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    UK loads up rubber bullets for student march

    UK loads up rubber bullets for student march

    Published: 8 November, 2011, 15:27
    Edited: 8 November, 2011, 17:33



    Police in London are preparing for war as students prepare to march on Wednesday. The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has authorized firing rubber bullets on the 10,000 students expected to march with the National Campaign Against Fees and Cuts.

    Fears prevail that a repeat of August’s riots, which left five dead, scores injured, could be on the cards if tempers flare. Then, police were slammed for a weak response to shocking public disorder riot wave that swept the country.

    MPS Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, was also dressed down for only deploying 225 officers during similar student protests last year which saw the Conservative Party headquarters ransacked on November 10. But it’s clear this time the riot squads will be ready to pull the trigger.

    With one officer for every two and a half demonstrators, Scotland Yard won’t be outmanned this time as a 4,000 strong force is set to be deployed.

    Resorting to such an unprecedented use of force is reminiscent of tactics employed by dictatorships the UK is ostensibly opposed to. Plastic bullets, which were used extensively by HM’s forces during the troubles in Northern Ireland, killed some 14 people, including 9 children, between 1973 and 1981.

    The president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, Sir Hugh Orde, who deployed plastic bullets while serving in Northern Ireland, was highly critical of the latest MPS decision: "I do not think it would be sensible in any way, shape or form to deploy water cannon or baton rounds in London. Baton rounds are very serious bits of equipment. I would only deploy them in life-threatening situations. What is happening in London is not an insurgency that is going to topple the country," he told the Guardian.

    Police are also hoping to keep Occupy London protestors camped out at St Paul’s cathedral from joining the students. However, many camping outside the cathedral support the latest round of student-led protests, and they are expected to link up despite the potential of heavy-handed, even deadly, police tactics.


    https://rt.com/news/uk-demonstration...ets-785/print/
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    What about the water cannons??

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    What about beer cannons!

    (Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to lure them away with piles of free nightclub tickets and beer vouchers?)

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    Just baton rounds for now. It's a serious escalation though, the police are going tooled up for a confrontation and no doubt will find one. If baton rounds are used it takes the police/public divide to a new level, and heightens the tension for future demonstrations.
    This is London not Londonderry, they are students not paramilitaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post
    What about beer cannons!

    (Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to lure them away with piles of free nightclub tickets and beer vouchers?)
    It certainly would be far cheaper and possibly more productive.

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    ^Agreed, where were the rubber bullets for the looting wankers a few months back? It's easy to crack down on soft students though I suppose, cowards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khmen View Post
    ^Agreed, where were the rubber bullets for the looting wankers a few months back? It's easy to crack down on soft students though I suppose, cowards.
    That why I see it as a serious escalation. If baton rounds are used against students and after the controversy has died down then the use against other protests will be unquestioned later, thing is though people might start shooting back, then it will turn into a vicious circle.

    People are protesting about unpopular decisions made by an unpopular government, it's not unusual to see the government response is to try and crush dissent, but we are living in dangerous times and being forced to become militant in response to hostility toward peoples rights is a poorly thought out route for the police to take.

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    Are these weopans funded by the taxpayer, or the Bwankers ?

    Have the taxpayers been consulted on this

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    the solution is very simple.

    if students dont want to get hit by baton rounds, then they should stay home and concentrate on their studies.

    leaving the police with their baton rounds the easy task of dealing with the anarchists and trouble makers who will be hitchiking this demo for one reason only.

    to provoke trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Just baton rounds for now. It's a serious escalation though, the police are going tooled up for a confrontation and no doubt will find one. If baton rounds are used it takes the police/public divide to a new level, and heightens the tension for future demonstrations.
    This is London not Londonderry, they are students not paramilitaries.
    When you consider that the police/government have been able to deal with far more serious violence over the last 30 years without the need to resort to anything more than riot shields and horses. This is a serious escalation that if anything demonstrates a lack of 'bottle' on the part of the government and the police. Its embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jizzybloke View Post
    What about the water cannons??
    The sound cannon and the microwave cannon?

    Hasn't a guy in the US just died from a rubber bullet that was fired at close range. Opened his skull up i believe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    the solution is very simple.

    if students dont want to get hit by baton rounds, then they should stay home and concentrate on their studies.

    leaving the police with their baton rounds the easy task of dealing with the anarchists and trouble makers who will be hitchiking this demo for one reason only.

    to provoke trouble.
    Yep..

