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    Teabagger Terrorist plot in US uncovered

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) says that four members of a fringe militia used a book written by Fox News “expert” Mike Vanderboegh as a basis for a plot to commit domestic terrorism.

    Federal law enforcement authorities on Tuesday arrested four Georgia senior citizens for allegedly plotting to kill government officials and spread terror with guns, explosives and the toxin ricin.

    An FBI criminal complaint (PDF) claimed that Frederick Thomas cited Vanderboegh’s book Absolved as a model for the group’s actions.


    “The plot of Absolved involves small groups citizens attacking United States federal law enforcement representatives and federal judges,” special agent David Wylie explained.

    Thomas along with Samuel Crump, Ray Adams, and Dan Roberts, who together called themselves the “covert group,” hatched the plot over the phone, at their residences and even at a Toccoa, Georgia Waffle House.

    “There is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that’s highly, highly illegal: murder,” Thomas was recorded telling a confidential informant.

    “When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people have got to die.”

    At one meeting, Roberts claimed to be in contact with a man named “Sammy” who had the experience and the ingredients necessary for manufacturing the deadly toxin ricin.

    “What I’d like to do is make about 10 pounds of that,” Crump told him. “Put it out in different cities at the same time: Washington, DC; maybe Newark, NJ; Atlanta, GA; Jacksonville, FL; New Orleans.”


    Crump also contemplated using botulinium toxin to carry out attacks.

    “That other kind, one pound can kill 30 million people,” he asserted. “We need somebody to back us with some damn money so we can make that other shit.”

    As for Vanderboegh, Media Matters noted that he had been recently “mainstreamed” by Fox News after breaking the story about the Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious.

    In a 2010 blog post, he also called on the opponents of health care reform to break the windows of Democratic officals.

    “All of my work has been trying to get people to understand that a civil war is possible,” he admitted to WIAT-TV last year. “When a system becomes tyrannical, it is lawful, it is quote — unquote — constitutional, the way that they are perverting it and turning it. To be law abiding in such a system is no virtue.”

    “To further push us back from our rights after we have said we will not back up, then you must understand that if you cannot persuade us, if you cannot intimidate us then you must kill us. But remember, we’ll shoot back. We’ll shoot back. No Fort Sumters, no Oklahoma Cities. We will sit and wait to see what they decide and if health care is worth the deaths of some of us to Nancy Pelosi, she will rue the day. She will rue the day because she is starting a fight that she cannot win.”

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/0...-constitution/

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    "We will sit and wait to see what they decide and if health care is worth the deaths of some of us to Nancy Pelosi"

    are these fucking people serious?

    At least we won't have to pay out of pocket for treating bullet wounds!

    fucking morons!!

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    There are crack jobs everywhere. Hopefully we can catch them before they do any harm.

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    shit, do you think they got socal?

    on the positive side, the chances of any of these tea baggers actually making dangerous quantities of ricin or botulism toxin without killing themselves in the process is staggeringly remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    shit, do you think they got socal?

    on the positive side, the chances of any of these tea baggers actually making dangerous quantities of ricin or botulism toxin without killing themselves in the process is staggeringly remote.
    No these geriatric old fools were more in Boonme's age group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Fox News “expert” Mike Vanderboegh
    An ex Militia organiser, and member of the Minutemen vigilante 'border patrol'. Chicken hawk down...

    Activist Mike Vanderboegh urged his fellow extremists to break Democrats' windows. But he gets "Marxist" welfare

    While Vanderboegh claims to be a militant “libertarian,” a tribune of the oppressed white middle class, and a student of Friedrich von Hayek, he appears to be an ordinary welfare case. Claiming to be too ill for gainful employment, he apparently spends most of his time stirring up violence, with a nice federal subsidy.
    According to the Post, he lives off his wife, who works at a forklift company — and also gets a monthly disability check from our “Marxist” federal government.

