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    Stephen Lawrence Murder Trial, 2011.

    I'm sure many will remember this murder and the utter kuntish behaviour of those that were accused, particularly David Morris spitting and gloating at the media coming down the court steps.

    Well two of them have gone on trial again after new DNA evidence has been submitted.

    Stephen Lawrence Murder Trial Day Three: Live Updates From Gary Dobson And David Norris' Trial | UK News | Sky News

    The first witnesses are giving evidence in the trial of two men accused of killing teenager Stephen Lawrence 18 years ago.

    Eyewitnesses from the night Stephen, 18, was killed in Eltham, south east London, in April 1993 are testifying at the Old Bailey.

    They include members of the public who were waiting at the same bus stop as Mr Lawrence shortly before he was attacked.

    The off-duty police officer who found Stephen dying is also due to give evidence.

    Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, both of south London, both deny murder.

    The jury has heard how a cold case forensic review found a previously undetected tiny stain of Stephen's blood on Dobson's jacket collar.

    Prosecutor Mark Ellison QC said it was a one-in-a-billion match to the black teenager and showed Dobson was one of the gang who killed him in a racist attack.

    He told the jury that the blood stain had not been found when the jacket was first examined when Dobson was arrested shortly after the murder.

    But in a re-opened investigation in 2006, scientists used a new, slow and expensive technique involving a low-power microscope.

    The court heard two of Stephen's hairs were found in a bag that contained Norris' jeans and seven fibres from Stephen's clothes were found on his sweatshirt.

    Dobson and Norris deny murder. Their barristers told the jury that the clothing had been contaminated while in police custody.

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    Stephen Lawrence murder trial begins at Old Bailey



    The trial of Gary Dobson and David Norris is expected to last until Christmas

    Two men have appeared at the Old Bailey charged with the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence 18 years ago.

    The 18-year-old A-level student was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths in Eltham, south-east London, on 22 April 1993.

    Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, both of south London, deny the charges.
    The high-profile killing at a bus stop prompted a public inquiry into the Metropolitan Police's handling of the case.

    Stephen's parents Doreen and Neville arrived at the Old Bailey to witness the start of the trial before Mr Justice Treacy.

    A jury is due to be sworn in on Tuesday and the case is expected to last around two months.

    The prosecution is led by Mark Ellison QC, Mr Dobson is being defended by Timothy Roberts QC, and Stephen Batten QC is representing Mr Norris

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    They've aged a bit.





    I think many people would be happy to see these pieces of scum found guilty and go down for 25+ years.

    Joey Barton's brother went down for 28 years for a similar racist murder.

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    Personally I think they should be disposed of slowly and painfully!

    How much would it cost the taxpayer to lock them up for the next 25 years?

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    about 5 million quid.

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    It was some kind of rival gang thing , who cares

    I like how most of the media only show a crop of the photo of him giving the black power salute ,


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    in court today a police video of obscene racist rants by two men accused of murdering Stephen
    Lawrence
    were shown to a jury today

    David Norris said
    "I would go down Catford and places like that I am telling you now, with two sub machine guns, and I am telling you I would take one of them, skin the black c*** alive mate, torture him, set him alight...I would blow their two arms and legs off and say
    "go on, you can swim home now".

    But they never mentioned lawrence though, so it does not make them guilty .

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    It was some kind of rival gang thing , who cares

    I like how most of the media only show a crop of the photo of him giving the black power salute ,
    Yeah.

    Exactly the same thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    in court today a police video of obscene racist rants by two men accused of murdering Stephen
    Lawrence
    were shown to a jury today

    David Norris said
    "I would go down Catford and places like that I am telling you now, with two sub machine guns, and I am telling you I would take one of them, skin the black c*** alive mate, torture him, set him alight...I would blow their two arms and legs off and say
    "go on, you can swim home now".

    But they never mentioned lawrence though, so it does not make them guilty .
    I believe you're stretching the truth a tad here.

    I remember watching the video of that in a doco a few years ago and him then being questioned about it by a journalist.

    Yours seems a bit different compared to what was actually said.

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    its from the
    BBC News - Lawrence trial: Dobson 'disgusted' by racist speech


    They watched them for several days ,there was no mention of Lawrence , it's a fact,
    and that seems strange .
    I have no idea if they did it .
    The other kid with lawrence ,was not much help after the stabbing, also odd.

    I don't like people been killed , but i do not see why this case merits a massive amount of police and court time .

    It's a court of law ,if there's a reasonable doubt they should walk ,
    as the forensics also look questionable , this seems the correct legal outcome.

