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    Classic Arthouse Cinema

    Jules et Jim 1962

    Watching Woody Allen's string of auteur references in Rifkins Festival prompted me to dig out this early French New Wave work from François Truffaut

    Good fun watching the early exploration of signature French femme fatale capriciousness and what must have been quite controversial subversion of relationship norms for the big screen in 1962.



    The film is now older itself than its setting, around the 1st world war, was at the time of its release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    capriciousness
    Is that actually a word?

    I think it might be 'caprice'.

    I'm not sure.

    But it sounds loads better.

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    ^I actually pondered that very syntactical and linguistic conundrum as I typed the OP.

    I thought Caprice may be technically the correct word but I also felt that Capriciousness conveyed the intended meaning more immediately

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    Do you actually watch the stuff you post up though?

    I watched J+J again about 30 years ago at Alliance Francaise on Soi Ngaaam Duplee.

    Christ it was slow.

    I'm now married to the woman I watched it with though.


    So there's that.

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    I took you for a man in his 40ies.

    Math ?.....Hmm Hmm

    I was wrong.

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    It means nothing to me!

    THIS MEANS NOTHING TO ME!

    Oh! Vienna!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Do you actually watch the stuff you post up though?
    I enjoyed Jules et Jim

    I found the capricious female and her slavishly besotted males genuinely engaging and generally un peu pathetique et tres sympathique

    I then went on to watch the next arthouse movie referenced in Rifkins Festival, Breathless by Jean-Luc Godard



    I enjoyed watching this one from a personal artistic edification perspective (although I don't think the famous Godard jump-cut was such a piece of directorial genius as was suggested by adoring arthouse-genre fans)

    But just as a movie I did not enjoy it as much as the Truffaut. Shaky camera, erratic direction and story. It showcases stylised French caprice again but in a less sympathetic way. The main bloke seemed to be a bit of a self-centred coont and a tad wankerish and ***SPOILER*** I felt glad watching him die writhing in agony in the road in the closing scene.

    I did however like his merkin GF.

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    The Seventh Seal - Ingmar Bergman - 1957

    This is the reference with the guy playing chess with death on the beach in Rifkins Festival

    A medieval knight (Max Von Sydow)returns home to Sweden from the crusades during the plague



    Bits of it reminded me of The Holy Grail

    Probably one of the earliest movies to portray human pondering of existential angst. You can see where Allen gets his angsty undercurrent in his comedy from.

    I was a bit puzzled by Death's pawn structure at 58.00 and what is his knight doing on C8?

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    Knocked off Citizen Cane 1941 tonight

    Not really art-house but classic; and that rounds out the Rifkin references

    The Wiki page says that Fellini is also referenced but my cultural learnings are obviously stunted since I missed those. I have watched all Fellini's stuff before too, which makes my misses even worse.



    I like the opening half hour of CK. It feels like it is building towards an epic. But I am always left feeling slightly deflated by the rest of it.

    The main protagonist is not a very sympathetic character so I don't really feel motivated to care about whether he succeeds or fails in his megalomaniacal quests once the scene is set.

    A sledge seems like a singularly weird thing to be emotionally hung up on too.

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    Apartment Zero. An Argentine/ UK collaboration, starring a young Colin Firth 'before he became famous'. Damn good film noir- I never understood why it didn't become better known.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Apartment Zero. An Argentine/ UK collaboration
    Sounded interesting so I googled it up.

    Apartment Zero - Wikipedia

    ...is a 1989 British-Argentine political thriller film...
    ...still sounding interesting - there cannot be very many Anglo/Argentine political cinematic collaborations from the 80s!...

    ...famously suffused with homoerotic overtones...
    ...mmmm



    I might still give it a crack just to show my dedication to the world of art-house cinema

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    Have you seen this one, Looper ?

    Delicatessen (1991 film) - Wikipedia






    Art

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    ^^ It's Arthouse Loopy, it's OK to be a bit gay. Explore your femininity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Jules et Jim 1962

    Watching Woody Allen's string of auteur references in Rifkins Festival prompted me to dig out this early French New Wave work from François Truffaut

    Good fun watching the early exploration of signature French femme fatale capriciousness and what must have been quite controversial subversion of relationship norms for the big screen in 1962.



    The film is now older itself than its setting, around the 1st world war, was at the time of its release.
    Is it in this movie where 2 boys sniff a girls bicycle seat ? !

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    Farthouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Have you seen this one, Looper ?
    I saw it a couple of times at the cinema when it came out. Good fun if I remember correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by KWAN View Post
    Is it in this movie where 2 boys sniff a girls bicycle seat ? !
    It is indeed the 2 boys and a girl on 3 bikes reference in Rifkin's Festival

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^^ It's Arthouse Loopy, it's OK to be a bit gay. Explore your femininity.
    Might explore my boundaries and give a whirl with a cup of tea and a nice slice of cake on Sunday afternoon

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