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    My hometown! Still live in Kalgoorlie Probably will die here as well.

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    One wonders what happened to the Aboriginal peoples of Western Australia in the area, pushed away by HM armed forces or did they squandered their annual rent from the arriving europeans.

    Any statues in Kalagoorie city centre praising them?

    A more accurate illustration of the europeans "finding" the wealth Australia had to exploit?



    The film illustrates the official attitudes less than 50 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders what happened to the Aboriginal peoples of Western Australia in the area, pushed away by HM armed forces or did they squandered their annual rent from the arriving europeans.

    Any statues in Kalagoorie city centre praising them?

    A more accurate illustration of the europeans "finding" the wealth Australia had to exploit?

    The film illustrates the official attitudes less than 50 years ago.

    OhOh
    I assume from your questions re Aborigines of Western Australia (WA) you are not an Australian yourself.
    The video you posted (which I enjoyed) is related to the road to the West of Sydney over the Blue mountains and has nothing at all to do with western Australia.
    If you head west from Sydney its probably less then 150kms to where they were talking about finding the open plains beyond the mountains.
    To get to WA you would have to travel something like 4000kms to get to Perth from Sydney.

    My understanding of the fate of the Western Australian aborigines is that they were pushed off their lands by force as the Europeans "settled and farmed".
    There are a few recorded 'battles" between the Europeans and Aborigines but with guns versus spears there was only going to be one result.

    When I was young I remember travelling to country towns and nearly every one had a designated "reserve" for the Aborigines to live there.

    As for aborigines in Kalgoorlie I am not sure if there ever were any that lived in the area on a permanent basis as there is no water there except when it rains.
    So Aborigines from south of there around Esperance, which is about 200kms south of Kalgoorlie would have travelled up there after good rains when the waterholes would have been filled by the rain. Western Australia is very dry once you move inland from the coast.

    When gold was discovered in Coolgardie (35kms west of Kalgoorlie) the only way people could get there from Perth was to walk from water hole to waterhole. They build rock walls around big rocky outcrops to channel the rain runoff into the holes. You can still see them today. Anyway one of the greatest engineering feats (IMHO) was the construction of a pipe line from Mundaring (40kms west of Perth) all the way to Kalgoorlie 600kms away to the east. This opened up all the farming land along the way out to Merredin. After that it is almost desert all the way to Kalgoorlie.

    Although there were people moving out from Perth I believe it was the gold rush to Coolgardie and then Kalgoorlie that really opened up the west.

    As a matter of interest WA was not even settled when they crossed the Blue mountains. The first settlement in WA was at Albany in 1827 (I believe) and Perth was settled in 1829.
    Sorry for waffling on maybe I am getting home sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders what happened to the Aboriginal peoples of Western Australia in the area, pushed away by HM armed forces or did they squandered their annual rent from the arriving europeans.

    Any statues in Kalagoorie city centre praising them?

    A more accurate illustration of the europeans "finding" the wealth Australia had to exploit?



    The film illustrates the official attitudes less than 50 years ago.
    What 'official attitude' does that film illustrate? Just a straight historical document you moron. No 'official attitude' illustrated.
    I think you'd be betteroff commenting on the Chinese 'official attitude' towards the Xinjiang Uighurs.

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    I wasn't sure which would be shorter, the Australian history thread or the intelligent Americans thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    Sorry for waffling on maybe I am getting home sick.
    Not to me, your information is useful and puts some perspective into Australian history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    No 'official attitude' illustrated.
    Their is one clip from the, "National Film and Sound Archive" produced film, where the white guys were putting up camp. "A noise was heard in the bush by the dogs who ran of to investigate". The white guys gathered there guns but the dogs returned .

    The commentary 9:13 to 19:40 : "It was later it was concluded that the "natives" had been going to attack but had been foiled by the dogs".

    Which suggests the relationship between the "natives" and the "explorers" were not so amiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Australians, and the indigenous peoples of that wondrous land have been aired on here before.
    I was not, do you remember the thread title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders what happened to the Aboriginal peoples of Western Australia in the area,
    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    The video you posted (which I enjoyed) is related to the road to the West of Sydney over the Blue mountains and has nothing at all to do with western Australia.
    You utter moron . . . and you say that your opinion is uncomfortable for others. No, it is your wilfull deception and outright lies just to make a 'point'

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Their is one clip from the, "National Film and Sound Archive" produced film, where the white guys were putting up camp. "A noise was heard in the bush by the dogs who ran of to investigate". The white guys gathered there guns but the dogs returned .

    The commentary 9:13 to 19:40 : "It was later it was concluded that the "natives" had been going to attack but had been foiled by the dogs".

    Which suggests the relationship between the "natives" and the "explorers" were not so amiable.
    What's that got to do with 'official' attitudes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    No, it is your wilfull deception.
    The videos title is regarding the Australian "west". The Gold Fields are in the western part of Australia. You may suggest the prevailing attitudes of the white settlers, from the east, were exceptional.

