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I am curious to know what are those so-called British manufacturing industries ?

can't be cars, electronics, mining, or shipyard

Manufacturing in the United Kingdom


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[hide] 1 Engineering and allied industries
2 Other important sectors
3 See also
4 References
5 External links



In June 2010 British Manufacturing accounted for 8.2% of the workforce and 12% of the national output in June 2010. This was a continuation of the steady decline in the importance of Manufacturing to the Economy of the UK since the 1960s, although the sector was still important for overseas trade, accounting for 83% of exports in 2003. The East Midlands and West Midlands (at 12.6 and 11.8% respectively) were the regions with the highest proportion of employees in manufacturing. London had the lowest at 2.8%.

Although the manufacturing sector's share of both employment and the UK's GDP has steadily fallen since the 1960s, data from the OECD shows that manufacturing output in terms of both production and value has steadily increased since 1945. A 2009 report from PricewaterhouseCoopers, citing data from the UK Office for National Statistics, stated that manufacturing output (gross value added at 2007 prices) has increased in 35 of the 50 years between 1958 and 2007, and output in 2007 was at record levels, approximately double that in 1958.[1]

This is a trend common in many mature Western economies. Heavy industry, employing many thousands of people and producing large volumes of low-value goods (such as steelmaking) has either become highly efficient (producing the same amount of output from fewer manufacturing sites employing fewer people- for example, productivity in the UK's steel industry increased by a factor of 8 between 1978 and 2006 [2]) or has been replaced by smaller industrial units producing high-value goods (such as the aerospace and electronics industries).

Engineering and allied industries

Engineering and allied industries comprise the single largest sector, contributing 30.8% of total Gross Value Added in manufacturing in 2003. Within this sector, transport equipment was the largest contributor, with 8 global car manufacturers being present in the UK. These include British makers now owned by overseas companies such as BMW (MINI, Rolls-Royce), Tata (Jaguar-Land Rover), Volkswagen (Bentley) and General Motors (Vauxhall Motors) and plants making vehicles under foreign ownership and branding such as Honda, Nissan and Toyota with a number of smaller, specialist manufacturers (including Lotus and Morgan) and commercial vehicle manufacturers (including Leyland Trucks, LDV, Alexander Dennis, JCB, the main global manufacturing plant for the Ford Transit, Manganese Bronze and Case-New Holland) also being present. The British motor industry also comprises numerous components for the sector, such as Ford's diesel engine plant in Dagenham, which produces half of Ford's diesel engines globally.


A range of companies like Brush Traction and Hunslet manufacture railway locomotives and other related components. Associated with this sector are the aerospace and defence equipment industries. The UK manufactures a broad range of equipment, with the sector being dominated by BAE Systems, which manufactures civil and defence aerospace, land and marine equipment; VT Group, one of the world's largest builders of warships; and GKN and Rolls Royce, who manufacture aerospace engines and power generation systems. Commercial shipbuilders include Harland and Wolff, Cammell Laird, Abels, Barclay Curle and Appledore. Companies such as Princess, Sealine, Fairline Boats and Sunseeker are major builders of private motor yachts.

Another important component of engineering and allied industries is electronics, audio and optical equipment, with the UK having a broad base of domestic firms, alongside a number of foreign firms manufacturing a wide range of TV, radio and communications products, scientific and optical instruments, electrical machinery and office machinery and computers.

Chemicals and chemical-based products are another important contributor to the UK's manufacturing base. Within this sector, the pharmaceutical industry is particularly successful, with the world's second and third largest pharmaceutical firms (GlaxoSmithKline and AstraZeneca respectively) being based in the UK and having major research and development and manufacturing facilities there.





Other important sectors

Other important sectors of the manufacturing industry include food, drink, tobacco, paper, printing, publishing and textiles. The UK is also home to three of the world's biggest brewing companies: Diageo, SABMiller and Scottish and Newcastle, other major manufacturing companies such as Unilever, Cadbury, Tate & Lyle, British American Tobacco, Imperial Tobacco, EMAP, HarperCollins, Reed Elsevier, Ben Sherman, Burberry, French Connection, Reebok, Pentland Group and Umbro being amongst the largest present.

The Blue Book 2006 reports that this sector added gross value of £147,469 million to the UK economy in 2004.

