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    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules


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    Foreigners who fall in love with Australians could have to complete 500 hours of English classes before they are allowed to stay here permanently.


    Key points:
    • The Federal Government is introducing an English language requirement for partner visa applicants
    • Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge says it will not be introduced until the middle of next year
    • Australians with partners overseas are worried about the changes


    Acting Immigration Minister Alan Tudge revealed new details of the English language requirements, announced in Tuesday's Federal Budget, for people applying for partner visas.


    The Government is also temporarily boosting the number of partner visas available this financial year under the existing migration cap of 160,000 places.


    Mr Tudge said there was almost one million people living in Australia with poor or no English and that language skills were necessary to finding work and staying safe.

    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a '''functional level''' under new rules - ABC News


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    Interesting to see that Australia has a much larger population of either #5 Philippine and #6 Viet Nam than #22 Thailand

    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules-screenshot_2020-10-10-largest-australian-immigrant




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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules
    Same here in NZ.

    Top three countries of origin; China, India, Philippines

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    I have former schoolmates & colleagues who are now in Aus, NZ & Canada. They went through the skilled migrant route - most have graduate degrees & families (w/ small kids) when they migrated. For those w/ kids, primary reason for migration was free education for the kids (K-12), healthcare & general quality of life.

    Many of the Vietnamese immigrants in Aus came as boat people in the 80s. As I'm half-Vietnamese, I also have relatives in Aus. My uncle / elder cousins went there as boat people. Their kids (around my age) are now engineers & doctors. (Product of tiger/ dragon parents. ) I have near cousins in Perth & distant cousins in Melbourne.

    My aunt & her son visited us a few years ago. My aunt still has a very thick Viet accent when speaking English. My cousin, since he grew up in Aus, speaks with an Aussie twang. I asked him if he felt/ identified more Viet or Aussie. His reply was that he's a banana - yellow on the outside, white inside (first time for me to hear of that term/ connotation).

    My uncle was a recipient of the wonderful Aus healthcare system - I think he's had 2 bypass surgeries already. My aunt was a nurse in Vietnam, but since her qualifications weren't recognized & her English wasn't good, she worked in a factory. She said the first few years were very hard for them. But now, all is well & they're enjoying retirement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    nteresting to see that Australia has a much larger population of either #5 Philippine and #6 Viet Nam than #22 Thailand
    Hmm, it looks to me that the basis is not the same in those graphs.

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    So they should do,

    If the plebs want to come live in the lucky country then learn the lingo and get with the program.

    If not then stay in ya own shit hole, friggin soap dodging Poms invaded the joint and killed all the nasty spear throwing Blacks.

    We don't need any more murderers eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    I have former schoolmates & colleagues who are now in Aus, NZ & Canada. They went through the skilled migrant route - most have graduate degrees & families (w/ small kids) when they migrated. For those w/ kids, primary reason for migration was free education for the kids (K-12), healthcare & general quality of life.

    Many of the Vietnamese immigrants in Aus came as boat people in the 80s. As I'm half-Vietnamese, I also have relatives in Aus. My uncle / elder cousins went there as boat people. Their kids (around my age) are now engineers & doctors. (Product of tiger/ dragon parents. ) I have near cousins in Perth & distant cousins in Melbourne.

    My aunt & her son visited us a few years ago. My aunt still has a very thick Viet accent when speaking English. My cousin, since he grew up in Aus, speaks with an Aussie twang. I asked him if he felt/ identified more Viet or Aussie. His reply was that he's a banana - yellow on the outside, white inside (first time for me to hear of that term/ connotation).

    My uncle was a recipient of the wonderful Aus healthcare system - I think he's had 2 bypass surgeries already. My aunt was a nurse in Vietnam, but since her qualifications weren't recognized & her English wasn't good, she worked in a factory. She said the first few years were very hard for them. But now, all is well & they're enjoying retirement.
    The viets are in there 3rd or 4th generation since arriving after the War came to a draw? in the 70,s they have assimilated very well..hard working folk. The Filipino.diaspora as far as i can see came as spouses in the 70, 80, 90, then the booming economy in oz led to the creation of the.457 visa allowing skilled immigrants to enter on fixed term visa but the party kept on going then the flips (.no disrespect).stayed. and also imported a few family members. Nothing wrong with that i reckon. Likewise the filipino.is industrious and hard working. Fair play i reckon. Plenty of aussies that are unemployable through feeling white priveledge. Fuck those coonts .

