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    Official: Drinking helps you live longer

    Print this out and stick it where your tilac can read it. She will surely understand when you tell her you are only doing it for health reasons. Quite clearly, not drinking is very bad for you.

    Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?
    By John Cloud Monday, Aug. 30, 2010

    One of the most contentious issues in the vast literature about alcohol consumption has been the consistent finding that those who don't drink tend to die sooner than those who do. The standard Alcoholics Anonymous explanation for this finding is that many of those who show up as abstainers in such research are actually former hard-core drunks who had already incurred health problems associated with drinking.

    But a new paper in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research suggests that for reasons that aren't entirely clear abstaining from alcohol does tend to increase one's risk of dying, even when you exclude former problem drinkers. The most shocking part? Abstainers' mortality rates are higher than those of heavy drinkers.

    Moderate drinking, which is defined as one to three drinks per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studies. Moderate alcohol use (especially when the beverage of choice is red wine) is thought to improve heart health, circulation and sociability, which can be important because people who are isolated don't have as many family members and friends who can notice and help treat health problems.

    But why would abstaining from alcohol lead to a shorter life? It's true that those who abstain from alcohol tend to be from lower socioeconomic classes, since drinking can be expensive. And people of lower socioeconomic status have more life stressors job and child-care worries that might not only keep them from the bottle but also cause stress-related illnesses over long periods. (They also don't get the stress-reducing benefits of a drink or two after work.)

    But even after controlling for nearly all imaginable variables socioeconomic status, level of physical activity, number of close friends, quality of social support and so on the researchers (a six-member team led by psychologist Charles Holahan of the University of Texas at Austin) found that over a 20-year period, mortality rates were highest for those who were not current drinkers, regardless of whether they used to be alcoholics, second highest for heavy drinkers and lowest for moderate drinkers.

    The sample of those who were studied included individuals between ages 55 and 65 who had had any kind of outpatient care in the previous three years. The 1,824 participants were followed for 20 years. One drawback of the sample: a disproportionate number, 63%, were men. Just over 69% of the abstainers died during the 20 years, 60% of the heavy drinkers died and only 41% of moderate drinkers died.

    These are remarkable statistics. Even though heavy drinking is associated with higher risk for cirrhosis and several types of cancer (particularly cancers in the mouth and esophagus), heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who don't drink, even if they never had a problem with alcohol. One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

    The authors of the new paper are careful to note that even if drinking is associated with longer life, it can be dangerous: it can impair your memory severely and it can lead to nonlethal falls and other mishaps (like, say, cheating on your spouse in a drunken haze) that can screw up your life. There's also the dependency issue: if you become addicted to alcohol, you may spend a long time trying to get off the bottle.

    That said, the new study provides the strongest evidence yet that moderate drinking is not only fun but good for you. So make mine a double.

    Read more: Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - TIME

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    OK, Encouraging to admit that I do like the odd tipple!

    However it still sounds a little like the survey on why married women live longer than Married men.

    After substantive research it was found that the main reason was that married women wished to live longer!!! Hic! sorry Harry spoken after the odd tipple from a darlick machine:-)

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    ^ Great news.

    Now that I've become a moderate drinker I find more enjoyment in drinking.
    No hangover, more money in the pocket and more stress free.

    Trick is to listen to that little inner voice, your intuition, that usually does say when enough is enough. The competing voice is a bit wilder and adventurous, tells me go for it, it's fun, got to be ok!

    I now get a home brew of stout going, or drink wine at home.

    Out and about, I tend to drink Guinness or wine, and generally water with it.

    A small amount of food as I drink keeps me high and happy.

    I only drink spirits occasionally now, with friends.

    Works for me.

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    I am sending it to my doc (friend) I worry about doing everything wrong. Drinking Eating exercise, aspirin Vit. D diabetes cholesterol god I will probably get hit by a bus on my way to the gym!

    Ent, You said Guinness or Wine? There is a difference? I drink spirits more now so as to keep the weight down. What is the diffeence between heavy and Moderate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Works for me.
    Thats the main thing if your happy good on ya .