Manufacturing is an important sector of the modern British economy and there is a considerable amount of published research on the subject of the factors affecting its growth and performance. Of late, such things as increases in taxation and regulation have tended to diminish the favourableness of the political-legal environment for UK industry. Within manufacturing, British firms and industries have often lagged behind their overseas competitors in terms of productivity and various other key performance measures. However, Britain – the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution – continues to be one of the most attractive countries in the world for direct foreign industrial investment.[4]

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am curious to know what are those so-called British manufacturing industries ?

can't be cars

Mmmm. Tell me Butterfly, have you not heard about Ford, Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Vauxhall ( GM )? Never mind all those other specialist manufacturers of which I wouldn't expect the likes of you to even have the faintest idea. Oh, go on then, Lotus engineering for example. Even a half arsed continental such as you will have heard of them.......

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am curious to know what are those so-called British manufacturing industries ?

can't be cars

Mmmm. Tell me Butterfly, have you not heard about Ford, Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Vauxhall ( GM )? Never mind all those other specialist manufacturers of which I wouldn't expect the likes of you to even have the faintest idea. Oh, go on then, Lotus engineering for example. Even a half arsed continental such as you will have heard of them.......

Thailand same..same (Ford, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, GM)

Thailand Great manufacturing industry

(Ford, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, GM)

the factories provide the jobs and the wages that fuel the economy, doesnt really matter who owns the company. thats only national pride, which like inumerable times previously, has been the downfall of the german coprophagists and the french soapdodgers.

the truth remains chass that all wanted to join the EU and they knew what it meant

the UK did the same, but as typically British, you never really say what you want or what were you true objectives for joining. It seems now that you are trying to blame us for the conflict of interests, while you should be blaming yourself for not reading the fine print or joined in the first place for the wrong reasons

at the end of the day, it's UK responsibility and you guys have to deal with it. Cameron has just revealed the real game that England has been playing from the beginning, that everyone suspected but now your cards have been exposed.

get the fuck out of the EU, there is nothing to win there for you

Originally Posted by taxexile

downfall of the german coprophagists

Insulting germans, by claiming we eat english food, is cleary overstepping the border.

Lady Thatcher back in 1999 stated “All of the crises of the 20th century began in Europe, and all of the solutions have come from the English-speaking nations.” and so it will be again. The poor American taxpayer gets it shoved up his/her ass again...

there is nothing to win there for you

there is nothing to win for anybody, its a money pit.

the hard working northern europeans subsidised the lazy southerns with handouts and easy loans. now comes payday and theres no money left to loan, subsidize or even payback.

the only winners are the overpaid drones running the circus, with mega salaries, mega expense accounts, tax breaks, privileges and millionaire pensions.

its a conglomeration of fat european butchers, bakers and candlestick makers coming together and thinking they can take on the world.

fuck them and their delusions of grandeur, they've been screwing their people for long enough.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by taxexile

downfall of the german coprophagists

Insulting germans, by claiming we eat english food, is cleary overstepping the border.

Hey, who taught you krauts to eat shit anyway?

We gave you what you have now, don't forget it Fritz.

If only they had called a referendum on Maastrict..............

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am curious to know what are those so-called British manufacturing industries ?

can't be electronics

.....and I suppose you haven't heard of BAE Systems either have you Butterfly? You know, only the second largest such company in the world. Honestly, you're such a dolt sometimes.

You are Belgian, aren't you?

a walloon might be a more appropriate classification.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

surely you are joking, the British car industry has been the jokes of the world for decades, it's not growing, it's collapsing, slowly but surely

Mmmm. Last year 1.2 million cars were manufactured in the UK. Don't know about you Butterfly, but that doesn't suggest to me an industry in terminal decline, does it? Especially when one takes into account the previous year, annus horribilis for most everyone in the industrial world, when we built a mere 990,000. Looks to me to be an increase but then I'm not a sexually confused Belgian who may be used to measuring a collapse in another way.

Or is that a prolapse? Har, Har.

The House of Commons today when David Cameron was facing questions from MP's on EU issues

1714:
Alex Cunningham, Labour, wants to know what Mr Cameron will be doing on his days off when other EU leaders are working on the future of Europe. The prime minister says he will be trying to sort out "the mess" he inherited from the previous Labour government.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by OhOh

Gold reserves are the only real measure of strength.