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    Strange they didn't mention the murder on the video.
    Obviously they are chav scum but... if they didn't..they didn't.
    Personally I think they probably did.

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    Sounds like the DNA evidence doesn't bear close scrutiny, my feeling is they'll walk.

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    They have already been tried with the murders with a not innocent verdict
    Then the double jeopardy rule was scrapped ,so they being tried again after
    more DNA evidence was found on one of the suspects clothes years after the first trial.

    you have to ask why the police still had those clothes, and did not return them ?
    guess it's the difference between have a good lawyer ,and a free one ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    They have already been tried with the murders with a not innocent verdict
    Then the double jeopardy rule was scrapped ,so they being tried again after
    more DNA evidence was found on one of the suspects clothes years after the first trial.

    you have to ask why the police still had those clothes, and did not return them ?
    guess it's the difference between have a good lawyer ,and a free one ?
    But the chain of custody, etc., has been brought into question, rendering the evidence almost worthless.

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    so how did S.L.'s blood end up on a jacket ?

    you do hear racist banter but what they said in the vid was way over the top.

    it's on a knife-edge now as to whether they walk or go down.

    i think they'll go down and then some kind of appeal after they serve a few years.

    they may not have intended to kill him but if you play with knives, shit can happen.
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    The Jury retired 4 days ago, and are yet to reach a verdict.


    Interviews etc from 1999.


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    do jurors get free food delivered ?
    are there ethnic minorities on the jury?
    is there a KFC next door ?


    if the answer is yes , don't expect a verdict anytime soon

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    Stephen Lawrence murder: Dobson and Norris found guilty



    Two men have been convicted of the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence - 18 years after the attack.

    Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, were found guilty by a jury at the Old Bailey after a trial focused on forensic evidence seized in 1993.

    Scientists found a tiny blood stain on Dobson's jacket that could only have come from Mr Lawrence.

    The original failed investigation led to the Metropolitan Police being branded as institutionally racist.

    Stephen Lawrence was 18 when he was stabbed to death near a bus stop in Eltham, south London, in April 1993. Police identified five men who were later named in a damning public inquiry as the "prime suspects".
    18 YEARS ON: THE EVIDENCE

    • Tiny blood stain on Dobson's jacket
    • Scientists found DNA and matched it to Stephen
    • Clothing fibres matched victim's clothes
    • Single 2mm hair matched to teenager

    By that time there had already been a catalogue of police errors and two failed prosecutions, one brought by Stephen's parents, Doreen and Neville Lawrence.

    But in a four-year-long cold case review, a fresh team of forensic scientists uncovered microscopic evidence linking the men to the murder - evidence that the police had held all along.

    The material - blood stains, clothing fibres and a single hair belonging to the teenager - were recovered from the clothes of the suspects which had been seized in 1993.

    Scientists recovered the material using advanced techniques which were not available to the original case scientists.

    Dobson and Norris, who denied the murder, said their clothing had been contaminated as police mixed up evidence down the years. Detectives spent months establishing the movements and handling of the exhibits since 1993 - and the jury were told that contamination was implausible.

    Gary Dobson, jailed in 2010 for drugs trafficking, is among a small number of men to have been tried twice for the same crime after the Court of Appeal quashed his 1996 acquittal for the murder.

    In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Panorama, Stephen's mother Doreen Lawrence said: "I don't forgive the boys who killed Stephen. They don't think they have done anything wrong.

    "They took away Stephen's life and there is nothing in their behaviour or anything to show they they regret what their actions have done and the pain it has caused us as a family."

    Acting Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick, who ordered the 2006 cold case review that led to the convictions, said the case had been extremely important for the Lawrence family, the Metropolitan Police and society at large.

    She said: "It has been a unique case in policing. Firstly the horrible, horrible nature of the attack on the night. The time in which it has taken to bring anybody to justice and the tireless campaigning of the Lawrences.

    "There is no comparable case. All homicide cases are terrible, but for us it is a very important case. Most importantly we wanted to be able to bring people to justice for the killing and try to give Doreen and Neville Lawrence and their family some sense of justice."

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    Stephen Lawrence killers found guilty 18 years after racist murder

    Gary Dobson and David Norris have been found guilty of the racist murder of Stephen Lawrence, the first convictions in the case since the black teenager was stabbed to death 18 years ago.