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    Haven't read it because I'm drunk but I've suspected this all along!

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    Real Guinness, or a strong porter or stout contains a high amount of Vit B and iron.

    The "black stuff" has a decided reputation for causing weight gain, so a glass of water with it is great when compulsive arm-bending occurs! Quaff the water and sip the beer.

    Similarly with wine, a glass of water per glass of wine.

    The Romans were aghast at the way the invading Celts swilled down wine like beer, as water was commonly mixed with wine in those days, and still is in some parts of France, where wine is a daily tipple.

    I've had wine snobs, pseudo connoisseurs, tell me that I'm killing a good wine by adding water to it before drinking the wine.

    They're just talking rot.

    Everything in moderation, and to each his own.

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    Sounds like this is complementary to Sir Mike Marmot, and Dr Malcolm Kendrick's thing about stress being the main cause of a lot of "early" deaths, rather than things like cholesterol.
    If you have a regular bit of booze it's fun and relaxing, i wouldn't be surprised if the social aspect was a factor as well as the actual physiological effects.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVmkDUkZT4

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    ^Stress is probably the biggest killer out of all our social ills.

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    ^

    Aids other killer stuff, like heart attack and cancer!

    About Guinness I am told from very good inside resources, that the black stuff has fewer calories than regular beer? Mind you after 10 pints per session it is a little less fattening than beer. But still fattening. Get funny looks asking for water in a pub in Ireland! Canada no problem often do that now. Very strict drink driving rules.

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    Most of the pubs I drank at in Eire supplied water with a squeeze of lemon gratis, usually as a tray of glasses to one side of the bar.

    Soup and a sandwich and a pint at the local grocery shop, bar to one side and a post office in a nook, with the daily paper to read while waiting.

    Civilized.

    Long live Eire.

    I did get fat on the Guinness, eight pints a night as you say, but hard work and a good attitude led us all to freedom!

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Soup and a sandwich and a pint at the local grocery shop, bar to one side and a post office in a nook, with the daily paper to read while waiting.
    Yes before the celtic tiger made the licencees worth more than the village! great village life. Miss the old world. But then no right to begrudge the rear-gaurd the right to live in the real world!.

    never knew about the lime and water. Kids have told me that they used to watch me bloat over a summer. God it did taste good.

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    Just remember that Guinness is actually English dog piss, the slops of proper beer bought by a pikey to flog to market workers in London for a farthing a gallon or something, then reinvented as "premium beer" for fucking idiots.

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    ^ Guinness grabbed the recipe from the porter stout ales of Billingsgate and Covent Market area of London.

    The porters of the markets wanted a stout ale, full of body to give the men the strength to work hard, shifting heavy loads.

    So a porter stout was concocted, a hopped ale with added oatmeal and herbs such as blackberry. Guinness also has cream added.

    Guinness never revealed his recipe, which is why you will never get a real Guinness outside of Eire.

    Other porter stouts were brewed, famously, Falstaff's stout ale of Liverpool, UK.
    It was brewed in autumn for sale in winter, a heart warming, full bodied drink.

    As an added flavour, Guinness's water was drawn from a spring that ran under the graveyard beside it, it had a high calcium content.

    The water for the Falstaff porter stout was drawn likewise from under a graveyard.
    Thelfalls was the parent company in the '60s

    As for slops, harryb, that was the mild sold cheaper, often contained the slops from the night's servings.

    Liverpool was a great place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Soup and a sandwich and a pint at the local grocery shop, bar to one side and a post office in a nook, with the daily paper to read while waiting.
    Yes before the celtic tiger made the licencees worth more than the village! great village life. Miss the old world. But then no right to begrudge the rear-gaurd the right to live in the real world!.

    never knew about the lime and water. Kids have told me that they used to watch me bloat over a summer. God it did taste good.
    Pssst!

    Old Eire's still there mate!

    Hiding behind the hedges and under the concrete by-passes of the Celtic tiger's progress, down some of those boreens, and in summer, the little people still save the turf in the bogs, the midges biting all to bits, the aroma of tai and spuds and butter mixing with the smell of wood smoke and the happy laughter of the poor and free.

