible solution for a given IT project.

And therein lies the problem. The 'tech' guy is a 3rd party software provider, as they are slowly developing their own. And yeah, bloated as fuck.

So he tells him they have to get Dell but offers no suppport apart from the list of specs / options to run their bloatware.

I was looking at HP for him and asked if the equivalent would be any good, but like what butters kindly offered up, they need Dell specifically.

I don't really get it. The servers need to be housed at a place called 'WiFi city' in Manila whilst the operation will run from a remote office. All a bit strange, wouldn't you have your servers on site? It might be a licencing thing, they're making a big effort to regulate gambling and create an international sports betting hub. All the Asian soccer betting money goes through Manila eventually. And I think servers need to be housed in a specifically approved location.

Reckon there's a risk of the servers getting seized by customs on the way through DHL? My mate plans to claim them and pay the tax. I don't think they'll be aware of Dell's silly rules.

the story doesn't add up, is betting illegal in Australia ? why not do in Europe then ? ask for a DELL server to be setup in a data center in Europe, easy

how much budget do they have for that project ? sounds like your friend is out of his paygrade on this one, and is trying to fix something he has no clue about

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the story doesn't add up, is betting illegal in Australia ?

Read the thread. This is to Manila, as they don't stock the exact model.

Australia has very liberal gambling laws. Online sports betting is rampant. The suburbs are full of slot machine clubs, but what can you expect, games of vice played excessivley with state sponshorship in a nation founded by convicts.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

how much budget do they have for that project ? sounds like your friend is out of his paygrade on this one, and is trying to fix something he has no clue about

You assume too much Butters. True, he has no clue about servers, and has bad tech support. But guys just don't go chumping around setting up licenced sports books in Manila to compete on the global stage. Entry level aint cheap.

The story is that this particular server is not available in the Phillipines, but is in Thailand, and we thought it would be easy to ship them over. The manila gaming licencors of which he is technically a subsidiary to are of no help.

I suspect it's a dodgy spread/arbitrage betting operation and they need to get it setup in a way to evade tax. Their customers will probably be making payments into some offshore bank for the service (The actual bets are handled through real bookmakers).

Originally Posted by Gerbil

I suspect it's a dodgy spread/arbitrage betting operation and they need to get it setup in a way to evade tax.

No, it's a licenced bookmaking operation. They have regulations, a specific company must house the servers, the business is registered and have already paid a fuck load of tax before opening the doors.

Geez, you can feel the negativity oozing out here.

These Manila bookie operation are now sponsoring EPL and other major soccer club shirt sponsors. Not that my friend is in that league, but it seems a good business to get into. The Philippine government are welcoming it and getting a shitload of revenue. Funny too, it's illegal for Philipinos to bet online, they just want the overseas dosh. They take a shit load from China.

9Crown.com - The Best Online Casino, Poker Games & Sports Betting that's the kind of shit they're doing over there, but this guy is more targeting Australia, where it is perfectly legal to bet online from wherever, and much cheaper than setting up shop in Australia.

And why would a scalping boiler room need 3 x enterprise servers?

Originally Posted by 9999

The story is that this particular server is not available in the Phillipines, but is in Thailand, and we thought it would be easy to ship them over. The manila gaming licencors of which he is technically a subsidiary to are of no help.

get the R610 and add an extra 4 core CPU, that should do it for their POS software

Originally Posted by Gerbil

I suspect it's a dodgy spread/arbitrage betting operation and they need to get it setup in a way to evade tax

who the fuck knows what it is, the whole story doesn't add up, the tech guy seem as clueless as his friend sponsoring the business.

Online betting places excessive demands on servers if they are the Bet 365 type of operation taking bets on live sporting events. 'Server is busy, try later' doesn't hack it in this type of environment and they are also prone to DOS attacks due to the small time windows of their events. They are 'bleeding edge' mainly due to rapid expansion on the wrong platform, i.e. started with Windows/SQL Server years ago and are pushing the envelope.

I seem to recall offshore betting to avoid tax regulations was/is extremely popular and in the USA in particular was illegal, as if that was going to stop it. It needs top of the range kit and top of the range IT staff with very specialised knowledge. If it is SQL server based, I'm available for a decent rate

Originally Posted by Gerbil

So this 'legitimate organisation' who have paid 'a lot of money' to setup their operation, now want to save a bit of money by importing grey market enterprise servers, which they will not be able to get support on when they're installed, as DELL will know they were not supplied through the correct channel?

Total bollocks.

indeed, strange story

unless they want to have an "off the book" server to do something not declared, whatever that might be

Originally Posted by BigRed

Online betting places excessive demands on servers if they are the Bet 365 type of operation taking bets on live sporting events. 'Server is busy, try later' doesn't hack it in this type of environment and they are also prone to DOS attacks due to the small time windows of their events. They are 'bleeding edge' mainly due to rapid expansion on the wrong platform, i.e. started with Windows/SQL Server years ago and are pushing the envelope.

if it was for a top of the line ops, they wouldn't order an entry level server like the R310 but go instead for the R610/R620

yeah, the live betting with thousands of users would be intensive and would need serious hardware and software. Windows and SQL Server could hardly be called serious for that kind of IT project, even though you will find them quite often because of their low cost (SQL server license are cheap)

Originally Posted by Gerbil

now want to save a bit of money by importing grey market enterprise servers,

No. People never read, just cuss. The closest place the model he needs is available in Thailand. Not in PH. Australia and US won't ship to PH either.

Originally Posted by BigRed

I seem to recall offshore betting to avoid tax regulations was/is extremely popular and in the USA in particular was illega

It's a big no go in the US. Yes, Manila is friendly to sports betting operations, it's no tax haven though.

Originally Posted by 9999

The closest place the model he needs is available in Thailand.

take an alternative model then that is available in PH, quite simple. As usual with you, we are missing half the story and you are hiding half the truth. Must be that professional thing going.

Originally Posted by 9999

Australia and US won't ship to PH either.

then order in Australia for deliver in Australia and then he can take a plane with the server in his luggage (about 20kg) and do the delivery himself in PH. Problem solved.

btw, the R310 is a low end model. He should contact DELL in PH and ask them to size it for him. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

take an alternative model then that is available in PH, quite simple. As usual with you, we are missing half the story and you are hiding half the truth. Must be that professional thing going.

The tech guy insisted on the 320 model. It was a point of contention. I know you're trolling, but I'm being completely transparent here.

Guy wants some servers, nearest place in Thailand, he reaches out to a mate who is in business there, that's about it. WiFI City, the hosting location for the servers to comply with PH gambling laws, had many options, and basically said if u want the 320 get it from overseas, they dont have them.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

then order in Australia for deliver in Australia and then he can take a plane with the server in his luggage (about 20kg) and do the delivery himself in PH. Problem solved.

Exactly what he wants to do, but we are doing it from Thailand. Better chance of dodging import duty via DHL than lugguage (declared) I'm told.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

btw, the R310 is a low end model. He should contact DELL in PH and ask them to size it for him. Problem solved.

Cheers I will pass that on.

Originally Posted by 9999

Better chance of dodging import duty via DHL than lugguage (declared) I'm told.

not a chance with DHL, they will have to declare electronics and won't take the chance to hide it

Originally Posted by 9999

The tech guy insisted on the 320 model.

ask the tech guy why, they are usually idiots who are looking for new toys, so there might be no justification for it except the new DELL server he wants to get. The R310 is the previous generation, which is still perfectly acceptable. Unless the application is using a special feature of the E5 CPU series, which I doubt, there there is no need.

Also the tech guy is from where ? India ?