    Note, "wilfull" is misspelt, it should be "wilful". As others have illustrated there is, a squiggly red line indicating such errors, for those that proof read their post. Do you have your spell checker turned on?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Australians, and the indigenous peoples of that wondrous land have been aired on here before.

    I was not, do you remember the thread title?
    I did ask for the for the location. As the topics may have already been posted? I don't suppose you are able to let me have the link?
    Just to read the TD committees report.



    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    outright lies just to make a 'point'
    Oh dear, currently various countries are examining there historic past. Shall we keep Australia's secret?

    You may wish to review this Australian Senate Investigation Report, prior to accusing me of lying.

    It is documented in the report, 160 pages, that abuse of their human rights/slavery, towards/of the Indigenous Australians was rampant into the 1950's - 1960's:

    Unfinished business: Indigenous stolen wages

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    © Commonwealth of Australia 2006

    Unfinished business: Indigenous stolen wages

    – Parliament of Australia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    What 'official attitude' does that film illustrate? Just a straight historical document you moron. No 'official attitude' illustrated
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The film illustrates the official attitudes
    Possibly the Australian National Film and Sound Archive is not a government sponsored repository of life in Australia?

    I presume because it's labelled, even by yourself, as "a straight historical document"! Presumably utilising the acceptable language, of the time, by the films creator i.e. the script wasn't "revised".

    If so, it's different to the UK equivalent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I think you'd be betteroff commenting on the Chinese 'official attitude' towards the Xinjiang Uighurs.
    As you suggest, I may well be.

    But then the thread may not reflect the "true" Australian History. As illustrated by the "Official Slavery Report" above.
    Last edited by OhOh; 17-06-2020 at 02:38 PM.

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    When i was a young lad in the mid 1950's there were nomadic aborigines that would walk around Kalgoorlie asking for a billy of tea and bread they never caused any trouble. I don't recall seeing any aborigines in Esperance when we used to go there for our summer holidays, Sadly that's all changed now. Kalgoorlie and Esperance are full of mixed blood abo's whose sole purpose in life is to make other people's lives hell.
    I won't say anymore in fear of being labeled a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    Possibly the Australian National Film and Sound Archive is not a government sponsored repository of life in Australia?

    I presume because it's labelled, even by yourself, as "a straight historical document"! Presumably utilising the acceptable language, of the time, by the films creator i.e. the script wasn't "revised".

    If so, it's different to the UK equivalent.
    Christ almighty what is the matter with you?
    It's an archive maintained by the government. Not every piece of film is going to be the 'official' attitude. Just snippets of daily life at the time in many cases. Not necessarily reflecting government official policy.

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    This thread would benefit from some input from Terry. Can someone alert him, he's probably in a fit of apoplexy over this BLM business.

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    Was There Slavery in Australia? Yes. It Shouldn’t Even Be Up for Debate

    Thalia Anthony and Stephen Gray show how the prime minister’s assertion is at odds with the historical record.
    Thalia ANTHONY, Stephen GRAY

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    In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter.

    "Prime Minister Scott Morrison asserted in a radio interview that “there was no slavery in Australia.”

    This is a common misunderstanding which often obscures our nation’s history of exploitation of First Nations people and Pacific Islanders.

    Morrison followed up with “I’ve always said we’ve got to be honest about our history”. Unfortunately, his statement is at odds with the historical record.


    This history was widely and publicly documented, among other sources, in the 2006 Australian Senate report Unfinished Business: Indigenous Stolen Wages.


    What is Slavery?


    Australia was not a “slave state” like the American South. However, slavery is a broader concept. As Article 1 of the United Nations Slavery Convention says:

    Slavery is the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised.

    These powers might include non-payment of wages, physical or sexual abuse, controls over freedom of movement, or selling a person like a piece of property. In the words of slavery historian Orlando Patterson, slavery is a form of “social death”.


    Slavery has been illegal in the (former) British Empire since the Act for the Abolition of the Slave Trade of 1807, and certainly since 1833.


    Slavery practices emerged in Australia in the 19th century and in some places endured until the 1950s.

    Early Coverage of Slavery in Australia

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    “Governor Davey’s Proclamation” board, painted in 1830 and nailed to trees to depict a policy of friendliness and to show that colonists and Aboriginal people were equal before the law. (Government of Van Diemen’s Land, original conception by Surveyor General George Frankland, State Library of New South Wales, Wikimedia Commons)

    As early as the 1860s, anti-slavery campaigners began to invoke “charges of chattel bondage and slavery” to describe north Australian conditions for Aboriginal labour.


    In 1891 a “Slave Map of Modern Australia” was printed in the British Anti-Slavery Reporter, a journal that documented slavery around the world and campaigned against it.