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    @bld - we're cool. It's different if some random guy/ foreigner says "flip", versus if a husband refers to his wife as such.

    Re: the Viets, the Vietnam war (or American war in their viewpoint) ended in 1975, so the boat ppl started migrating in the late 70s. Yes, my cousin's son is now a 3rd generation immigrant.

    Re: learning English to an acceptable level, I think that's just fair. Other countries do it too (some European countries, as well as TH & Japan). I think that's a fair deal if one wants to become a PR/ citizen of a country - learn the language of the country you're integrating into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    It's different if some random guy/ foreigner says "flip", versus if a husband refers to his wife as such.
    Skidmark referred to his wife as 'flipper' - simply disrespectful and says a lot about him.

    And yes, it is different who says it and when, in what context



    English language entrance/acceptance are quite difficult both here and in Oz. Funny thing happened last year, an Irish (I believe) lady took the English test and failed . . . it's done virtually and the system didn't understand her accent and failed her. I believe they changed it since

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post
    Other countries do it too (some European countries, as well as TH & Japan).
    You don't really need to speak Thai to get citizenship in Thialand.

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    ^cool. I thought you needed some knowledge of Thai language. In the Thai citizenship thread (forgot who made it), the applicant spoke Thai with the officer, and had to fill out the forms in Thai as well (if I remember correctly).

    In Japan, some years ago PI nurses & caregivers were allowed to work there, via agencies. They had to pass the language test first. Same with obtaining PR, I think.

    I know of a married couple in Austria who had to learn German for their citizenship application.

    My take on it - their country, their rules.

    @panama hat - reminds me of a vid I watched on YT. I think it was an Irish or Scottish woman talking to Siri or Alexa - the app couldn't understand her accent and she was cursing the app!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules
    i wonder if they'll be required to understand the difference between 'than' and 'then'.

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    I know of a married couple in Austria who had to learn German for their citizenship application.
    Not such a big ask.


    I reckon they should make them scull a pint of Coopers ale, and if they're still up for a shout they're in.
    Kebab cooks, fruit pickers & Coopers stout drinkers should be offered special skilled visas, because we need more of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Interesting to see that Australia
    in the 1851 to 2019 graph, how the top countries move around the positions. Some countries appear from nowhere, as if they were specifically targeted. Others at the top for decades disappear and then rejoin after a lengthy absence.

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    ^ Obviously policy changes, like every other country that accepts migrants

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Skidmark referred to his wife as 'flipper' - simply disrespectful and says a lot about him.

    And yes, it is different who says it and when, in what context
    Flip/Flipper is a funny one.

    Not seriously derogatory I would say but very casual. I would not use the term when addressing a Filipina/o directly.

    But when used in the 3rd person then not really a serious derogation.

    But when referring to one's better half (not to her face obviously) then a line ball... I think...

    Probably in the same league as 'chinky' in general terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Migrants to Australia required to learn English to a "functional level" - new rules
    Getting engrish accepted as the global lingua franca is part of the strategic cultural push to ensure that western democracy prevails over chinky authoritarianism.

    Australia printing all its pamphlets in 15 languages to be super nicey nice to all the smelly shithole migrants seems like an outdated politically presumptuous left wing anachronism.

    Long over due in these more politically ambiguous times that a more practical and politically expeditious tactical position was adopted regarding impressing upon our washed up immigrants and the rest of the world that English is the world language and they need to start learning it.

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    I'd recommend they get functional level english and enable them as far as possible.
    But making it mandatory, why? Who cares? Most do it anyway. Probably the only ones that wouldn't are the elderly or thickies - leave'em be.

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