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    Quote Originally Posted by TTraveler View Post
    This size seems pretty standard in SE Asia. It is a good thing that many foreigners aren't usually coming with much more than some luggage. I don't plan to spend a lot of time at home anyway. Does the condo have other amenities like pool and gym? I don't need much space to be on my computer or watch TV. If the condo has good enough amenities, what else do you need except a place to sleep?
    Living space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...many will happily suffer for their principles...
    I don't suffer in any way, yet I absolutely disagree with dual pricing, most especially at government properties. Of course in UK this would be a criminal offence, so I am not alone in thinking it is offensive behaviour.

    If my pink card gets me in at the local price then I'll go in. If they want triple or more, I just don't go in. I lose no sleep over not spending my money there. Tell me what I've missed.

    Surely it is wrong for the government to inculcate in its population a sense that this kind of discrimination is appropriate?

    I am not on a crusade to right the wrongs. I am not trying to pursuade others nor am I going to abandon all principles.

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    I guess from the developer's perspective they're insuring against foreigners of uncertain or temporary visa status doing a runner or other assorted fuckery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Even "Ten large" is a lot of money to Thais, considering it's non-refundable and the developer gets to keep it for a couple of years.
    Honestly HB, that's just buyer beware. I'd never drop a non refundable deposit. Maybe 10% non refundable if I backed out.

    Sounds like a long term scam. Condo's are a dime a dozen right now. She should buy one established.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Living space.
    I think living space and land cuts are generally smaller in SE Asia. As I've said, here in PH a condo unit with 21 to 28 sqm size is common. I've seen some foreign vloggers stay in such areas (either single guy or a young couple). For these condo buildings, it's usual to have a pool at the ground level and a rooftop area where one can chill or hold parties. Though to hold parties, one probably has to get permission from the condo management.

    Here in PH, cuts of land are now generally smaller - due to increasing population. In my hometown, decades ago, cuts of land were 400 to 1,000 sqm. Now, I've seen areas in subdivisions (moobans) which are 100 to 300 sqm.

    Then there are the housing developments, usually rowhouses (which are like those houses in the Monopoly game). You buy the land + house/ apartment. I've seen projects wherein the house is 20 sqm per floor/ 4*5 m (2 storey apartment), then the lot area is 40 to 60 sqm. Space is at a premium.

    Something similar to this (photo from web). Usually low cost housing units.

    Racism at the condo developers-screenshot_20220317_115723-jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Of course in UK this would be a criminal offence, so I am not alone in thinking it is offensive behaviour.
    Australia has dual pricing for parking, state parks etc where they have a tourist price and local price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Australia has dual pricing for parking, state parks etc where they have a tourist price and local price.
    Equally offensive, possibly more so. I have never been and this is another reason not to bother.

    Russia does too. I couldn't get local price at The Hermitage. I did pay the extra there, on the basis that it was worth seeing and I'd never get a second chance. On the other hand, it still irks me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    yet I absolutely disagree with dual pricing, most especially at government properties
    Counterpoint: dual pricing at Govt. properties is actually more justified than private businesses because those properties are taxpayer funded and if you don't contribute to that then you should pay more.

    Works on the local level too--e.g. my home town is somewhat of a tourist hotspot and last time there my sister and her kids were admitted to an attraction for free on proof of address (i.e. they pay local council rates) whereas I had to pay despite growing up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Counterpoint: dual pricing at Govt. properties is actually more justified than private businesses because those properties are taxpayer funded and if you don't contribute to that then you should pay more.
    Yes, that is the argument used, although I don't agree with it myself. I and others here have paid Thailand income tax without getting some of the benefits that Thai people receive.
    There are two points of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    I and others here have paid Thailand income tax without getting some of the benefits that Thai people receive.
    I've heard of people being refused local pricing despite showing Thai ID / work permit etc. but never experienced it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I've heard of people being refused local pricing despite showing Thai ID / work permit etc. but never experienced it myself.
    As a brown handicapped midgets we get away with moirder

    I raise a stout paunch and a glass of whiskey .

    I have heard many foreigners are not only willing to pay for admission , but even tip the hostess .I believe this is known locally as BARF INE

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Yes. All of them have this "reservation fee" which is not really a deposit. I think it's more to gauge genuine interest. I was genuinely not interested
    Most Thais who pay 10K wait until they have to pay the balance and then try to sell their reservation for say 80K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Equally offensive, possibly more so. I have never been and this is another reason not to bother.
    Why? Locals pay extra taxes for those facilities, being charged more then represents double taxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I've heard of people being refused local pricing despite showing Thai ID / work permit etc. but never experienced it myself.

    It always worked for me (back when I lived in Thailand)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    It always worked for me (back when I lived in Thailand)
    It is about 50/50 for me. But in all honesty it probably comes down to who is on the counter that day as much as any real policy regarding foreigners who work here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy View Post
    Honestly HB, that's just buyer beware. I'd never drop a non refundable deposit. Maybe 10% non refundable if I backed out.

    Sounds like a long term scam. Condo's are a dime a dozen right now. She should buy one established.
    It's not even a deposit. It's a "reservation fee" and it seems to be the norm for off plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Most Thais who pay 10K wait until they have to pay the balance and then try to sell their reservation for say 80K.
    As do many chinkies by all accounts. It's called "flipping".

    I forgot to ask if that same figure applied to them. Probably does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy View Post
    She should buy one established.
    Oh don't worry, she was laughing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy View Post
    You do realize " 100 Large" is about $3k ? You make it sound like the person dropped this huge amount of money.
    the fact that she was even considering the transaction indicates she may be one sandwich shy of a picnic, and as hard as it might be for you to understand, to some people 100k might be a considerable amount.

    p.s. do tell us again how wealthy you are stumpy, you haven't posted any dick waving pics of your fantastic possessions for a while.

    get with the programme stumpy you silly american, judging all things by their economic value, and scorning those of lower socio-economic status. cant you see that materialism and over consumption is so 20th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    the fact that she was even considering the transaction.
    She wasn't when she found out what it was and the terms. And that was only 10k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Australia has dual pricing for parking, state parks etc where they have a tourist price and local price.
    NZ as well

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    Yea that is a really shitty thing to hear Harry but not surprised and it is the reason that we are finally moving back to the UK 100% for at least a decade when my last kid goes to uni there. The racism and the violence against foreigners in Thailand really gets to me as well. Islands like Koh Tao should be nuked with all the farang apologists in situ. I also don't like the racism against what I consider to be the real Thai's either. The countrysides educational system has been kept shitty so that all it produced is whores and factory workers to build the hotels and to service the tourists. They then in turn are actually usually the ones to strike out at farang, even though their position in life has been made worse by their own 'people'. Rant over.

    Anyways on a different note, better to buy a house with land and get a car then live in the big hot stink. I haven't missed living in the centre of the big stink one bit. All these condos flying about are overpriced and undersized because the Chinese don't care, they just want to get whatever they can out of China. If you really want to buy a condo, better deal is to buy an old condo and do it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    sloppy lack of professionalism with little apparent concern for the developer's commercial reputation...we were later told this practice is common with many (all?) condo developers in Thailand...
    you still went ahead?

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    Having bought three properties in Thailand, and erected another, my advise is... Rent.

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