    An anti-government militant -- on disability - Healthcare Reform - Salon.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Deris
    There are crack jobs everywhere.
    Sure, but we don't expect to see them as guests or commentators on mainstream News channels.
    probes Aliens

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    For Christ’s sake,..what a mixture.

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    ^ the average age of the Fox News viewer is 65.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub
    Fox News “expert” Mike Vanderboegh
    An ex Militia organiser, and member of the Minutemen vigilante 'border patrol'. Chicken hawk down...

    Activist Mike Vanderboegh urged his fellow extremists to break Democrats' windows. But he gets "Marxist" welfare

    While Vanderboegh claims to be a militant “libertarian,” a tribune of the oppressed white middle class, and a student of Friedrich von Hayek, he appears to be an ordinary welfare case. Claiming to be too ill for gainful employment, he apparently spends most of his time stirring up violence, with a nice federal subsidy.
    According to the Post, he lives off his wife, who works at a forklift company — and also gets a monthly disability check from our “Marxist” federal government.

    An anti-government militant -- on disability - Healthcare Reform - Salon.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Deris
    There are crack jobs everywhere.
    Sure, but we don't expect to see them as guests or commentators on mainstream News channels.
    Yes and now it appears Fox is trying to actively cover up the depth of the relationship;

    Charging documents indeed state that accused plotter Frederick Thomas repeatedly cited as an inspiration the novel Absolved, in which underground militia fighters declare war on the federal government over gun control laws and same-sex marriage, leading to a second American revolution. But Fox's report neglected to mention the allegedly inspirational novel's author, who is no stranger to Fox viewers.

    Indeed, the author, Mike Vanderboegh, has been mainstreamed by the network, which has repeatedly featured him as an expert on the ATF's failed Operation Fast and Furious. Fox has identified Vanderboegh as an "online journalist" and an "authority on the Fast and Furious investigation," and has consistently failed to acknowledge his extremist views, actions, and affiliations.

    Fox Covers Up Connection Between Terrorism Allegations And Their Expert | Media Matters for America

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    For Christ’s sake,..what a mixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    shit, do you think they got socal?

    on the positive side, the chances of any of these tea baggers actually making dangerous quantities of ricin or botulism toxin without killing themselves in the process is staggeringly remote.
    No these geriatric old fools where more in Boonme's age group.

    Most were probably on medicare or government healthcare like Boonme.

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    ^ Yep the hypocrisy is mind numbing.

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    Fox Nation Ignores White Militia Domestic Terrorism?

    Make believe that four Muslims were arrested for allegedly attempting to attack US citizens and government employees with the deadly poison Ricin. Imagine that one of them, in defending his "jihad," said "somebody's got to die" and spoke of explosives, hidden in government vans, which are timed to go off when the government workers are in them. Imagine if these "jihadists" alleged that they had radios stolen from the US Government. Imagine if one of them joked about releasing Ricin over the city of Washington DC. You can certainly imagine the outcry from Bill O'Reilly who would bray about how "jihad" is part of Islam and all terrorism is Muslim. Rep. Peter King would be all over Fox news talking about the need for more investigations into radicalization of American Muslims. Fox Nation would have this as a lede story for at least a day and there would lots of crude invective against Muslims. But let's get back to reality which is just as bad.

    H/T TPM which has some good info about the "good ole Merkin boys" (actually senior citizens)

    Yesterday, four white American guys from Georgia were arrested by federal authorities for attempting to foist a chemical attack on Americans. The quote about somebody dying was made by one of these American, non Muslim jihadists. But nothing, nada, bupkis on the "front page" of Fox Nation (6:50 EST) which loves to play the fear of Islam card at every opportunity. But when a Catholic "pro-lifer" was arrested on his way to kill Planned Parenthood employees, he wasn't mentioned on Fox Nation. And if atheists file suit against Christian crosses on public land, that's considered terrorism against Christians. And the "ground zero mosque" - fahgetaboutit! Can we say double standard when it comes to terrorism on the part of real Merkins?

