Thread: Dark Clouds Ahead

Originally Posted by DC101

political response by BOT and third hand that might artificially send THB up

...no need to worry: the local PM is an efficient baht suppressant...

One of the reasons I'm shorting... Hey maybe new happy song will make the nation to rise. ffs

The front is the health care against covid.

I have friends who work in health care NSH and Medicare. You haven't heard of the covid? Let me tell you people get sick, when they can't breath they go to emergency, then they go to respirator, then most die.

Hope you you don't need help from my friends. But they will give you the best treatment even if you are a sick useless fook. That's what they do

Originally Posted by Slick

Personally I hope the baht tanks from all this

"All this" means huge unemployment numbers and economic suffering for the most vulnerable of your adopted home country.

You hope Thailand go bust, because of exhange rates.

Aren't they just lucky to have people like you.

Cynics

Originally Posted by tomcat

65K deposited monthly from an outside account

Originally Posted by helge

Cynics

I knew he wasn't alone in this.

I understand your point and even his

Did you understand my "all this" comment

Originally Posted by helge

I knew he wasn't alone in this.

...insightful...

Originally Posted by helge

I understand your point and even his

...that remains to be seen...

Originally Posted by helge

Did you understand my "all this" comment

...yes: he's being hurtful to Thai folks...your English isn't that obscure...yet...

Originally Posted by helge

"All this" means huge unemployment numbers and economic suffering for the most vulnerable of your adopted home country.

Oh but we must look at things from the perspective of pure economics.

Bringing human misery into the equation is unbusinesslike.

Even for a parent and husband, apparently.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...that remains to be seen...

It's about Mammon.

Does it offend you to be called a Cynic ?

Truth hurts sometimes

No. I think there is a wide spectrum of people who feel this way. And more than probable someone might have said you similar things.

I'm not accusing you of the things some age-related nick person did on some other chat. Actually haven't seen that, but that's the principle.

When I have just joined a forum and I'm accused right off the bat of being someone else who I am not, I must consider my options. A) the forum is inward bubble of duck fuckers (it's a Thai insult, pal) and I'm kicked out or B) I'll just carry on and ignore you. And tell you I have lived in Thailand since Thaksin so I know a few things.

I needed to make this declaration because I've just arrived here

Originally Posted by helge

Does it offend you to be called a Cynic ?

...no, I revel in the term...does it offend you to be called simplistic?...

Originally Posted by tomcat

does it offend you to be called simplistic?..

Depends on who says it, I guess.

From you: Not so much.

Thailand was lucky last year while the Wuhan virus was hitting the states/Europe, etc. hard.

Those economies suffered greatly from the lockdowns with the US economy shrinking 30% in the second quarter last year.


Thailand and many countries not hit hard by the Wuhan virus last year will likely see a severe economic depression this year.


It remains to be seen how much Thailand's rise in exports to the west (their economies recovering) will bolster the Thai economy.

Originally Posted by Samuel

Thailand was lucky last year while the Wuhan virus was hitting the states/Europe, etc. hard.

Those economies suffered greatly from the lockdowns with the US economy shrinking 30% in the second quarter last year.


Thailand and many countries not hit hard by the Wuhan virus last year will likely see a severe economic depression this year.


It remains to be seen how much Thailand's rise in exports to the west (their economies recovering) will bolster the Thai economy.

That is true, but there's also undercurrent of Thai businesses becoming less competitive with mil1taaru rule. Everything is set by someone on the top, you get that, I get this. Micromanagement to the price of eggs. That is not market economy. Large corporations wanted to be with jxunta and didn't compete now they can't survive in international competition. It's a bomb that has been falling, just now clouded by covid.

Originally Posted by helge

"All this" means huge unemployment numbers and economic suffering for the most vulnerable of your adopted home country.

Thailand is not and will never be my "adopted home country" and thats not my doing, its theirs. Nothing of any importance is here other than a house and our truck. Everything of importance stays in the states.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Oh but we must look at things from the perspective of pure economics.

Bringing human misery into the equation is unbusinesslike.

Even for a parent and husband, apparently.

