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    Ordination ceremony at Wat Pa Pao : Chiang Mai

    On Sunday April 6th there was an ordination ceremony @ Wat Pa Pao. A bunch of little boys became novice monks. It's a Burmese temple, so there was some differences than in the Thai tradition. The main one I notice was after the ceremony the little monks were carried out of the main temple area. Not sure why, if someone knows please let us know.

    I was teaching on Sunday, so I came late, so I didn't see much of the actual ceremony.

    Of course I snapped some photos, I used 3 cameras to document the day, my HOLGA 120mm, fisheye 35mm & my digital Canon. Because I like my film pictures so much these days, I'll only share those right now.

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    On the way to the ordination ceremony I was over loaded w/ people to photograph.

    This first man has a beautiful face & excellent body language. It'd be difficult to mess up a portrait of him, he is elegant.


    If looks could kill:








    Here's the actual ceremony (it was wrapping up @ this point):


    After the ceremony the novice monks were carried out, as I mentioned I'm not sure why:






    This little boy was too much of a ham to be carried!


    It was vary crowded:








    This little girl is so cute & the light leak looks bad ass:




    It was pretty hot on Sunday!
















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    Good stuff. I like this temple - great atmosphere. There's an agency there for Tai yai maids as well as a 'master' who will perform black magic spells on your enemies.

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    Good eye. Very nice photos.

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    Lovely photos, Bustak. Wat Pa Pao isn't Burmese, it's a Shan/Tai Yai temple, the Shan are Tai peoples who mostly, but not all, now come from Burma. The Shan area of Chiang Mai is close to the temple, at Chang Phuak. The ceremony you saw was called Poy Sang Long. It goes on for about three days. The boys to be ordained are called Luk Kaeo, Crystal Sons, and they're dressed like divine princes of heaven. As they're symbolically divine beings their feet shouldn't touch the ground, traditionally they would have been on horseback although these days they're normally carried by their fathers or their older brothers. The Shan community in Chiang Mai had been in a bit of cultural decline for a while and up to a year or two back they had to go to Mae Hong Son for ordinations but the monks at Pa Pao, which was the first Shan temple in Chiang Mai and is built in the style found in pre-Myanmar Shan state, decided that the community needed a shot in the arm and that after 60 years of no ordinations it was time to start doing them again. You're lucky you went when you did, expect the place to be jammed with tourists in a year or two.
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    Thanks for the information professor!

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    great thread and photos once again this forum is a mine of good info

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    Wasn't The House restaurant originally a Shan princess' home? Until the railway opened from BKK to CM in the early 1920s I would imagine there was little Siamese influence on the general public of Lanna. The 'liberation' of the North in the late 18th century by Siam could be described as colonialism. You had the 'Kings' of Chiang Mai but they were basically administrators for Bangkok. The culture and beliefs of much of Lanna life seems to be heavily influenced by the Burmese Shan. Many temples have 'Lanna' script but this is just a derivative of Burmese. Fascinating stuff.

    Has anyone read WAR Wood's books?A Consul in paradise and Rhinocerous blood. He arrived in CM as the British Consul in the late 19th century and lived here until the early 1970s. His stories are great reads and offer a great insight into life then. Beheadings and rhinocerous hunts... He, and his Shan princess wife, are buried in the farang cemetry near the Gymkhana Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveRobin View Post
    Wasn't The House restaurant originally a Shan princess' home? Until the railway opened from BKK to CM in the early 1920s I would imagine there was little Siamese influence on the general public of Lanna. The 'liberation' of the North in the late 18th century by Siam could be described as colonialism. You had the 'Kings' of Chiang Mai but they were basically administrators for Bangkok. The culture and beliefs of much of Lanna life seems to be heavily influenced by the Burmese Shan. Many temples have 'Lanna' script but this is just a derivative of Burmese. Fascinating stuff.

    Has anyone read WAR Wood's books?A Consul in paradise and Rhinocerous blood. He arrived in CM as the British Consul in the late 19th century and lived here until the early 1970s. His stories are great reads and offer a great insight into life then. Beheadings and rhinocerous hunts... He, and his Shan princess wife, are buried in the farang cemetry near the Gymkhana Club.
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    Just want to point out that Lanna script is not "just" a derivative of Burmese (a statement likely to get you crucified on the nearest Kalare ), Burmese and Lanna scripts are both derivatives of the Mon script and are not otherwise related. You should also be aware that the Shan people are ethnically T'ai originally and not Burmese and it's misleading to imply that they had much to do with Burmese culture, Burmese influences in the North came mainly from conquest by the Burmese and not from interaction with the Shan (who were far more influenced by Chinese culture than Burmese culture themselves). Also the Kings of Chiangmai were not administrators for Bangkok until the time of Rama III, before that there were strong links between Lanna and Siam but Lanna, while occasionally paying tribute to the King of Siam, or Ayyuthaya, or whatever, was still mostly independent. It was Rama V who mainly made Lanna subservient to the center by taking over the prerogative of appointing Lanna royalty himself and it was the 1902 rebellion which eventually led (after a great deal of brutality which has somehow escaped many histories) to the complete domination of the Lanna areas by Siam.
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