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    Criminal convictions and a Thai retirees visa.

    I have a application for a Thai retirees visa and it says: "Having no criminal record against the security of Thailand and the country of his/her nationality".
    I'm not sure if this means means that you have no record of trying to blow up the Houses of Parliament or poison the water supply, or does "security" just mean that you've been a threat to law and order?
    I have heard so many conflicting reports of checks for criminal convictions if applying within Thailand. Some people say that they never had to supply any info re criminal convictions and others say they did.
    Any experiences/info along these lines?

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    I got a Freedom of Information Act letter as there was a scare about teachers needing them. It was easy to get; apply to local constabulary and allow three to six weeks. But I was never asked for it at all although I did leave work about six months ago. If you are in the UK I'd get one but I don't think they are very important...generally. Good luck pilgrim.
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    If you are applying for a retirement visa then you will be asked for a police report

    If you are applying for a retirement extension then you do not need to produce one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    If you are applying for a retirement visa then you will be asked for a police report

    If you are applying for a retirement extension then you do not need to produce one
    Is this within Thailand or outside? My friend who has been in Thailand on a retirees visa for 5 years was never asked for a police check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    If you are applying for a retirement visa then you will be asked for a police report

    If you are applying for a retirement extension then you do not need to produce one
    Is this within Thailand or outside? My friend who has been in Thailand on a retirees visa for 5 years was never asked for a police check.
    Thai ones are easy to obtain there is a special office in a central Bangkok Police station (do a search on the site) but I believe they want one from your home country if you don't have time to go back you could have friends or family post and repost your application for a FIA record check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Is this within Thailand or outside?
    You need to do a bit more research, start here
    https://teakdoor.com/thai-visas-and-v...explained.html


    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    My friend who has been in Thailand on a retirees visa for 5 years was never asked for a police check.
    That's because he is asking for an extension of stay each year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Is this within Thailand or outside?
    You need to do a bit more research, start here
    https://teakdoor.com/thai-visas-and-v...explained.html


    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    My friend who has been in Thailand on a retirees visa for 5 years was never asked for a police check.
    That's because he is asking for an extension of stay each year
    I'm confused, I read your attachment and it appears to me that all retirees visas requires a permission of stay plus the 90 day visit to immigration. Are you saying that there is an exception to this where the "permission to stay" is not required?

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    i'm interested to see this tested.

    what convictions might be an obstacle to a visa.

    ummmmm, just sort of a bit curious.....

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    A visa is just a ticket that gets you into Thailand.
    When you are here then your "Permission to Stay" is the vital stamp.
    My visa expired 11 years ago but my "Permission to Stay" is up to date.

    For retirement you must apply for an extension of stay every year and report every 90 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon View Post
    i'm interested to see this tested.

    what convictions might be an obstacle to a visa.

    ummmmm, just sort of a bit curious.....

    Well, I know for a fact that a guy that I was introduced to a couple of months ago and who is on a retirement visa, has done several lengthy jail terms in the UK for GBH and the like and it didn't seem to prevent him getting a retirement visa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    A visa is just a ticket that gets you into Thailand.
    When you are here then your "Permission to Stay" is the vital stamp.
    My visa expired 11 years ago but my "Permission to Stay" is up to date.

    For retirement you must apply for an extension of stay every year and report every 90 days
    I understand, and my original statement still stands. My friend, who when ORIGINALLY applying for his retirees visa was NOT asked to submit a police check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    I understand, and my original statement still stands. My friend, who when ORIGINALLY applying for his retirees visa was NOT asked to submit a police check.
    Where did he apply for it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    I understand, and my original statement still stands. My friend, who when ORIGINALLY applying for his retirees visa was NOT asked to submit a police check.
    Where did he apply for it ?
    At the Jomtien Immigration centre, just outside Pattaya.

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    Maybe I can shorten this conversation if I have guessed your position correctly.

    Apply for a non-imm visa in your home country
    Come to Thailand
    Apply for a one year extension of stay based on retirement

    You will not need to provide a police report

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    At the Jomtien Immigration centre, just outside Pattaya.
    That was not a visa it was an extension

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Maybe I can shorten this conversation if I have guessed your position correctly.

    Apply for a non-imm visa in your home country
    Come to Thailand
    Apply for a one year extension of stay based on retirement

    You will not need to provide a police report
    OK, gotcha, and I assume that at the end of every year I apply for the extension.

    How does going down this road differ from applying for a retirees visa, say in one's home country? In my case Australia. I know that the police, medical checks etc. are definitely required, but what advantage does it give one over the method you described?

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    When you arrive with a Retirement Visa you get stamped in for 365 days.
    I think that is the only advantage.

    All this confusion comes about because the majority of people will say 'visa' when they mean 'extension'

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    say in one's home country?
    ok I understood it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    When you arrive with a Retirement Visa you get stamped in for 365 days.
    I think that is the only advantage.

    All this confusion comes about because the majority of people will say 'visa' when they mean 'extension'
    Yes, but you still have to front up every three months, produce banks statements at the end of each year proving that you've got the 800,000 baht, so really I can't see much of an advantage, especially when you might have (a slim chance) of being knocked back if you apply for the retirees visa in Australia on the grounds of a criminal conviction (and a minor one at that) from 40 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Australia on the grounds of a criminal conviction (and a minor one at that) from 40 years ago
    In the UK for minor convictions after a certain time period, 5 or 10 years you just request them deleted from your record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Australia on the grounds of a criminal conviction (and a minor one at that) from 40 years ago
    In the UK for minor convictions after a certain time period, 5 or 10 years you just request them deleted from your record.
    Unfortunately, that's not the case in Australia. They are there until your dying day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Yes, but you still have to front up every three months, produce banks statements at the end of each year proving that you've got the 800,000 baht, so really I can't see much of an advantage, especially when you might have (a slim chance) of being knocked back if you apply for the retirees visa in Australia on the grounds of a criminal conviction (and a minor one at that) from 40 years ago.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    what convictions might be an obstacle to a visa. ummmmm, just sort of a bit curious.....
    Well, if one had been convicted of ripping relevant pages and/or photos out of a Scotsman's passport, that might prove an obstacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    In the UK for minor convictions after a certain time period, 5 or 10 years you just request them deleted from your record.
    I hope that won't be true in the case of Paul Gadd, he only had minor convictions

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dennis3506
    Australia on the grounds of a criminal conviction (and a minor one at that) from 40 years ago
    In the UK for minor convictions after a certain time period, 5 or 10 years you just request them deleted from your record.
    Minor convictions become spent after a certain period. This is in the Uk though.

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