You can look at it from any perspective you want, but mine was just the simple truth that some might find uncomfortable, but its true. Business is gonna business as long as they are allowed to business. Its simple physics.

Me being a parent and husband has nothing to do with this. If the baht tanks, I profit. Thailands given me nothing but years of run-arounds and double-speak while allowing me the "privilege" to stay here as long as I can pay for it, all while jumping through hoops and having the ever present threat of deportation for any mistakes. I have no serious attachments to Thailand and the only reason I stay here nowadays is because I have roots here (family) and its a smart financial decision.

So in a nutshell, idgaf.

Originally Posted by DC101

That is true, but there's also undercurrent of Thai businesses becoming less competitive with mil1taaru rule. Everything is set by someone on the top, you get that, I get this.

I see your point — though do you have a specific example of the government doing this?



"Everything" is definitely an exaggeration, right?

Originally Posted by Slick

Thailand is not and will never be my "adopted home country" and thats not my doing, its theirs. Nothing of any importance is here other than a house and our truck. Everything of importance stays in the states.



You can look at it from any perspective you want, but mine was just the simple truth that some might find uncomfortable, but its true. Business is gonna business as long as they are allowed to business. Its simple physics.

Me being a parent and husband has nothing to do with this. If the baht tanks, I profit. Thailands given me nothing but years of run-arounds and double-speak while allowing me the "privilege" to stay here as long as I can pay for it, all while jumping through hoops and having the ever present threat of deportation for any mistakes. I have no serious attachments to Thailand and the only reason I stay here nowadays is because I have roots here (family) and its a smart financial decision.

So in a nutshell, idgaf.

Sorry, need to ask you why are you in Thailand now if you just want to go back to US ? US allows citizens to come home during covid. It's a total contrast to me I want to return to Thailand where my home is and where I've been living happily respecting Thai society and law. Is it so difficult? I'm from about similarly wealthy country as US so it's not about money.

Originally Posted by DC101

Sorry, need to ask you why are you in Thailand now if you just want to go back to US ?

Because I have a wife and daughter in Thailand, and its not that I want to go back to the US and I hate Thailand - I like both equally. Its the immigration policy/government/bureaucracy in Thailand that I cant stand combined the long term uncertainty that comes with committing to live there permanently, especially as one gets old and frail need alot of medical treatment. Not very many people who ive known in real life who have come to thailand to live permanently have actually stayed. Most have fucked off for various reasons.

Originally Posted by DC101

It's a total contrast to me I want to return to Thailand where my home is and where I've been living happily respecting Thai society and law. Is it so difficult? I'm from about similarly wealthy country as US so it's not about money.

Nothing stopping you from going back to Thailand and nowhere in my post did I say I did not respect the society or the law.

Originally Posted by Slick

Business and economics is a immoral game and other than a few outliers, does not care about bodycount as long as they can operate and make money.

^That is sadly the reality. Never kid oneself, it will always be about the bottomline.

I have always believed, it's their country, their rules. If I find Thailands requirements manageable I will stay. Sure some of them make me scratch my head but at the end of the day, I live a far more comfortable life in Thailand then I did in the states. The current exchange rate is just upside for now as it was back in 2005ish when I first started working here. It all goes in cycles. That said though it doesn't make me feel better as I know why it's happening .

On the flipside, I am currently in the states visiting and this place apoears to be a ticking time bomb. The country is terribly divided and the crap spewed on TV and all the news sources just keeps fanning the coals. Most my colleague friends have said people are all about themselves nowadays. There is incredible confusion about what is acceptable covid behaviors. Outside of that though, it's pretty much business as usual with lots of people waiting for the antivaxxers to die off.

Look forward to going home. My wife doesn't really like it here.

Originally Posted by Slick

Because I have a wife and daughter in Thailand, and its not that I want to go back to the US and I hate Thailand - I like both equally. Its the immigration policy/government/bureaucracy in Thailand that I cant stand combined the long term uncertainty that comes with committing to live there permanently, especially as one gets old and frail need alot of medical treatment.