    Reprinted from English journalist Arthur Vogan’s account of frontier relations in Queensland, it showed large areas where:


    … the traffic in Aboriginal labour, both children and adults, had descended into slavery conditions.


    Seeds of Slavery in Australia

    Some 62,000 Melanesian people were brought to Australia and enslaved to work in Queensland’s sugar plantations between 1863 and 1904. First Nations Australians had a more enduring experience of slavery, originally in the pearling industry in Western Australia and the Torres Strait and then in the cattle industry.


    In the pastoral industry, employers exercised a high degree of control over “their” Aboriginal workers, who were bought and sold as chattels, particularly where they “went with” the property upon sale.

    There were restrictions on their freedom of choice and movement. There was cruel treatment and abuse, control of sexuality, and forced labour.


    A stock worker at Meda Station in the Kimberley, Jimmy Bird, recalled:


    … whitefellas would pull their gun out and kill any Aborigines who stood up to them. And there was none of this taking your time to pull up your boots either. No fear!


    Aboriginal woman Ruby de Satge, who worked on a Queensland station, described the Queensland Protection Act as meaning:

    if you are sitting down minding your own business, a station manager can come up to you and say, “I want a couple of blackfellows” … Just like picking up a cat or a dog.



    Through their roles under the legislation, police, Aboriginal protectors and pastoral managers were complicit in this force.

    Slavery was Sanctioned by Australian Law

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    Aboriginal slavery. (Nancy White, Flickr)

    Legislation facilitated the enslavement of Aboriginal people across the Northern Territory, Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland. Under the South Australian Aborigines Act 1911, the government empowered police to “inspect workers and their conditions” but not to uphold basic working conditions or enforce payment. The Aboriginals Ordinance 1918 (Cth) allowed the forced recruitment of

    Indigenous workers in the Northern Territory, and legalised the non-payment of wages.

    In Queensland, the licence system was effectively a blank cheque to recruit Aboriginal people into employment without their consent. Amendments to the Aboriginal Protection and Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897 gave powers to the Protector or police officer to “expend” their wages or invest them in a trust fund – which was never paid out.

    Officials were well aware that “slavery” was a public relations problem. The Chief Protector in the Northern Territory noted in 1927 that pastoral workers:


    … are kept in a servitude that is nothing short of slavery.


    In the early 1930s, Chief Protector Dr. Cecil Cook pointed out Australia was in breach of its obligations under the League of Nations Slavery Convention.

    ‘… it certainly exists here in its worst form’


    Accusations of slavery continued into the 1930s, including through the British Commonwealth League.

    In 1932 the North Australian Workers’ Union (NAWU) characterised Aboriginal workers as “slaves.”

    Unionist Owen Rowe argued:


    If there is no slavery in the British Empire then the NT is not part of the British Empire; for it certainly exists here in its worst form.


    In the 1940s, anthropologists Ronald and Catherine Berndt surveyed conditions on cattle stations owned by Lord Vestey, commenting that Aboriginal people:

    … owned neither the huts in which they lived nor the land on which these were built, they had no rights of tenure, and in
    some cases have been sold or transferred with the property.

    In 1958, counsel for the well-known Aboriginal artist Albert Namatjira argued that the Welfare Ordinance 1953 (Cth) was unconstitutional, because the enacting legislation was:


    … a law for the enslavement of part of the population of the Northern Territory.

    Profits from Slaves

    Australia has unfinished business in repaying wages to Aboriginal and South Sea Islander slaves. First Nations slave work allowed big businesses to reap substantial profits, and helped maintain the Australian economy through the Great Depression. Aboriginal people are proud of their work on stations even though the historical narrative is enshrined in silence and denial.


    As Bundjalung woman Valerie Linow has said of her experiences of slavery in the 1950s:

    What if your wages got stolen? Honestly, wouldn’t you like to have your wages back? Honestly. I think it should be owed to the ones who were slave labour. We got up and worked from dawn to dusk … We lost everything – family, everything. You cannot go stealing our lousy little sixpence. We have got to have money back. You have got to give something back after all this country did to the Aboriginal people. You cannot keep stealing off us."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Just snippets of daily life at the time in many cases
    Commonly utilised in the white community regarding "others". Which by definition is "History" as scripted in the film.

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    Pay back the wages of slavery? There are no wages of slavery, so repaid in full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Commonly utilised in the white community regarding "others". Which by definition is "History" as scripted in the film.
    Oh ffs, seriously, you channeling jeff now? It's just what was filmed at the time and of interest now. Would you like to burn all that film and pretend it didn't happen?
    You'd have been right there cheering Mao along in the cultural revolution wouldn't you.
    Go back to chinadaily you tedious twat.
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    Anyone who was working as a slave and still alive today should be compensated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Anyone who was working as a slave and still alive today should be compensated.
    That will be more than 800,000 Amazon employees looking for compo

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