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    I bet Charlie and Camilla won't be driving past on their way to the opera this time

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    Its embarrassing.
    not at all.

    i think its about time that the british police started to take firm action against violent and destructive street demos.

    for too long they have just stood back and let it happen. shops, properties, cars have been damaged and destroyed. usually by infilttrating groups not really aligned with the marchers. they are professional troublemakers and should be dealt with in a professional way, i.e. rubber bullets, truncheons, whatever it takes.

    let the peaceful demonstrators make their point unhindered, and as for the others, well, let the police of the leash for once.

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    ^They have stood back and let it happen, you say. Then surely you have to ask yourself why?

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    They let the fucking yobbo chavs run riot without lifting a finger and a few students they're going to shoot with rubber bullets?
    What's going on?

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    Then surely you have to ask yourself why?
    a combination of the british sense of fair play, a softly softly approach, the assumption that the other side would abide by the rules and emasculated courts and magistrates.

    a tougher approach is now demanded by taxpayers who are sick and tired of violence, disruption and rioting by mostly benefit leeching wasters who have taken advantage of the knowledge that they have nothing to fear from either the police or the courts.

    hopefully things are changing now.

    genuine protesters should have nothing to fear.

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    Cameron's lost the plot.

    The gov. (with him at the head) have upped student fees, making higher education less accessible to the poor, so favouring the rich and privileged.

    Doing a full time course at uni is stressful enough without added financial worries.

    A heavier tax burden on the banks and a higher company tax would do much to defray the cost of tertiary education.

    So would lowering the pay rates and expenses of MPs.

    Britain could also stop throwing money away on war games, euphemistically called defence spending.

    Billions of pounds have been spent in the last 10 years chasing Muslims around the globe on the pretext of establishing democracy in the Middle East, when the whole exercise was an oil war that resulted in very little profit for all concerned (except the arms industry and a few oil families).

    When there are ample global resources, then competitive trade can make sense.
    These days of increasingly finite natural resources can not sustain competitive economic growth, as the increasing competition is driving production and service costs sky high.

    All that wasted time and money would be better spent in encouraging research and education, so that we can develop a better social and fiscal model for the world.

    Baton rounds for students? Severe head, body and psychological trauma inflicted on people who could potentially find the answers to a worsening global situation?

    The fekin fool Cameron, the mate of Murdoch the liar, Cameron the smarmy mouthed spin doctor of deceit hasn't even the brains to recognize the result of his actions in sanctioning this latest means of repression of the idealists, the ones we need to get through the next 30 years and more.

    As for the chav rioters, they are another issue altogether, not the intelligentia.
    They are the product of another social fuckup initiated by crappy immigration laws which give full welfare to illegal immigrants and provide no employment to the masses.

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    ^ good post.

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    the solution is very simple. if students dont want to get hit by baton rounds, then they should stay home and concentrate on their studies.
    That's right, just accept the government breaking their pledges, handing billions of tax payer pounds to their banking buddies then passing the costs off to future generations. People should just stay home and accept the total abuses of a democratic system by bankers and their politician buddies.

    Recent British governments have spend untold billions upon unwanted foreign wars and subsidising a failed banking industry, all at the expense of British jobs, British education and British quality of living. The politicians have been raping the nation in this way while also raping their authority and expense accounts, treating the taxpayers like morons - morons who are willing to stay at home, shut up and allow/enable the criminality and anti-democratic behaviour of these politicians to continue unabated... & you think the British people should stay home and accept it??? Oh dear...

    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    i think its about time that the british police started to take firm action against violent and destructive street demos.
    The destructive elements in society are the bankers and politicians; creating a strong police state to protect these criminals that continue to rape the nation is pure insanity. It is the right of the people within a democracy to demonstrate - look at the Iraq war, the biggest demonstrations seen in decades, but the government, who had promised a referendum on the subject, broke their promise and their legal obligations to the United Nations and European Union, and went ahead anyways... A core election promise of the Tories was no increase in student fees - that went from no increase to 300%, now you think that the police should 'get tough' on these democratic protesters... Please... wake up and have a look at what Britain is turning into and just who is at fault - it's not protesters, righteous protesters within a democracy... Oh, you say that the protesters are violent??? Well, when the government promises are broken, when your chance at a uni place is gone, when the government ignores millions and indignantly marches to war anyway, when the government put each and every British citizen 20,000 pounds in dept, when the government do all this and pay massive bonuses to failed bankers, then pop to their club for lunch with the local 'defense' contractor, all the while not giving a flying fuk about the British population and their hardships, all the while looking after their club members, the old school tie wearers... at that time what are the protesters supposed to do? They have a choice: 1) go home and do nothing, let their lives and the lives of future generations be wrecked by the corrupt governments that do no longer function as aids to society but rather as entities unto themselves that answer only to themselves; 2) Protest, massively, in overwhelming numbers until the government listens to the people, and the current course of socially apocalyptic politics is halted and politics designed to better the nation can once again be forwarded...
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
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    Its embarrassing.
    not at all.

