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    Quote Originally Posted by Molle View Post
    What is the lifespan of the BYD car battery?

    Frequently Asked Questions. How long do BYD batteries last?
    The BYD ATTO 3's battery is guaranteed by the manufacturer for up to 8 years or 125,000 miles, which is a long time.

    Is it worth it to replace the battery in an electric car?

    The battery in an electric vehicle represents up to 70% of its entire value. If the battery dies, so does the vehicle. However, despite common misconceptions, the lifespan of an EV battery is longer than you may think. Used in optimum conditions, it should last between 15 and 20 years depending on the manufacturer.
    This represents the manufacturer trying to excuse the high cost of battery replacement and maintenance under ideal conditions.
    Not every driver will comply with such conditions, even in a car based on relatively new technology. It’s taken long enough for users to learn the value of keeping service records up to date, just to preserve the value of an internal combustion engine.

    Many new cars are deployed as fleet cars, driven by people who don’t care much for servicing and maintenance.
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    China's BYD acquires 20% stake in Thai dealer Rever Automotive

    BANGKOK, July 6 (Reuters) - China's BYD (002594.SZ), opens new tab, will acquire a 20% stake in its local distributor Rever Automotive in Thailand, its largest market outside of China where it is an electric vehicle market leader, the companies said Saturday.


    The Shenzhen-based automaker opened its first factory in Southeast Asia in Thailand this week. The $490 million factory will have an annual manufacturing capacity of 150,000 vehicles and employ 10,000 workers.

    Rever Automotive, opens new tab, which has over 100 showrooms in Thailand, launched the sale of BYD vehicles in 2022 and BYD soon became the country's top-selling EV brand.


    "We are thrilled to deepen our partnership to accelerate the adoption of electric vehicles and contribute to Thailand's transition towards a more sustainable future," said Liu Xueliang, BYD's Asia-Pacific auto sales general manager.


    Thailand is a regional auto assembly and export hub, and has long been dominated by Japanese car makers such as Toyota Motor (7203.T), opens new tab, and Honda Motor Co (7267.T), opens new tab and Isuzu Motors (7202.T)

    In the first quarter of 2024, BYD commanded a 46% share of Thailand's EV segment and is the third-largest player in passenger cars, according to research firm Counterpoint.


    The acquisition comes as Rever faces a government investigation over steep discounts which have left some past customers feeling they overpaid for their cars.

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    BYD will always find it difficult to ompete with Toyota (The world leader in auto sales) and Honda (The worlds best in auto reliability).

    Kudos to the Chinese rubbish maker for trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Other EV manufacturers in China including Western companies such as Volkswagen, BMW and Tesla would be subject to duties of at least 20.8%. The commission mentioned that Tesla might get an “individually calculated” rate if duties are definitively imposed.
    A month ago, the price of Tesla model dropped. But now the company is raising it again

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    Just over a month ago, the price of Tesla's Model 3 took a dive downwards.

    But now, as announced, the company is raising the price of the model again.

    This is most likely due to the tariffs that the EU imposes on electric cars built in China, according to Ilyas Dogru, consumer economist at FDM, with whom B.T. has spoken.

    "We don't know the final amount of customs duties yet, but the EU is already demanding that car manufacturers provide a guarantee for any tariffs, and that's probably why the price increase is coming now," Ilyas Dogru told BT.

    The Tesla Model 3, which was previously available for less than DKK 300,000, has now become DKK 12,000 more expensive.

    Tesla announced the possible price increase back in June in connection with the EU's tariffs, and now it has become a reality, writes Ritzau.


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    Is there room for further cuts in EV prices?

    Chinese manufacturers of electric vehicles (EVs) have made tremendous inroads into Thailand’s auto industry in a short time, commanding the largest market share collectively.


    Their marketing strategy of offering substantial discounts, however, has angered many of the people who had bought the cars before the price cuts.


    BYD, China’s largest EV-maker, has slashed prices of its models several times due partly to high competition.


    In the latest bout of price-cutting last month, the prices of its model fell by 10-15% to below 1 million baht.


    This infuriated buyers who had very recently paid more than 1 million baht for the same model.


    They are now demanding compensation from the automaker, claiming they were kept in the dark on the impending price cut.


    They have even threatened a boycott of the company’s products in the future.


    The anger among the buyers was so great that the Thai government set up a committee to look into the matter.


    Realising that it was proving to be a PR disaster, the company has promised them compensation.


    Recently executives of BYD met with Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, who asked the carmaker to undertake appropriate marketing campaigns.


    The surge of Chinese EVs has caught many automakers off guard.


    Slashing prices of new models has impacted sales of new cars as well as the used-car market.


    The latter was hit hard last year, as many car buyers failed to service their instalment payments, forcing financial institutions to dump seized cars into the market, leading to a sharp fall in the prices of used cars.


    Traditionally, carmarkers price their new models higher than the previous ones.


    Chinese carmakers reversed that practice, which has disrupted the car market, according to Krisda Utamote, president of the Electric Vehicle Association of Thailand (EVAT).


    “It not only hurt the auto industry but also car owners, who found their car value plunging. Nobody benefits from such a practice,” Krisda warned.


    He urged the auto industry and regulators to discuss ways to ensure a smooth transition to EVs.


    Yossapong Laoonual, honorary chairman at EVAT, said that Chinese automakers could slash prices because they could cut their production cost.


    “As they produce and sell more electric cars, they can achieve large scale production, resulting in cost savings,” he said.


    Compared with the car prices in China, there was room to further cut prices in Thailand.


    However, it would also depend on the production costs in Thailand, Yossapong said.


    Another reason electric carmakers could lower prices was due to the falling price of batteries, which is an important component of EVs.


