Thread: Indefinite detention for Americans

no way i go back.

Originally Posted by Neo

93 million residents are expected to use airplanes to get around this holiday season

That's about how many Americans fly in an entire year- this article was really well researched...

Here's the LA Times article that's referenced above,where they specifically mention that no one was particularly bothered by the TSA train searches (though I agree they seem over-the-top):

TSA screenings aren't just for airports anymore - Los Angeles Times

At the Charlotte train station on Dec. 11, Seiko, the bomb-sniffing dog, snuffled down a line of about 100 passengers waiting to board an eastbound train. Many were heading home after watching the Charlotte Panthers NFL team lose to the Atlanta Falcons after holding a 16-point lead.
No one seemed especially perturbed by the TSA team.
"It's probably overkill," said Karen Stone, 26, after a behavior-detection officer asked her about the Panthers game and her trip home to Raleigh.
"It's cool," said Marcus Baldwin, 21, who was heading home to Mebane, near Burlington, where he waits tables to help pay for computer technology classes. "They're doing what our tax money is paying them to do."
"I'm mostly curious," said Barbara Spencer, 75, who was heading home to Chapel Hill after watching her grandson perform in a Christmas play. She asked the officers whether a terrorist threat had required the extra security. No, they replied.
Vetter, the lawyer, had attended the game with his son, Noah. They jogged for the train after Seiko had finished his sniff, but Vetter had bigger worries on his mind. "The Panthers blew it," he said.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

it makes me very suspicious of the veracity of the rest of the article.

Yeah... whatever...

"We are not the Airport Security Administration," Ray Dineen, the air marshal in charge of the TSA office in Charlotte, tells the Los Angeles Times. "We take that transportation part seriously."

How serious? The TSA’s secret counter-terrorism team that tries to topple crimes in transportation centers have run more than 9,000 unannounced checkpoints and other search operations in 2011, and the Department of Homeland Security are asking for an extra $24 million for 2012 to organize even more teams to put in bus stations and Amtrak terminals next year.

Opponents of the increased security presence don’t see it as a safety precaution, however, and some say that it is only propelling America further into a totalitarian police state.

“This program represents nothing less than a direct assault on the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution,” Jay Stanley of the American Civil Liberties Union wrote on Tuesday. “It’s also an exceedingly dumb security measure. But never underestimate the mindless force of a government bureaucracy seeking to expand its power, domain, and budget.”

It's certainly easier than questioning the veracity of your government...

^ A great deal (the majority) of American politicking depends on misinformation. The corporations, lobbyists, and lastly the politicians are aware that Americans spend only a limited amount of time on issues. So they identify areas where the people are uninformed and they exploit them. This bill plays on fear the same as the pending oil pipeline plays the tired fiddle of job creation. Neither is true but the sheep will continue to sleep in the fields...Fox news said it was right and good for them after all.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Fox news said it was right and good for them after all.

Got one of them like linky-poo's to back up that statement do ya there snubbles?

Again, Neo, you'll believe anything that supports your view- you posted that article as if it were fact without properly vetting it- it actually took some factual info from the LA Times to support some bullshit statistics it either got wrong or made up.

I'm not saying everything is fine in the States, but I sure as hell don't believe everything I read either (whether it supports my position or not)- the media distorts (and outright lies) from both ends of the political spectrum.

a good American is an American in indefinite detention,

Originally Posted by Neo

But never underestimate the mindless force of a government bureaucracy seeking to expand its power, domain, and budget.”

perhaps britain's most famous civil servants can help innocently explain this effect:

Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby

"There has to be some way to measure success in the Civil Service. British Leyland can measure success by the size of their profits, or rather they measure their failure by the size of their losses. We don’t make profits or losses so we have to measure our success by the size of our staff and our budget. By definition, Bernard, a big department is more successful than a small one."

Originally Posted by Butterfly

a good American is an American in indefinite detention,

especially if his name is boonmee

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Again, Neo, you'll believe anything that supports your view- you posted that article as if it were fact without properly vetting it- it actually took some factual info from the LA Times to support some bullshit statistics it either got wrong or made up.

I'm not saying everything is fine in the States, but I sure as hell don't believe everything I read either (whether it supports my position or not)- the media distorts (and outright lies) from both ends of the political spectrum.

