Thread: Stephen Lawrence Murder Trial, 2011.

I'm sure many will remember this murder and the utter kuntish behaviour of those that were accused, particularly David Morris spitting and gloating at the media coming down the court steps.

Well two of them have gone on trial again after new DNA evidence has been submitted.

Stephen Lawrence Murder Trial Day Three: Live Updates From Gary Dobson And David Norris' Trial | UK News | Sky News

The first witnesses are giving evidence in the trial of two men accused of killing teenager Stephen Lawrence 18 years ago.

Eyewitnesses from the night Stephen, 18, was killed in Eltham, south east London, in April 1993 are testifying at the Old Bailey.

They include members of the public who were waiting at the same bus stop as Mr Lawrence shortly before he was attacked.

The off-duty police officer who found Stephen dying is also due to give evidence.

Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, both of south London, both deny murder.

The jury has heard how a cold case forensic review found a previously undetected tiny stain of Stephen's blood on Dobson's jacket collar.

Prosecutor Mark Ellison QC said it was a one-in-a-billion match to the black teenager and showed Dobson was one of the gang who killed him in a racist attack.

He told the jury that the blood stain had not been found when the jacket was first examined when Dobson was arrested shortly after the murder.

But in a re-opened investigation in 2006, scientists used a new, slow and expensive technique involving a low-power microscope.

The court heard two of Stephen's hairs were found in a bag that contained Norris' jeans and seven fibres from Stephen's clothes were found on his sweatshirt.

Dobson and Norris deny murder. Their barristers told the jury that the clothing had been contaminated while in police custody.

Stephen Lawrence murder trial begins at Old Bailey



The trial of Gary Dobson and David Norris is expected to last until Christmas

Two men have appeared at the Old Bailey charged with the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence 18 years ago.

The 18-year-old A-level student was stabbed to death by a gang of white youths in Eltham, south-east London, on 22 April 1993.

Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, both of south London, deny the charges.
The high-profile killing at a bus stop prompted a public inquiry into the Metropolitan Police's handling of the case.

Stephen's parents Doreen and Neville arrived at the Old Bailey to witness the start of the trial before Mr Justice Treacy.

A jury is due to be sworn in on Tuesday and the case is expected to last around two months.

The prosecution is led by Mark Ellison QC, Mr Dobson is being defended by Timothy Roberts QC, and Stephen Batten QC is representing Mr Norris

They've aged a bit.





I think many people would be happy to see these pieces of scum found guilty and go down for 25+ years.

Joey Barton's brother went down for 28 years for a similar racist murder.

Personally I think they should be disposed of slowly and painfully!

How much would it cost the taxpayer to lock them up for the next 25 years?

about 5 million quid.

It was some kind of rival gang thing , who cares

I like how most of the media only show a crop of the photo of him giving the black power salute ,

in court today a police video of obscene racist rants by two men accused of murdering Stephen
Lawrence
were shown to a jury today

David Norris said
"I would go down Catford and places like that I am telling you now, with two sub machine guns, and I am telling you I would take one of them, skin the black c*** alive mate, torture him, set him alight...I would blow their two arms and legs off and say
"go on, you can swim home now".

But they never mentioned lawrence though, so it does not make them guilty .

Originally Posted by blue

It was some kind of rival gang thing , who cares

I like how most of the media only show a crop of the photo of him giving the black power salute ,

Yeah.

Exactly the same thing.

Originally Posted by blue

in court today a police video of obscene racist rants by two men accused of murdering Stephen
Lawrence
were shown to a jury today

David Norris said
"I would go down Catford and places like that I am telling you now, with two sub machine guns, and I am telling you I would take one of them, skin the black c*** alive mate, torture him, set him alight...I would blow their two arms and legs off and say
"go on, you can swim home now".

But they never mentioned lawrence though, so it does not make them guilty .

I believe you're stretching the truth a tad here.

I remember watching the video of that in a doco a few years ago and him then being questioned about it by a journalist.

Yours seems a bit different compared to what was actually said.

its from the
BBC News - Lawrence trial: Dobson 'disgusted' by racist speech


They watched them for several days ,there was no mention of Lawrence , it's a fact,
and that seems strange .
I have no idea if they did it .
The other kid with lawrence ,was not much help after the stabbing, also odd.

I don't like people been killed , but i do not see why this case merits a massive amount of police and court time .

It's a court of law ,if there's a reasonable doubt they should walk ,
as the forensics also look questionable , this seems the correct legal outcome.

