Thread: Making/losing money on shares

Petrofac (PFC) up 8% today, currently £4.80, getting ever closer to my £5 target but think will hold regardless till August 30 when results are out.

Isn't it buy on the rumor and sell just before the result?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

27 July 2017: TCEHY...Tencent...check out their 5 yr stock chart.

Take a glance at the movement on the stock today as they blew past their quarterly earnings estimate.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Well you posted the numbers. I analysed them, hopefully correctly and concluded that a US$1,250,000 risk of total loss, was not worth a 1.5% profit. You may, as you say be up a larger amount, you may not. This is as we know an anonymous web site. Not one known for it's financial anaylsis. Mostly visited by drunken, financially illiterate vagabonds.

it is very easy to point to past unproven results. Anybody can quote, in hindsight, good market moves. Not many do it on the potential large scale that you may or may not have been betting. The only way proof can be guaranteed is by posting you buy/sell slips.

But I am not expecting you will do that.

As some have posted for every winner there is a loser. Good luck with your hobby.

well said, we are obviously dealing with a complete amateur, at worst a boiler boom boy trying to recruit here

seen those types hundred times in Thailand

Originally Posted by al007

Originally Posted by JayZee

Not sure I understand, if this is % growth per annum very good, if it the total growth over 5 yrs stinks

Yes, it is per annum. Yes, it is good - worth the fees.

So your capital value has increased by approx 60% in the last three years, very nice, why has your superfund and you wife's superfund done relatively so badly

some body got there maths wrong.

Originally Posted by al007

I have wondered about SET several times, but looking at some charts suggests the SET, over the last three years is at break even



If my assumption is correct then maybe Thai market worth a better look at

Also look at ishares ETF THD




Very much stagnated last 5 to 7 yrs, maybe catchup time

I have been enjoying your investment philosophy and tips. Please keep them coming.
I have just started looking at managing my own portfolio, so any beginner tips from the more experienced most welcome.
Cheers, E

Originally Posted by al007

JD,com today at this moment up another 2.3% and its not one of those penny stocks

Its down about 20% before the 5% uptick though (of course up over 50% for the year). How long have you owned it? Any thoughts on Alibaba? Thinking about buying a bit of each. Only need one to really hit...

Originally Posted by eloigorri

Originally Posted by al007

I have wondered about SET several times, but looking at some charts suggests the SET, over the last three years is at break even

If my assumption is correct then maybe Thai market worth a better look at

Also look at ishares ETF THD


Very much stagnated last 5 to 7 yrs, maybe catchup time

I have been enjoying your investment philosophy and tips. Please keep them coming.
I have just started looking at managing my own portfolio, so any beginner tips from the more experienced most welcome.
Cheers, E

Generally:

No simple solution, matters if you are investing or trading, and if your head's above water managing your own portfolio there's probably nothing here you don't already know, like the market gives you an opportunity to risk your money, so after market overheads that your share of trades will pay for what you do make is what others have lost, and don't forget the vice versa.

SET is one of the world's most manipulated markets (you either know that or will pay to learn), so some of this may be counter intuitive. For example, while stop loss minimises risk, that is also a nice way to go broke slowly, so in time if you still have any money left it will be because you ignored that technique, at the right times. Sounds easy; not.

Fundamentals vs technicals: both are important, and when they clash go for the former, but keep in mind that even a strong stock may not be strong forever and can wither against structural changes like new laws, regs, crew, etc.

Stop loss and diversification are both proven to minimise risk. That said, if you're holding a fundamentally sound but falling stock, this is a great opportunity to set aside the stop loss and lower your avg while increasing yield at the same time. If you intend to hold such a stock long term, then unless you are investing for income reinvest that yield back into buying more to further lower your average cost and increase your returns over time.

As you stop blindly following what the experts tip and do your own research, you might check out not just volume but who is buying/selling (institutions, retail, foreigners); fex, if retailers net buy and foreign net sell, it's heading down.

Otherwise the usual stuff, keep your losses small, don't average down (but do sometimes), don't try to catch a falling knife, buy when the trend is up, sell when it's going down, and if you like money don't trust your broker because they like it too.

The www offers a ton of advice and info, but there are also downsides to too much.

None of the above is written in stone, lots of exceptions, good luck.

If my assumption is correct then maybe Thai market worth a better look at

Also look at ishares ETF THD




Very much stagnated last 5 to 7 yrs, maybe catchup time[/quote]

I have been enjoying your investment philosophy and tips. Please keep them coming.
I have just started looking at managing my own portfolio, so any beginner tips from the more experienced most welcome.
Cheers, E[/quote]

no tip, just an opinion. when the herd breaks, pause , let the dust settle and do the opposite,,,, all u need is good timing, and like everything else its all down to luck. just remember, all the bullshit winners on this blogg equals the non saying loosers,,, u win some u loose some. a great asset is being able to lose it, that way u can ride out the losses. me,,, ? last year 7.5 % gain.... i work the set by the way.

Speaking of potentially dumb moves, I am still left wondering whether one of these Chinese companies could be the next Chinese Amazon.

Their stocks seem expensive, but not even in the same realm as Amazon (which I believe is a huge bubble in the making). I'd like to ride that bubble Chinese Stylee....

At the current valuations, it still looks like greed

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by Iceman123

I personally avoid all managed funds. One may beat the market for a period but it is unsustainable over a longer period.

Rather than pay their fees I would think that the investor who would rather take a hands off approach would be wiser to park his funds in an index tracking fund. These consistently outperform managed funds without the exorbitant fees.

I have had managed funds before. One did very well (16% in year), one was a more modest 4%. I've also bought shares. My experience was that the funds were stress free investments whereas I was constantly checking the prices of my shares. I didn't think the fees I paid for managing the funds were exorbitant. Money well spent (for me personally).

If you're holding a fundamentally strong stock long term there's no need to glue your nose to the screen or get stressed out when it drops; the only numbers of interest are what you buy and sell at.

Originally Posted by redhaze

At the current valuations, it still looks like greed

You're right. I've been disagreeing w/ this index more and more lately.


RTH +76.8% gain in my portf. (!!)

my question,, is there any thai stocks dealing with lithium ,, mining or otherwise.