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    This is what it looks like in the daylight. Each campsite has a fireplace and a water tap. There are some big fire pits where you can have a huge fire if you want. Midweek you can often have the place to yourself.


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    Check the tail sticking out of the pouch. She looks well sick of motherhood, and he only just fits into the pouch by the looks of it.

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    Absolutely lovely pictures Johnny and seeing them makes me all home sick.

    Looking forward to enjoying more and thanks for sharing.

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    Some nice birds too. This is the Satin Bower Bird (Ptilonorynchus violaceus). The male is an iridescent blue colour. He is much more elusive than the female and it is hard to get a good shot of. I like their purple eyes.

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    The road out of the caves to the east is pretty exciting, lots of washaways and unfenced cliffs. There are some nice views along the way and an interesting tunnel through the sandstone.

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    A nice relaxing 3 day trip.

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    Nice photos JL, nailed a few of these suckers ^ on the front of the Holden in my time.

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    Great clear pics, nice to see a country town again like that.

    The girls in the paddock made me feel a little lonely.

    As for the wind generators, I have been told that wind is the least effective/inefficient way to generate power....any clues on this ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    As for the wind generators, I have been told that wind is the least effective/inefficient way to generate power....any clues on this ?
    I saw on t'telly that small multi-vane fans in an array were far more efficient than the three bladed variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    The girls in the paddock made me feel a little lonely. As for the wind generators, I have been told that wind is the least effective/inefficient way to generate power....any clues on this ?
    Not too lonely I hope!!

    They say that wind generators are generally more efficient than solar, converting about 20% of the wind energy into electricity. The efficiency measurement factors are all very variable situation to situation, and the cost/benefit analysis would be pretty involved too I guess. This location is very windy being on the central tablelands and those propellors would be turning a lot of the time.

    There a quite a few cost efficient home units available now and combining them with solar, you can make a reasonable amount of power. Storing the stuff is the problem unless you want to go to some 12V system as well.

    NSW is considering a net tariff arrangement, in which housholders and businesses would be paid above the market rate for electricity that they put back into the grid. This could be something like A$.6 a kilowatt hour which is nearly 4 times the cost of coal fired electricity, so the incentives might be there to have a combination system. They are only talking solar at this stage but my bet is that this will be expanded to include wind generated power as well.

    Something to think about for the future. I suppose anything that cuts the amount of coal burnt, and reduces our dependence on fossil fuels can only be good.

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    Nice photos Johnny.

    Its good to see that its green out there for a change.

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    yes but it has to be affordable and worthwhile to make the masses change.

    For example cleanup Australia is great, but then you come to Asia and see the amount of rubbish daily, the amount of wasted packaging in sweets and snacks for kids and it all gets dumped......whats the point.

    Green energy needs the multiplying effect to make it work and to do that it needs to be efficient and affordable and equivelent, or cheaper, or if a little more expensive than traditional energy sources, then it needs to be able to be seen to pay back the investment in a short time frame, say 5 years, not 20.

    Here is an example, I posted here ......this guy spent 1,400,000 baht on his solar system and is so proud that he does not have to pay for electricity anymore and can even run aircon......but if I take that 1.4mil and divide it by my average electricity bill here over the last 3 or 4 years in this house, then it will take 40 years to save that money, in fact it will be more cos in that 40 years you can bet your arse there will be repairs and costs etc to add to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    Green energy needs the multiplying effect to make it work and to do that it needs to be efficient and affordable and equivelent, or cheaper, or if a little more expensive than traditional energy sources, then it needs to be able to be seen to pay back the investment in a short time frame, say 5 years, not 20.
    Yes, spot on. It will be very hard to convince cash strapped people to part with their readies unless there is a clear benefit to them. They recently paid an incentive for people to change over to gas on their cars. The cost/benefit at the time was quite good but then the price of gas just about doubled, and the payback time did too. Unfortunately the vehicles might wear out first.

    A few I know here that have solar simply because it is the only power they can have, reckon it is not so bad so long as you look after your batteries and keep the panels clean and in one piece. Of course everything wears out and you have to change over at a new higher cost when things do.

    For sure that wire from the pole is way ahead on convenience and cost at the moment, but things may change.

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    Nice piccys Johnny, lots of work throwing that lot up well done.

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    at the moment here in ozzie the govt have an incentive scheme, to get people to go green, we have just set up a a solar business rideing on the govt incentives, we are marketing a 1kw system, which includes 6 solar panels [sharp] an invertor for the princley sum of only 2500 ozzie, this system collects about 5kw a day and saves approx 100 a quater of the power bill, the whole thing is means tested and at the moment its the bloody pensioners who are really running with the idea, they love it , grid connect, you pay 16 to 17 cents from the power company and if you are real aware you can export back to the grid at 44cents i,m putting on a 9 panel system and a bigger inverter so i can add later and maybe toy with a stand alone system down the track, there is so much more in alternative energy that we really should be getting onto, ie bio desiel as for wind generators i,m still not 100% sold yet seems to be a bit of dicking around and a lot of moveing parts that can/do fuck up

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    So can you solar power a house fully in the tropics yet for a reasonable price ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    reasonable price
    in ozzie yes, with the govt hand out 50% rebate if you are further than a klm from the grid, though i have been wondering how stand alone systems would go in los [expense]
    and its all relative to just how much power do you require as to how much you spend, same as anything i suppose

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    Well use the example I supplied in the link above...1.4mil to power his house.

    All the usual modern appliances including aircon...do not try to skimp on anything as people want their modern appliances, so solar needs to be able to power them all.

    My electirc bill here as a 3 bedroom home, 2 adults, 2 kids and one nanny. An office, 1 puter and 2 aircons on all night.......is around 3000 per month. So do the math as to how long it will take to pay back that 1.4 mil.

    My question... is there a system anywhere in the worlld that can solar supply a house like this fully, relatively cheaply and pay back the investment in a matter of years, not decades. If there is, I will certainly build it into future houses.

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    your right nawty, would take a very long time before it is viable economically, if how ever and i am refering to here in ozzie, you manage to pass the means test and the expense of connecting to the grid is as expensive as stand alone then it is certainly viable to go solar, as many are doing, i was quite suprised to learn just how many people are in this area, both grid connect and stand alone systems with the occasional wind generators in the hills, as i am building presently i though a little future proofing would,nt hurt especially if the govt is going to give me the best part of 9 grand to do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    So can you solar power a house fully in the tropics yet for a reasonable price ?
    I think that the Thai government taxes the hell out of solar panels here and limits the supply in an effort to prove just how environmentally ignorant the Thai leaders really are.

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    ^lol...awesome strategy.

    Yes Ned, I would also if I lived in Oz and would get half of it paid for by the guv. Good work.

    Looks like we will be sticking to good old fashioned electric power here for awhile yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nawty
    Looks like we will be sticking to good old fashioned electric power here for awhile yet.
    No need.

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