Strange they didn't mention the murder on the video.
Obviously they are chav scum but... if they didn't..they didn't.
Personally I think they probably did.

Sounds like the DNA evidence doesn't bear close scrutiny, my feeling is they'll walk.

They have already been tried with the murders with a not innocent verdict
Then the double jeopardy rule was scrapped ,so they being tried again after
more DNA evidence was found on one of the suspects clothes years after the first trial.

you have to ask why the police still had those clothes, and did not return them ?
guess it's the difference between have a good lawyer ,and a free one ?

Originally Posted by blue

They have already been tried with the murders with a not innocent verdict
Then the double jeopardy rule was scrapped ,so they being tried again after
more DNA evidence was found on one of the suspects clothes years after the first trial.

you have to ask why the police still had those clothes, and did not return them ?
guess it's the difference between have a good lawyer ,and a free one ?

But the chain of custody, etc., has been brought into question, rendering the evidence almost worthless.

The Jury retired 4 days ago, and are yet to reach a verdict.


Interviews etc from 1999.

do jurors get free food delivered ?
are there ethnic minorities on the jury?
is there a KFC next door ?


if the answer is yes , don't expect a verdict anytime soon

Stephen Lawrence murder: Dobson and Norris found guilty



Two men have been convicted of the racist murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence - 18 years after the attack.

Gary Dobson, 36, and David Norris, 35, were found guilty by a jury at the Old Bailey after a trial focused on forensic evidence seized in 1993.

Scientists found a tiny blood stain on Dobson's jacket that could only have come from Mr Lawrence.

The original failed investigation led to the Metropolitan Police being branded as institutionally racist.

Stephen Lawrence was 18 when he was stabbed to death near a bus stop in Eltham, south London, in April 1993. Police identified five men who were later named in a damning public inquiry as the "prime suspects".
18 YEARS ON: THE EVIDENCE

• Tiny blood stain on Dobson's jacket
• Scientists found DNA and matched it to Stephen
• Clothing fibres matched victim's clothes
• Single 2mm hair matched to teenager

By that time there had already been a catalogue of police errors and two failed prosecutions, one brought by Stephen's parents, Doreen and Neville Lawrence.

But in a four-year-long cold case review, a fresh team of forensic scientists uncovered microscopic evidence linking the men to the murder - evidence that the police had held all along.

The material - blood stains, clothing fibres and a single hair belonging to the teenager - were recovered from the clothes of the suspects which had been seized in 1993.

Scientists recovered the material using advanced techniques which were not available to the original case scientists.

Dobson and Norris, who denied the murder, said their clothing had been contaminated as police mixed up evidence down the years. Detectives spent months establishing the movements and handling of the exhibits since 1993 - and the jury were told that contamination was implausible.

Gary Dobson, jailed in 2010 for drugs trafficking, is among a small number of men to have been tried twice for the same crime after the Court of Appeal quashed his 1996 acquittal for the murder.

In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Panorama, Stephen's mother Doreen Lawrence said: "I don't forgive the boys who killed Stephen. They don't think they have done anything wrong.

"They took away Stephen's life and there is nothing in their behaviour or anything to show they they regret what their actions have done and the pain it has caused us as a family."

Acting Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick, who ordered the 2006 cold case review that led to the convictions, said the case had been extremely important for the Lawrence family, the Metropolitan Police and society at large.

She said: "It has been a unique case in policing. Firstly the horrible, horrible nature of the attack on the night. The time in which it has taken to bring anybody to justice and the tireless campaigning of the Lawrences.

"There is no comparable case. All homicide cases are terrible, but for us it is a very important case. Most importantly we wanted to be able to bring people to justice for the killing and try to give Doreen and Neville Lawrence and their family some sense of justice."

There's a report on 5 Live now.

Stephen Lawrence killers found guilty 18 years after racist murder

Gary Dobson and David Norris have been found guilty of the racist murder of Stephen Lawrence, the first convictions in the case since the black teenager was stabbed to death 18 years ago.

Gary Dobson and David Norris were convicted today at the Old Bailey and now face life sentences.

It seems they have to receive the punishment they would have received as juveniles. This will be around 12 years, maybe more if the racist and knife issues are taken into account.

You think they would have left the country years ago.
The 400 year old law where you could not face trial more than once for the same crime ,was changed just for them ,and with the race element, a politically correct show trial was always on the cards.
It's sad to say but i have no confidence in the fairness of this trial .

excellent news that these murderous thugs have finally been found guilty.

excellent news that the double jeopardy rules had been abolished.

always good to see scum locked up.