A typically conservative reaction, throwing the baby out with the bathwater as it were. I posted the article in it's entirety for the benefit of you all to disseminate. unlike yourself who selectivley quoted the LA Times article to suit your own opinion.

It is unfortunate that the mainstream media in the US does not want to carry this issue of indefinite detention and it is left to foreign media with a bias agenda, such as RT or AJ to inform us of policies that are shaping the future of America, yes their view is bias, but the bare bones of the facts remain and are verifiable.

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 is now in the White House and the inclusion of Section 1031 will turn the US into a theatre of war and the US population into potential combatants.

If you prefer to argue about the window dressing then you are clearly avoiding the issue.

Oh, balls- the only factual information in the article you posted came from the LA Times article (yes, I cherry-picked a section, but I also posted a link to the article in its entirety).

'Bias' is not the same as putting false facts and figures into a story- that's actually called 'lying'.

I don't think pointing out obvious bullshit is a conservative reaction (though I'm starting to think that posting it in the first place is a liberal one).

Window dressing...

USA, the new USSR

and they say Russian communism was dead, it seems that it has made it to the USA after all

Out of curiosity; did they ever change the laws of america to prevent the abuses of the McCarthy witch hunts? because if they didn't, is there really any need to change the laws of america to turn the place in to a paranoid authoritarian dictatorship?

Don't you americans have one of these constitution things, which all laws and action of the US government must comply with. If the us military was given a law to detain us citizens on us soil indefinitely without trial, wouldn't this breach the constitution?

Yup, there it is....

US President Barack Obama has put pen to paper on a $662 billion defense bill despite serious reservations from critics over the proposed handling of terror suspects. The bill also brought into effect a new round of strict sanctions against Iran.

Some provisions of the bill raise serious concerns among human rights advocates, who argue that they could allow indefinite detention and interrogation of any American citizen suspected to be linked to terrorism. They say it would deny US citizens legal rights protected by the Constitution.

After the bill was approved by Congress in December, Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch said: “By signing this defense spending bill, President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law.”

Indeed, President Obama himself has expressed worries about the very legislation he has signed, saying he does not agree with all of it.

“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” he said in Hawaii, where he is spending his vacation. “I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

https://rt.com/news/obama-signs-defense-bill-087/

A president not in control of a country none of you have any rights in.
That's the constitution thrown out and the Imperialists back in charge.
Happy fucking new year America....

Originally Posted by Neo

A president not in control of a country none of you have any rights in.
That's the constitution thrown out and the Imperialists back in charge.
Happy fucking new year America....

And to all the countries which kowtow to it - beware.

America Owned by their own stupidity

Can't blame this one on Dubya, eh?

^
Demrats v Repugs!
Teabaggers vs OWS-ers!
Left v Right
Divide & Rule!


Boxer is a lost cause or worse, of course, but honest readers will find themselves SOOO far ahead of the game by not being manipulated/seduced into the fake Left vs Right Divide & Rule Paradigm. The Preznit, CONgress- all meat shields, distractions, sockpuppets of the Elephant in the Room. Like a school bus with a red side and a blue side, both "sides" are screeching, pulling hair & throwing food-- all theater, a distraction from where the lone driver is navigating the bus.

O'Bummer says Yessa Massa, same as Dimson, Bubba, etc before him:


Happy New Year: Obama Signs NDAA, Indefinite Detention Now Law of the Land


Monday, 02 January 2012 10:17


Indeed it is a new day. Ushering in the New Year, President Obama signed legislation that helps to further destroy the principles the nation was founded upon.

'President Obama, who pledged to veto the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), has now signed it. Of course, his promise was only for public consumption. After all, lying to your enemy is what invading corporate takeover armies do. It was the Obama administration all along that demanded the indefinite detention provisions be added while at the same time telling the American people he was fighting to protect their rights. This is treason on parade, in your face all out despotism– that is, for those paying any attention!'

Read more: Happy New Year: Obama Signs NDAA, Indefinite Detention Now Law of the Land




The End of America as We Know It: Obama Signs NDAA Indefinite Detention Bill

Sunday, 01 January 2012 10:31

'On the eve of 2012, President Obama has, with the stroke of a pen, ended America as we know it.