    After the recent experience, many customers may opt to wait for the next round of price cuts, he added.


    Japanese carmakers retreating from Thailand?


    Two Japanese carmakers — Suzuki and Subaru — have announced plans to close their manufacturing plants in Thailand. They cited slower sales.


    However, Toyota executives still believe in their advantages and the company cited its success in the sale of hybrid vehicles.


    Last week Honda announced that it would cease the manufacturing of vehicles at its factory in Ayutthaya province by 2025, and move operations from there to its plant in Prachinburi province.


    Amid falling sales, and intense competition, Honda has seen its production decline from 228,000 in 2019 to under 150,000 a year since then.


    Some experts speculate that BYD and other Chinese EV-makers would replace Japanese carmakers in Thailand’s auto market in the future.


    BYD opened its first manufacturing plant outside China in Thailand on July 4 with an investment of 18 billion baht. The plant at the WHA Industrial Estate in Rayong province will have the capacity to produce 150,000 EVs per year.


    Other automakers, such as MG, Great Wall Motor, Changan Automobile, GAC Aion, NETA and Foton have already made investment commitments to manufacture EVs and battery plants in Thailand.


    Recently Chery Automobile pledged to build a factory in Thailand next year, according to Thailand’s Board of Investment (BOI).


    Thailand is aiming to establish itself as a premier hub for EV investment. The government has pledged to manufacture zero-emission vehicles with the ambitious aim of making EVs 30 percent of total car production by 2030.


    In spite of fierce competition, Thailand has managed to elevate its position as a leading producer of EVs.


    In 2023, the sale of EVs from Thailand grew tenfold compared to the previous year, helping to establish the country as the largest producer of EVs in Southeast Asia, accounting for more than 75 per cent of total battery-electric vehicle (BEV) sales in the region during the first quarter of 2023, accordion to the BOI.


    Concerns over future of car parts-makers


    Since EVs need fewer parts compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) cars, the emerging situation could have an adverse impact on the local car parts manufacturing, which currently caters to ICE vehicles.


    Supavud Saicheua, an advisor at the Kiatnakin Phatra Financial Group, warned that car parts manufacturers would certainly be adversely impacted by the emerging electric vehicle industry.


    Krisda, however, was more optimistic saying that some manufacturers could take advantage of the new industry as some parts — such as car seats, and glass components — could be used for all types of vehicles.


    Overcapacity in China


    Many countries, especially in the West, have blamed overcapacity in China of electric vehicles and other products for flooding global markets and threatening the survival of local industries.


    They also complain of the Chinese government providing unfair subsidies to Chinese firms. In response, the Joe Biden administration has imposed a 100 per cent import tax on Chinese-made EVs and the European Union has imposed multiple rates against Chinese EVs.


    Most companies are facing hefty extra tariffs of between 17.4% and 38.1%, on top of the 10% duty already levied by the bloc.


    Faced with high tariff barriers in the US and Europe, many Chinese carmakers may be tempted to increase their efforts to sell more cars in Thailand and other regional markets.


    To protect local consumers and guard against Chinese EVs and other cheaper products, Korn Chatikavanij, a former finance minister suggested that the Thai government raise the safety standards of Chinese products.

    Is there room for further cuts in EV prices? - Thai PBS World

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    BYD group is already the biggest manufacturer of EVs in China.

    They will build cut price EVs in China and Thailand, and get around EU tariffs with their new production facilities in Hungary.

    BYD are probably looking at a similar project in Canada or South America, to try and cut the 100% import tariff in the USA.

    China once again looking to exploit national governments policy on EV introduction dates. The slow down in EV popularity will be determined by manufacturers and customers, not by global government edicts.

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    BYD offers free charging for a year in response to customer complaints following price reduction

    Ms. Jiraporn Sindhuprai, Minister attached to the Prime Minister’s Office, announced measures to address customer complaints submitted to the Office of the Consumer Protection Board regarding the recent price reduction of electric vehicles by BYD on July 31. The announcement followed a meeting with the company’s representatives.


    Mr. Pratarnwong Phornprapha, CEO of the Rêver Automotive, which distributes BYD cars, attended the meeting and provided information on the company’s response plan. The initial relief measure includes offering free charging at 2,000 stations for one year, starting August 1st. This initiative aims to address concerns raised by customers who felt impacted by the price adjustment. The measure applies to approximately 50,000 customers who purchased BYD vehicles before the price cut, she added.


    Ms. Jiraporn emphasized the company’s commitment to resolving the issues and assured that additional measures would be considered.


    “This is an initial measure. We will consider additional steps and continue discussions with the company,” Jiraporn told reporters.


    The decision follows earlier talks between Thai Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin and BYD executives from China.


    Ms. Jiraporn said the government’s Office of the Consumer Protection Board will invite company representatives and complainants for further mediation, with details to be announced at a later press conference.


    BYD’s Thai distributor, Rêver Automotive Co., Ltd. has been cooperating with authorities to address consumer concerns, the minister noted. (TNA)

    BYD offers free charging for a year in response to customer complaints following price reduction - Pattaya Mail

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    I watched a video about EV's in China that I found interesting so I'll repost it here.
    Background: Edison Motors in Canada have built a sample electric truck and are about to produce conversion kits for SUV's and UTE's.
    Deboss Garage who has done many engine swaps and built their own trucks is one of their partners who will do conversion of ICE vehicles to EV. The video is from a visit to China they made in order to find mfgrs of electric drive trains and other parts that they need and it was covered in a previous episode.
    In this episode they take a look at the Chines EV market.

    I would like to apologize to anyone I have not yet offended. Please be patient, I will get to you shortly.

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