    i think its about time that the british police started to take firm action against violent and destructive street demos.
    Sorry but it is embarrassing that the british police believe themselves to be so weak and unable to control a crowd that they need to escalate to rubber bullets, rather than use the techniques that have served their predecessors so well in situations which were significantly more violent than whats on threat here. A police commander who cannot control a demonstration in the UK without the use of firearms is clearly not up to the job.

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    ^^

    an alternative point of view, well stated.

    Protest, massively, in overwhelming numbers until the government listens to the people
    the gov. were elected democratically to govern for 4 years.


    righteous protesters within a democracy...
    i doubt if they will be targeted by the police.

    its the violent anarchistic intruding groups within these demos that will rightly be targeted. those who break windows, throw fire extinguishers out of 10th floor windows, those who wantonly destroy and deliberately provoke the police into a heavy response.

    too many "students" are going to uni these days, taking worthless courses and emerging with worthless degrees. as for the fees, the daughter of a friend of mine, rather than going off on a gap year jaunt at her parents expense, decided to earn her fees herself, she really wants to study dentistry. her parents were doubtful they could come up with the fees etc. so she worked for a year. any jobs she could get, part time, night time, full time.bought stuff wholesale and sold on a market stall, late shift at macD, anything. she saved enough for her fees and her keep.

    if she could do it, anyone can do it, if they want something badly enough.
    trouble is, everyone seems to think they are entitled to everything free, the easy option. and if they cant have it throw a tantrum.

    work to save for my education ? fuck that, i'm entitled to it free.... and have a gap year on the beach somewhere too. whaddya mean i cant have it !! then i'll demonstrate, i'll break windows until this society bloody well gives me it.

    cant you see. those days are over. the free lunches have run out, and yes, soon it will be the bankers and politicos turn to accept reality and live within their means.

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    Having gone through uni as a mature student, I had to work in between studies to be able to even afford a beer and a cigarette and petrol for my car to get to uni.
    We car-pooled, and ate communally to cut costs.
    The op-shop was the prefered clothing store and our furniture came from there too.
    Second hand text books and free hand outs of food helped a lot.
    The ones who finally graduated, 40% of those who started, on average, were dedicated.

    The wealthier students, largely Asians and American exchange students, along with Maori (who received extra, additional funding, very PC!!!) could afford to eat in the student cafeterias, which were too expensive (Student Union owned!!) for the average poor students.

    Gap year? you must be kidding!
    That is the privilege of the wealthy and upper middle class students, not of the average AT ALL!!!

    Get that straight mate. Too much crap is thrown at university students, and there is only one reason for it.

    The students are the budding leaders of our world, the intelligentia.
    Without them there is no REVOLUTION!

    So governments all over the world try to squeeze students into submission and conformity, even in uni, where, if one espouses a view contrary to that university's brief, as decided by the funding businesses and industries, one is bloody well blocked at best and kicked out at worst.

    Government does NOT fund universities, the real money comes from NASA, ICI, BOFORS, SUZUKI, OLIN, to name just a few of the fekin pirates controlling the education industry finances, and so their programmes and courses, for their own research ambitions.

    Gov. wants the kids from RICH and upper middle class families in on the deal, because they have "old' family money and can be depended on to behave and support Daddy's investments, and not protest at cuts and raised fees.

    These kids get gap years paid by their parents, the rest of us worked through gap years.

    The bankers and politicians will only give up their fees at the point of a gun, doubt you not.

    The revolution against the overlords has only just begun.

    GLOBALLY
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    Water cannons and rubber bullets are so yesterday.

    Hit these ferel people with Tasors and (already mentioned) sound. That'll have 'em running back to mommy's basement real quick.

    ...as soon as the muscle spasms were off that is...

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