This is my sentiments exactly. I also have a wife and daughter in Thailand and have made a home here over the past 15 years and become established. Those lingering doubts in the back of my mind over those years about my uncertainty have come to the fore with the difficulties introduced by Covid (and Brexit, tbh). To live in Thailand and work regular overseas rotations has become virtually impossible... and that's not due to flight restrictions and ASQ... its purely due to the inflexibility of Thailand's immigration rules. I've now had to go down a route I never wanted to... purely to keep working and support my family in Thailand. To me that stinks and has made me feel even less settled in this country and more inclined to leave when circumstances change.

And I know I can leave if I don't like it... but with a young daughter settled in school and everything else that goes with an established life, that shouldn't be the option. It's rare that offshore workers don't live in their wife's home town as we're away from home so much. I can't believe how difficult the Thais have made it for me and how unwilling they are to make things possible.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

I am currently in the states visiting and this place apoears to be a ticking time bomb. The country is terribly divided and the crap spewed on TV and all the news sources just keeps fanning the coals. Most my colleague friends have said people are all about themselves nowadays.

Probably one of my top five reasons I pull back from the idea of the states. Ive always loved it there- so much to do and see, consumer items are first rate and cheap, cars are better, etc, but the society is fucked and the mews media is horrendous and overbearing.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

If I find Thailands requirements manageable I will stay.

Sounds like you have a choice, which is smart. Ive always kept one foot in the states and the other in Thailand and personally would never commit to Thailand 100% without a plan B option of an easy move back to the USA. So many people Ive known over the years completely sell off their whole lives in their home country and dumped it all in Thailand and rarely does that end well. Nobody can predict whats going to happen in 10 or 20 years and Thailand has zero safety net.

Originally Posted by Mendip

This is my sentiments exactly. I also have a wife and daughter in Thailand and have made a home here over the past 15 years and become established. Those lingering doubts in the back of my mind over those years about my uncertainty have come to the fore with the difficulties introduced by Covid (and Brexit, tbh). To live in Thailand and work regular overseas rotations has become virtually impossible... and that's not due to flight restrictions and ASQ... its purely due to the inflexibility of Thailand's immigration rules. I've now had to go down a route I never wanted to... purely to keep working and support my family in Thailand. To me that stinks and has made me feel even less settled in this country and more inclined to leave when circumstances change.

And I know I can leave if I don't like it... but with a young daughter settled in school and everything else that goes with an established life, that shouldn't be the option. It's rare that offshore workers don't live in their wife's home town as we're away from home so much. I can't believe how difficult the Thais have made it for me and how unwilling they are to make things possible.

Yeah I had to leave Thailand a few days ago to go offshore myself. Was on a 1 year extension that needed to be renewed in August, but couldn't manage to renew it because my employer wanted me back. Immigration wouldnt renew it early, so, its done and ill need to start the process all over again at some point. So now ive got a wife & kid in Thailand, no visa to return, and little options other than a visa exempt entry and then an extension etc. Hoops and more hoops.

I lived in my wifes hometown for more than a decade but recently took us all out of there and moved to Phuket because I refuse to raise my kid in a tiny isaan town with little prospects and spoken english. Phuket is my last attempt at making Thailand for for us, and if it doesn't, then I will have to make a choice on where we are going to live. My kid is still an infant so she's easy at the moment. Phuket has alot of good western stuff, good international schools, and has an international airport so its the best compromise. If it doesn't work out then I have the option of working in the office in Dubai (less pay) and re-locating my family there and putting my daughter in school there, or moving to the USA and continuing to work offshore. The idea pf putting my kid in an american public school makes me want to take a xanax, so Dubai is looking promising.

End of the day Thailand is becoming more of a headache than anything else, and its clear as day they dont care.

Originally Posted by Slick

Dubai is looking promising.

It would have obvious practical advantages, and your kid is at the right age.

Originally Posted by cyrille

It would have obvious practical advantages, and your kid is at the right age.

Downside with that is that I would likely have to delay my retirement for a few years as I would be getting less pay in an extremely expensive country, kiddo would have very little attachment to Thailand, and its hot as balls for half the year.

Really is unfortunate that Thailand is the way it is. I think the best for the kiddo is a good international school in Thailand because she's half Thai and Id like her to to know her own culture & shit, but taken in totality, we'll have to see how it goes.