    Oh, and I forgot the best part. The Facebook profile for teabagger Samuel Crump mentions that he likes Fox News. He also has a joke about wanting President Obama to die. Wonder if he's one of the real Merkins who post death threats on Fox Nation bout them, thar Mooselims and President Obama - cuz he sure sounds like one. Betcha if Fox Nation ran a thread, these creeps would be considered Merkin heroes - real "freedom fighters" as opposed to domestic terrorists!

    News Hounds: Fox Nation Ignores White Militia Domestic Terrorism?
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    Meet The Senior Citizen Militia Members Arrested In Georgia Bio Attack Plot



    Federal authorities on Tuesday arrested four Georgia senior citizens for allegedly plotting to attack U.S. citizens and government officials with the deadly toxin ricin. Lets meet the players.

    Frederick Thomas; Cleveland, Ga.; 73

    Thomas was allegedly the leader of the bunch. He lives in a brown two-story family residence that sits on two acres of property. The first meeting allegedly took place at his home, where he claimed he had enough weapons to arm everyone present.

    An FBI affidavit said he claimed to have compiled a “bucket list” of government employees, politicians, corporate leaders and members of the media who would need to be “taken out” to “make the country right again.”

    Thomas allegedly said that there “is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that’s highly, highly illegal. Murder. That’s fucking illegal, but it’s gotta be done.”

    “When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people gotta die,” Thomas allegedly said.

    “Let’s shoot the bastards that we discover are anti-American or enemies of America, treasonous,” Thomas allegedly said. “And to me the easiest and best way to do that is to walk up behind them with a suppressed .22. I am of the, uh, old school, Mafia; one behind the ear with a .22 is all you need.”

    Meeting with an undercover FBI agent, Thomas allegedly explained that his “covert group” was planning to carry out the actions of the main characters from the book “Absolved,” written by right-wing blogger and former militia man Mike Vanderboegh. He allegedly said he considered himself expendable because of his age.

    “We need to place within an ATF or DEA big black van. When they fill up their people, we’re gonna take them all out at once,” Thomas allegedly said, speaking of possible explosives. “I ain’t worried about dying.”

    Thomas said that the senior citizens had begun physical training and fitness to prepare for the physical demands their plans required.

    According to a Red State profile which matches his description, Thomas is a Vietnam vet who worked as an aerospace communications systems engineer and held “top secret security clearance for nearly 50 years.”

    His wife, Charlotte Thomas, said her husband didn’t have an attorney yet.

    Dan Roberts; Toccoa; 67

    Roberts drives a 1990 Red Ford Ranger pickup and lives in a yellow-sided home on a 1.8 acre plot of land. Roberts allegedly said he knew people in Habersham County who “had a substance that could kill people with a very small amount.” He claimed he’d been talking to a former Army soldier living in Stephens County whom he descibed as a “loose cannon” who manufactured ricin. Roberts said he personally saw the ricin in powder form.

    In August, Roberts allegedly met with a cooperating source in a Cornelia, Georgia restaurant and provided a two way radio for team communications. He alleged that the radios had been stolen from the U.S. Army in Afghanistan. FBI agents who examined the radio found that serial numbers and identifiers have been “obliterated” but that they were assigned to channels that indicate military unit nomenclature. They are still trying to determine if the radios were stolen.

    During a meeting on Oct. 21, Roberts expressed concern about buying an explosive device from an undercover FBI agent because he was concerned he could be a “cop,” but he said he was still going through with the deal. He said the next group meeting would take place at his home.

    As TPM previously reported, Roberts sued a number of local officials and a newspaper in federal court in relation to a 2004 “Southern Heritage” event he organized at a middle school that featured the Confederate flag. According to the lawsuit, he “co-sponsored and assisted in flag rallies organized by the Southern Rights Association [hereafter SRA]. He is widely known in the area as a flag supporter.”

    According to the Georgia militia, he’s commanding officer of the 440th squad.

    His wife said he’d never “been in trouble with the law. He’s not anti-government. He would never hurt anybody.”