With the National Defense Authorization Act now signed into law, American citizens can and possibly will be indefinitely detained by the military if they have been “accused” of any terrorist related activity.

In a press release published today, the ACLU further outlined their opposition to this unconstitutional law and highlighted the fact that Obama will now be known as the president who signed indefinite detention of Americans, far from any battlefield, into law.'

Read more: The End of America as We Know It: Obama Signs NDAA Indefinite Detention Bill





Rothschild Zionist agent Leiberman seeks to delete nationality for those 'engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States'
Saturday, 31 December 2011 11:10

Who decides what that means? The State.

Lowlife Leiberman: whenever he opens his mouth the Rothschilds and Israel are talking.

Read more ...

This is the bill ...

Ron Paul Calls National Defense Authorization Act 'Slip Into Tyranny'

Monday, 02 January 2012 10:21

'“A dictator enjoys unrestrained power over the people. The legislative and judicial branches voluntarily cede this power or it’s taken by force. Most of the time, it’s given up easily, out of fear in time of war and civil disturbances, and with support from the people, although the dictator will also accumulate more power with the use of force.” Those prescient words of Republican presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) are taken from his book Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom. The tyrannical assumption of power by the President and the cession of unheralded power to him by the Congress has taken place precisely as Dr. Paul warned.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is an unprecedented, unconstitutional, and unchecked grant of dictatorial power to the President in the name of protecting the security of “the homeland.” Ron Paul described the bill (soon to be signed into law by the President) as a “slip into tyranny,” one that will almost certainly accelerate “our descent into totalitarianism.”'

Read more: Ron Paul Calls National Defense Authorization Act 'Slip Into Tyranny'

In light of the DUBIOUS ATTACKS OF 9/11/01,

And in light of the ONGOING TERRORIST THREAT posed by scary fellows like this chap:



DHS - that Orwellian new federal mega-bureaucracy created "in response to" said DUBIOUS ATTACKS OF 9/11/01, has been smartly allocating their taxpayer pork funds towards those groups they deem most deserving,


Jewish groups get most money from federal security grants

Posted: Monday, January 2, 2012 12:15 am

A week after a man killed a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington in 2009, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano cited the murder as proof that nonprofit institutions were at risk of attack and could be helped by federal security grants.

In an event announcing $1.7 billion in Department of Homeland Security grants, Napolitano noted that 63 percent of nonprofit grant recipients were "affiliated with Jewish organizations."

The following year, according to the Jewish Federations of North America, that number grew. In 2010, 94 percent of the department's nonprofit security funding went to Jewish groups that are, in the words of the Department of Homeland Security, "at high risk of terrorist attack."

more: Jewish groups get most money from federal security grants


DHS partners with Jewish organizations

By Jordy Yager - 06/10/11 03:32 PM ET
[...]
“Expanding the ‘If You See Something, Say Something’ campaign to national Jewish groups, the first faith-based partnership for the campaign, is an important step in the Department’s ongoing effort to engage the American public in our nation’s security efforts.”

The board of The Jewish Federations of North America pointed to recent attempted attacks on Jewish targets, such as the two men who were accused of allegedly plotting to attack a Manhattan synagogue last month as they allegedly tried to purchase a grenade and handguns.

“The American Jewish community and the places we gather are, unfortunately, often targets for terrorists,” said Michael Gelman, the chairman of the Executive Committee of the Board of the Jewish Federations of North America.

“This new partnership with the Department of Homeland Security will empower us to counter this threat as we become more actively involved in our own protection,” he said.

more: DHS partners with Jewish organizations - TheHill.com



July 16, 2010
Homeland security releases new funds to non-profits

The Department of Homeland Security released $19 million to secure non-profits, the vast majority Jewish.


Of 271 institutions named in a list released this week by DHS, 254 are Jewish, including synagogues, schools, community centers and offices.

more: Homeland security releases new funds to non-profits | Nation | Jewish Journal



... it's pretty clear that they intend to make their War On Terrror Hoax into a far sweeter cash train than their Holocaust Industry ever was!

fucking amazing,

an abiding disappointment.