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    (From left) Stephen Lawrence, Gary Dobson and David Norris



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    The jacket found at premises of Gary Dobson



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    A blood flake found on the jacket seized from Gary Dobson's home Photo: PA



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    The convictions are the first since Stephen was murdered at a bus stop in Eltham, south London, on April 22 1993 Photo: JANE MINGAY














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    Gary Dobson and David Norris were convicted today at the Old Bailey and now face life sentences.


    It comes after a five-week trial during which forensic evidence linking the two to the murder was shown to the jury.

    A spot of Stephen’s blood was found on the collar of Dobson’s jacket, while hairs belonging to Stephen were found on Norris’s trousers.

    Dobson protested his innocence as he was led from court saying: "You have condemned an innocent man here, I hope you can live with yourselves."
    The judge Mr Justice Treacy said he would sentence both men tomorrow.
    Dobson and Norris were part of a gang of white youths who racially taunted Stephen before stabbing him to death in a 10 – second attack in Eltham, south-east London in 1993.


    The pair had claimed they were not involved in the murder. Instead Dobson said he was at home at the time while Norris said he could not recall exactly where he was. His mother told the court he too would have been at home.

    But, after three days of deliberation, the jury rejected their defences.

    Mark Ellison QC, prosecuting, had told the court that Dobson and Norris' gang had forced the A-level student to the ground at a bus stop before the fatal knife attack, after his friend Duwayne Brooks managed to flee the scene.


    "Stephen Lawrence did not manage to get away," Mr Ellison told jurors at the Old Bailey." The group quickly surrounded him," he said. "One witness described that he was swallowed up by the weight of numbers and forced to the ground."


    The prosecution claimed Stephen's murder was inherently racist and pointed to evidence from secret recordings of the pair.

    Norris was recorded boasting he would use ‘two submachine guns’ in a plan to ‘skin a black ****’ and ‘blow their two arms and legs off’.

    Then, he said, he would tell them: ‘Go on, you can swim home now’. He added: ‘They would be bobbing about like that.’


    Dobson was also recorded recalling a time when he threatened a black colleague with a knife.


    After the verdicts were delivered the court was told that Dobson is currently serving five years for drug offences while Norris was jailed in 2002 for racial attack on a black off-duty policeman.

    Dobson and Norris were two of the original five suspects arrested by the Metropolitan Police at the time of the murder. Two brothers, Neil and Jamie Acourt, and their friend Luke Knight were the others.


    But, back then, there was not enough evidence to charge them.
    Stephen’s family pursued a private prosecution against the five.

    The case against three of the suspects – including Dobson – went to court, but later collapsed.

    The murder brought the issue of race relations in Britain into sharp focus.
    Failure to have anyone convicted had haunted the Metropolitan Police who were fiercely criticised at a public inquiry for their handling of the case.

    The Macpherson Report, in 1998, branded the force “institutionally racist”.

    The fresh prosecution case against Dobson and Norris was launched following a forensic review which began in 2006.

    The police had to go to the Court of Appeal to have Dobson’s private prosecution acquittal quashed so that he could be tried a second time.

    Dobson's mother Pauline broke down on hearing the verdict. As she left the public gallery she cried: "He is innocent. He did not kill that man.

    Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police acting deputy commissioner, praised the Lawrence’s family, admitting that the prosecution could not have happened without them.

    She said: “I think everybody acknowledges the extraordinary effect that the constant campaigning of the Lawrences had during the 90s.


    “It is because of them frankly that we ended up with a public inquiry which has had the most massive impact on policing and beyond. I think it is perfectly possible we would not be exactly where we are today without the work they did.”
    The officer said that it was important not only for the police, but also for society that the case was solved.

    She added: “All murder cases are absolutely dreadful, but this case for reasons you will all understand is extremely important, not just for the Metropolitan Police, but for society at large.


    “It is a very important murder case. The views surrounding the first investigation and subsequent public inquiry of course damaged the Metropolitan Police’s reputation.


    “But the Met does persevere and continue with investigations. From our point of view this was a case that we wanted, of course, to bring people to justice.”
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    Gary Dobson and David Norris were convicted today at the Old Bailey and now face life sentences.
    It seems they have to receive the punishment they would have received as juveniles. This will be around 12 years, maybe more if the racist and knife issues are taken into account.

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    You think they would have left the country years ago.
    The 400 year old law where you could not face trial more than once for the same crime ,was changed just for them ,and with the race element, a politically correct show trial was always on the cards.
    It's sad to say but i have no confidence in the fairness of this trial .

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    excellent news that these murderous thugs have finally been found guilty.

    excellent news that the double jeopardy rules had been abolished.

    always good to see scum locked up.

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