    Ray H. Adams; Toccoa; 65

    A retired Department of Agriculture employee, Adams lives in “a single story shelter constructed of wood plants and a metal roof.” The rear of the shelter, according to an FBI affidavit, “is a travel trailer used for its kitchen facilities and storage.” It’s located on 17.21 acres.

    Adams allegedly showed off plaques from his career regarding his certifications and training and said that he worked in the horticultural field. The USDA confirmed he worked for the Agricultural Research Service as a lab technician. Adams thought his experience gave him a leg up.

    “Well I’ve never done it (made ricin) but I have laboratory experience, and once you extract that stuff enough just splashing it on your skin can kill ya,” he allegedly said.

    Adams’ compound allegedly had laboratory equipment and the beans needed to make ricin. He appears to have been fully on board with the plan.

    “I’d say the first ones that need to die is the ones in the government buildings,” Adams allegedly said. “When it comes down to it, I can kill somebody.”

    Samuel J. Crump, Toccoa, Ga. 68

    Crump, pictured above in a photo posted on MySpace and Facebook, lived in a mobile that sat on .27 acres. The Centers for Disease Control told the FBI he worked as a contractor for the agency doing “maintenance type services.”

    On his Facebook page, Crump is a member of a number of Tea Party affiliated groups as well as one called “DEAR LORD, THIS YEAR YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTOR, PATRICK SWAYZIE. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE ACTRESS, FARAH FAWCETT. YOU TOOK MY FAVORITE SINGER, MICHAEL JACKSON. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, MY FAVORITE PRESIDENT IS BARACK OBAMA. AMEN.”

    Crump was seen as the arrested group’s expert on ricin.

    “Ya got, ya can’t let none of it get on your skin,” he allegedly said. “Got to be a closed environment when it’s made. No wind. If it gets up your nose… there’s no cure.”

    He also had some recommendations for how the group could launch their attack.

    “You take a pound of that (unintelligible), get upwind, up around Washington, DC, get about 20,000 feet (in an airplane), and turn that shit loose, it’d cover the whole (unintelligible) of Washington,” he allegedly said. Alternatively, he suggested releasing the ricin out of a car on the highway.

    “Just think, put all that shit out, and it starts goin’ towards Washington, peoples starts kicking the bucket like that, you’re talking about a red flag buddy,” Crump allegedly said.

    Meet The Senior Citizen Militia Members Arrested In Georgia Bio Attack Plot | TPMMuckraker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hampsha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
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    shit, do you think they got socal?

    on the positive side, the chances of any of these tea baggers actually making dangerous quantities of ricin or botulism toxin without killing themselves in the process is staggeringly remote.
    No these geriatric old fools where more in Boonme's age group.

    Most were probably on medicare or government healthcare like Boonme.
    Being unemployable and leaching off the state seems to be one to the few things that unites all of these nutters, be they communist, fascist, christan, jewish, moslem or just plain tea bags.

    I suppose it because they are of no consequence and want to be someone special..... without the effort of putting in the life time of effort that requires.

    As for fox, would anyone expect them to behave any differently?

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    I love the fact that boontard is running scared on this. He has posted his garbage dogma on the OWS thread but runs like a coward welfare hypocrite.. His Captains on the right have ordered his silence.

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    I am pissed off..I could and would drink with you lot. I would piss on that ass clown.

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    Terrorism Fusion Center Chief Confirms Group Warned Of Vanderboegh's Novel

    Captain Bob Kolenda, director of the Kansas City Regional Terrorism Early Warning Group (KCTEW), confirmed in an interview with Media Matters that an analyst with his group warned more than a year ago of the potentially dangerous consequences of former Alabama militia leader Mike Vanderboegh's novel Absolved.

    On Tuesday, the Justice Department announced the arrests of four Georgia men who were allegedly inspired by the book to plot terror attacks against federal employees and civilians. Kolenda, a 34-year veteran of the Overland Park Police Department, responded to the arrests by saying his group's analyst "hit the nail on the head" in highlighting Vanderboegh's novel.