    A touch of poteen, after supper.

    Christ it was good, pure heaven!

    Ty'r na Nog.

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    ENT Porter Beer was cheap, mass-produced shit.

    Don't try and dress up mutton as lamb.

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    I don't doubt there is something to it. When I used to go out drinking and chasing women I certainly was healthier than I am now. I'd bet a lot of people which from alcohol to others foods which nowadays are mostly junk. I have. I've heard that smokers that give up often gain weight. Anyways, alcohol isn't going to kill me but my eating habits just might. Life sucks lately. Wish I were still single, getting drunk regularly and whoring around.


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    It,s been printed out and is on the fridge door

    Had to modify that a little bit
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Moderate drinking, which is defined as FIVE TO SIX LARGE LEO's per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studie

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii View Post
    It,s been printed out and is on the fridge door

    Had to modify that a little bit
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Moderate drinking, which is defined as FIVE TO SIX LARGE LEO's per day, is associated with the lowest mortality rates in alcohol studie
    A subtle, and might I say effective, addendum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    ENT Porter Beer was cheap, mass-produced shit.

    Don't try and dress up mutton as lamb.
    You obviously haven't got a taste for the black stuff Harry.

    I don't like lager.

    A black and tan is a nice drink, using a pale ale.

    Draught Bass is a great beer, too.

    To each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    ENT Porter Beer was cheap, mass-produced shit.

    Don't try and dress up mutton as lamb.
    You obviously haven't got a taste for the black stuff Harry.

    I don't like lager.

    A black and tan is a nice drink, using a pale ale.

    Draught Bass is a great beer, too.

    To each his own.
    Call it what you like but it's dog piss marketed as nectar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    I've had wine snobs, pseudo connoisseurs, tell me that I'm killing a good wine by adding water to it before drinking the wine.
    The cheapo wine bought at the Laos border is only drinkable when diluted. I usually do a 50:50 mix with water and drink it from a pint glass.

    As for Guinness; it's always been the worst stout out there, but it;s not as bad as it used to be, because they've softened it to make it drinkable now.

    The best stout is brewed in Suffolk by those nice chaps at Adnams.

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    Too bad Harry, millions of drinkers love the stuff.

    All stouts are made from dark roasted barley malts as opposed to the light malt beers.

    I'm just about to brew my next 20 litre batch using an Oz Cooper's stout malt.
    Sterilized the barrel with hot water and iodine, waiting for the boiled water, malt and hops mix and sugar to cool a bit before chucking in the yeast on top.
    I add an extra handful of sugar to get a brew at 7-8% alcohol.
    Ready to drink in 6 days (1 day to settle)

    The loveliest brew. Full bodied and flavourfull !
    No chemical

    As for the Asian beers, they're all adulterated with anything from glycol to formaldehide.
    Beer Lao tastes good, like an Indian pale ale, probably the nicest tasting easily available brew in Thailand, but still polluted, along with Chang, Leo, Kingfisher and the rest.

    Six months after not drinking Asian beers I notice the difference, no stinking hangovers, or weird drunkenness, just get high on a good stout, and never a hangover, ever.

    Cheers.
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    I have not had an alcoholic drink since last Friday night and I am feeling great.

    Might have a tipple on Saturday depending on who is in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    I've had wine snobs, pseudo connoisseurs, tell me that I'm killing a good wine by adding water to it before drinking the wine.
    The cheapo wine bought at the Laos border is only drinkable when diluted. I usually do a 50:50 mix with water and drink it from a pint glass.

    As for Guinness; it's always been the worst stout out there, but it;s not as bad as it used to be, because they've softened it to make it drinkable now.

    The best stout is brewed in Suffolk by those nice chaps at Adnams.
    I would drink wine in preference to beer in Lao also, with water and a feed.
    Hard to get a good and inexpensive wine there, but one bar/pub I go to in Vientiane does have a half decent boxed house wine.

    The Guiness in Asia has to be the worst.
    Strangely though, I often get a passable one in Singapore or NZ, but definitely not the full bodied Irish brewed one.

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