Gold has no intrinsic value. A replacement for gold in artificial teeth is avalable.

The only real measure of economic strengt is the economy. Wait another two or three decades and maybe the economists will discover this too.

Palladium (and other things) are more valuable than gold... gold has a "folk value".

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am curious to know what are those so-called British manufacturing industries ?

can't be cars, electronics, mining, or shipyard

It is all of those things... the design of... and high end high value stuff pharmaceuticals, chemicals, materials, systems, creative industries... project management, quality assurance.
The Chinese are welcome to the manufacture of poor quality electronics, socks and tupperware.

Originally Posted by chassamui

I wonder how many countries would look at the EU and the Euro as it stands today and say to themselves, "quick let's join that stunning example of healthy economic and political success".

If you were going to make a sensible design for an integrated system of economies in europe, you would not do it like the EU: which seems to be designed by lawyers rather than engineers.

You'd have smaller clusters of similar economies integrated in terms of transport and communications and currency, and have small conferences with these groups only, and send delegates to fewer smaller macro-conferences to iron out trans-cluster issues.

Europe is primed for that already... I'd split it up now into up to 4 blocs: N, E, S, W, and have 4 currencies.

North: Benelux, France, Scandia, Austro-Germany... have the EuroMark, financial centre in Paris

East: former Warsaw Pact... have the EuroKrona, financial centre in Warsaw

South: Iberia, Italy, Greece... have the EuroLira, financial centre in Madrid

West: UK & Ireland... have the EuroPound, financial centre in London


You'd ditch all the MEPs, and associated bureaucracy, and allow these country clusters to set up their own "EU departments" and integrated bureacracies based on their own national systems and budgets, and accountable to their own electorates.

You'd abandon EU-wide grants, and instead have a system where bids for grants can be made from any part of the EU to any other cluster member's "EU department", and the decision then becomes a bilateral one, and accountable to a national electorate.
That way, if French farmers want a subsidy, they have to go and bother the German electorate for it, and it's nothing to do with the UK.
If the Greeks want a bail out, they have to ask Italy for it (), and the Irish can bother us for for money, but they have to negotiate for it - and as major trading partners, they'll have to be a little more careful with what they get.


What you have now is a bloated bureaucracy and too many member states, and a ridiculous amount of negotiation, that prevents member states from being able to respond to economic conditions with agility, which is terrible for growth.

A bit of competition between clusters, each playing to different strengths, and each subject to tangible disciplinary mechanisms would be so much healthier than this semi-socialist fustercluck we have now.

Originally Posted by taxexile

(Ford, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, GM)

the factories provide the jobs and the wages that fuel the economy, doesnt really matter who owns the company. thats only national pride, which like inumerable times previously, has been the downfall of the german coprophagists and the french soapdodgers.

Yes, national pride... thats not part of this thread whatsoever in any way thinkable.
Or so I believe.
Or so I would wish.

Originally Posted by thegent

Hey, who taught you krauts to eat shit anyway?

We gave you what you have now, don't forget it Fritz.

The red headed, freckeld faced inbreds ?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Palladium (and other things) are more valuable than gold... gold has a "folk value".

Have you ever tried selling Palladium in Timbuktu, Delhi, Doha, Shanghai ...... every city has a jeweller or pawn shop but they dont take Palladium. Palladium is worthless unless you are a manufacturer and then in only small quantities. f you think Gold is a bubble look at the "rise" in Palladium prices.

Gold has a "folk" value because everyday "folk" will trade for it. To take it to a scenario you may recognise; ask your local bar girl what she will trade for it.

...proving Takeovers point about value being relative.

As you say, it's a folk value because people who don't understand what value is, value it.
Why would anyone waste gold on a bar girl? Spray some pebbles with gold spray paint, that should fettle 'er.

You're right, of course, I should have picked Platinum or Rhodium, Palladium's not so hot these days, due to the Soviet stockpile dribbling out.
Value is like AC rather than voltage, and people on the downward slope of Gold bubble end up transferring wealth to those backing an out-of-phase bubble, ready to catch more of that stardust on the way up the next bubble.

Sounds like those places might be good spot to buy some Palladium then.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Palladium's not so hot these days, due to the Soviet stockpile dribbling out.

The trouble with the Russian stockpile is nobody knows how big it is.