    Terrorism Early Warning Groups, also known as fusion centers, bring together local, state, and federal law enforcement as well as public and private organizations to share information and detect and deter terrorist threats. KCTEW has eight full-time employees, received funding from federal grants, and is supported by the Overland Park and Kansas City police departments.

    Fox News has repeatedly featured Vanderboegh as an expert on the ATF's Operation Fast and Furious in recent months, mainstreaming a former militia leader who once urged his readers to throw bricks through the windows of Democratic offices. Fox has yet to address their prior promotion of Vanderboegh in their reports on the alleged Georgia terror plot

    In Vanderboegh's novel, which was self-published online, underground militia fighters declare war on the federal government over gun control laws and same-sex marriage, leading to a second American revolution. In the introduction to Absolved, Vanderboegh calls the book "a cautionary tale for the out-of-control gun cops of the ATF" and "a combination field manual, technical manual and call to arms for my beloved gunnies of the armed citizenry." According to the Justice Department, one of the alleged domestic terrorists repeatedly cited the novel as the inspiration for their plot.

    In October 2010, an analyst for KCTEW produced a report warning that Vanderboegh's novel could inspire terrorist threats. The report detailed the book's plot, particularly its protagonists' "attacks on government facilities," highlighted Vanderboegh's history of extremism, and stated (emphasis added):

    The stories told by Vanderboegh show that many in the U.S. harbor a belief that the U.S. government is planning, or will plan, a confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens. The degree to which he glorifies the killing of law enforcement personnel involved in fictional gun raids also shows the extent many will go to spread their ideology. Vanderboegh's and other works of literature have the possibility to inspire those with extremist beliefs to carry out similar attacks depicted in the writings.

    Both the report and Kolenda stressed that possession of Vanderboegh's novel and membership in his extremist Three Percenters organization does not in and of itself indicate a propensity towards domestic terrorism. Nonetheless, Kolenda pointed out that the analyst produced the report because it was "his opinion that it could lead people to do things" of that nature.

    Kolenda said that the report had been distributed to local law enforcement so that if they came across the book during their investigations, they would be informed as to its contents and author.

    EXCLUSIVE: Terrorism Fusion Center Chief Confirms Group Warned Of Vanderboegh's Novel | Media Matters for America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deris View Post
    There are crack jobs everywhere. Hopefully we can catch them before they do any harm.
    not far to look or go to catch them... there already in the white house and congress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ the average age of the Fox News viewer is 65.
    Heh...got a link to support that claim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Deris View Post
    There are crack jobs everywhere. Hopefully we can catch them before they do any harm.
    not far to look or go to catch them... there already in the white house and congress...
    So you are in support of your teabag terrorist buddies I take it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ the average age of the Fox News viewer is 65.
    Heh...got a link to support that claim?
    We young people do not watch cable news that is something we leave to you old geezers. We get our news from other sources so as to get a broader consensus as to what is really going on. Unlike most geezers who sit in their lazy boys and get spoon fed garbage from their favorite cable news outlet.

    AllGov - News - Fox News Has Oldest TV Audience

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    “When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people have got to die.”
    Got that right!

    As Thomas Jefferson was wont to say: "In Order To Preserve Liberty, Blood Must Be Shed"

    Actual quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    “When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people have got to die.”
    Got that right!

    As Thomas Jefferson was wont to say: "In Order To Preserve Liberty, Blood Must Be Shed"
    So you are behind these geezer terrorists. Not a surprise. Best get your ass back to the US and join the fight then. Don't forget to bring your Geritol and Depends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    As Thomas Jefferson was wont to say: "In Order To Preserve Liberty, Blood Must Be Shed"
    I will be printing some flyers with this quote and distributing them among the people at OWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deris View Post
    There are crack jobs everywhere. Hopefully we can catch them before they do any harm.
    The vast majority of deadly terrorist attacks are perpetrated by muslims everywhere.

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